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15 year old on gear really?

Dakotah14

Dakotah14

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I know this kid from my gym well hes pretty big got some nice gains for 15 hes prob 180 5,7-5,8 low bodyfat from gessing! I talk to him a couple of times and to find out he told me hes on test and dbol is this really bad for him he told me his pct its pretty good and stuff and his dad running his blood work and watching him should i try to talk him out of it ? Or ? Idk then ill fell like a fucking hyborcit!!! Help!?
 
I'd be finding out who his father is and reporting him to DoCS for child abuse....

Even a lackwit knows 15 is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too young to start AAS
 
bulkbeef said:
too late, maybe his growth plates have fused.
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^^ This is exactly why you do NOT run AAS before your natural genetic potential and, he will probably never reach his natural potential now because of just that.
 
Dakotah14 said:
I know this kid from my gym well hes pretty big got some nice gains for 15 hes prob 180 5,7-5,8 low bodyfat from gessing! I talk to him a couple of times and to find out he told me hes on test and dbol is this really bad for him he told me his pct its pretty good and stuff and his dad running his blood work and watching him should i try to talk him out of it ? Or ? Idk then ill fell like a fucking hyborcit!!! Help!?
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Do your best to try to talk him out of using the gear, and I hate to say this but going to his parents might be an option to consider.
 
Get your phone or something and secretly record your conversation and make sure to get him to say his dad is involved, then go to his parents. But dont reveal the recording unless necessary
 
-SD- said:
Get your phone or something and secretly record your conversation and make sure to get him to say his dad is involved, then go to his parents. But dont reveal the recording unless necessary
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If you get recording done at the gym, pass it along to the Mgr/Owner of the joint, that way you can remain anonymous. Pretty sure that the Mgr/Owner wouldn't want a 15yr old on gear in his pace

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-SD- said:
Get your phone or something and secretly record your conversation and make sure to get him to say his dad is involved, then go to his parents. But dont reveal the recording unless necessary
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Careful now, in some states such as fl it is a felony to record someone without notice/consent

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nangiggles said:
Careful now, in some states such as fl it is a felony to record someone without notice/consent

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Plus it's a sneaky snitch bitch way of doing something ! What do you think your an undercover or something James Bond. Tell him the dangers he's facing talk to his father whatever makes you feel good about yourself, but be prepared to get a sound stay out if family business speech. No it's not a good thing that this parent is as ignorant as he must be but any more than talking to him and his son could be way out of line, find out what the dad really knows before making an ass out of yourself or recording someone's personal conversation without their permission.
 
If the kids dad is in on it then there ain't much your words are gonna do other then if you turn them into the authorities. All you can do is tell him its a bad idea and let him learn on his own.

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One thing we do know and that is this kids pops is not as smart as a 5th grader

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burnthiscorpse said:
Stay out of it. No one is going to listen to you anyways. No one ever listens to good advice anyways. If its a stupid kid thinking he needs AAS that's one thing. If his dad gave it to him yeah....that's not good.

I feel bad for the kid. Shit, my son is 12 and bigger than he is.
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Thats the only reason I suggested to record the convos. Since no one is going to listen/believe him anyhow.
 
my question is why are you talking to a 15 year old at all.. and also why is a 15 year old working out at your gym? any decent gym requires 18 years old minimum and no kids allowed on the floor. i would find a new gym before i worked out where there were kids running around ie. the Y

I work with kids that age as both a coach and as a judge for HS PLifting and I educate and communicate with them. there is a zero tolerance policy and if i catch any of them even discussing steroids they are off the team period
 
BLASPHEMY!!! number one his father is criminally responsible, its the same as giving ur kid cocaine , and i cant even believe this post!!! u should call the cops on this kids dad and u should slug him in the face too, thats testament to the fact that u should need a license to have a kid.....
 
Dakotah14 said:
I know this kid from my gym well hes pretty big got some nice gains for 15 hes prob 180 5,7-5,8 low bodyfat from gessing! I talk to him a couple of times and to find out he told me hes on test and dbol is this really bad for him he told me his pct its pretty good and stuff and his dad running his blood work and watching him should i try to talk him out of it ? Or ? Idk then ill fell like a fucking hyborcit!!! Help!?
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Someone gave that young man some bad advice. TOO Y0UNG,,,PERIOD!!!!
 
frankcastle29 said:
BLASPHEMY!!! number one his father is criminally responsible, its the same as giving ur kid cocaine , and i cant even believe this post!!! u should call the cops on this kids dad and u should slug him in the face too, thats testament to the fact that u should need a license to have a kid.....
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You do realize the kid could be lying.
 
The Kid could be doing it without his Father's consent and is only saying that the Old Man is helping him with his gear to avoid confrontation ... or he could be telling the truth. No way in knowing other than talking to the Dad. I would purely alert him to the dangers of what he is doing and make sure he is fully aware of the consequences. Other than that, not a thing.
 
Arabian said:
^^ This is exactly why you do NOT run AAS before your natural genetic potential and, he will probably never reach his natural potential now because of just that.
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You can't say this to be true. Arnold said in his biography that he started AAS as a young teenager, and looked what he turned out to be. Hell, who knows the kids potential. He could be the next mr. O, you never know.

