okay I am tired of arguing. what I am trying to get across is everyone is getting bent out of shape over nothing. The kid tries to guide you as to what he is looking for (answer like advik) and everyone blows up. Then icer says ok no PH and warblade gets mad(how about an attitude adjustment). THen gmanlax you make a comment about most kids being ignorant, but how do you know that this kid is going to be like that? maybe the kid is really trying to be the best that he can be but you think he is dumb and don't help him. As far as I know of this there isn't anything on this board that says ELITE FITNESS FOR ADULTS ONLY. I'm not trying to be a prick just hoping you see my point. PEACE