Is it right? Of course not.
Is is safe? Not at all
If the son is telling the truth, the dad must be a jackass who is trying to live thru his son, and trying to make his son reach his old dreams.

I also started taking steroids as a young teenager and I reached goals inside of the gym and outside of the gym that I couldn't have been able to accomplish naturally. So I can say there are some benefits of juicing early.

I'm not condoning it at all, I'm just saying everyone has a story and a reason.

When I started juicing as a teen, was it the safest and best thing for me? Hell no
If I could redo things, would I do them differently? Absolutely NOT
 
^^^ please don't use Arnold to make a point regarding bodybuilding.. Arnold had genetics that are 1 in 100M+.. you could follow exactly what Arnold did to a tee and you would never come close to what he accomplished.

i agree with you that the dad is using his son to live through him, that happens all the time just go to any sporting event and see the nonsense in the stands. boohoo my kid isn't getting playing time, then send them to a small private school where their best player wouldn't even be the 4th stringer at a larger school. instead of pumping them with steroids.. then when they get to college they will learn how much of a waste it was when they don't even dress and are put on the scout team
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ please don't use Arnold to make a point regarding bodybuilding.. Arnold had genetics that are 1 in 100M+.. you could follow exactly what Arnold did to a tee and you would never come close to what he accomplished.

i agree with you that the dad is using his son to live through him, that happens all the time just go to any sporting event and see the nonsense in the stands. boohoo my kid isn't getting playing time, then send them to a small private school where their best player wouldn't even be the 4th stringer at a larger school. instead of pumping them with steroids
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I agree 100% with both statements you have made. I have seen it first hand.

But on the topic of Arnold, yes his genetics are AMAZING. The man still has biceps that many bodybuilders dream of having. But, without starting AAS at such an early age, there's no way he could have one mr.O at the age he won it at. Yes, he would have won it EVENTUALLY, just not that young.

There are several NFL & college players who juiced as a teen and reached goals that they couldn't naturally. If you want an example, check out Brian Cushing. Yes these guys are blessed with genetics, but so are a lot of 15 year olds across America. I personally know guys from my highschool who juiced and went D1, and they couldn't have done it without AAS.

Now, at his height of 5'8" or so, his potential is limited just because that's how things are. But if I had to guess the scenario, I would think his dad just wants him to be the biggest SOB out there and be able so say "YEAH, that's MY son" etc etc
 
^^^ I coach and judge high school powerlifting and at my school if they use steroids they are off the team period.. they can go out of zone to another high school i guess. of course we don't do steroid testing, but I do have the authority to search lockers and if i find anything that is suspicious whether they are rec drugs or AAS they are gone. the guys know this ahead of time when they join the team and i make it abundantly clear what i expect from them.

i disagree that you need steroids to reach your goals.. i was a PLer back when i was a teen.. and did very well.. won my district and got top 10 in the state. no steroids.. just hard work in the gym.

you need to START lifting young, but you do not need steroids at all.
 
stevesmi said:
^^^ I coach and judge high school powerlifting and at my school if they use steroids they are off the team period.. they can go out of zone to another high school i guess. of course we don't do steroid testing, but I do have the authority to search lockers and if i find anything that is suspicious whether they are rec drugs or AAS they are gone. the guys know this ahead of time when they join the team and i make it abundantly clear what i expect from them.

i disagree that you need steroids to reach your goals.. i was a PLer back when i was a teen.. and did very well.. won my district and got top 10 in the state. no steroids.. just hard work in the gym.

you need to START lifting young, but you do not need steroids at all.
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And I agree with you 100%. You do not need steroids to compete. Plenty of people do just as well if not better than some juicers. I agree you don't need it to reach your goals, hardwork and dedication will get you that, not a needle. It can just allow you to reach that next level that you never could reach with genetics and hard work alone.
 
If the kid is 15, see if you can find out how he is getting back and forth to the gym. If it a parent there is your window to find out if the kid is telling the truth or not. gotta be prepared to possably get some push back from the parents, but if it opens the door to help this young man out its prob worth it.
 
curls4girls said:
And I agree with you 100%. You do not need steroids to compete. Plenty of people do just as well if not better than some juicers. I agree you don't need it to reach your goals, hardwork and dedication will get you that, not a needle. It can just allow you to reach that next level that you never could reach with genetics and hard work alone.
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its all about how you feel personally about it.

I knew about steroids when i was younger.. i remember we were watching Rocky IV in class and the russian boxer was getting steroids injected and a kid was like 'no wonder he is such a great boxer he is on steroids!" I turned to him and told him "steroids didn't make him a great boxer or great athlete, you need to train your ass off and have great skills" I knew that at that age because its common fitness sense.. based on that I did not even think about using steroids, not that i could afford it anyway lol.
 
Maldiny said:
If the kid is 15, see if you can find out how he is getting back and forth to the gym. If it a parent there is your window to find out if the kid is telling the truth or not. gotta be prepared to possably get some push back from the parents, but if it opens the door to help this young man out its prob worth it.
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which begs the question where is he getting the money to buy them? thats money that should be put away for college or a first car, not steroids.. its insane if you think about it. a car gets you to and from school and work.. its a necessity for any kid living in the suburbs, that should be what he is spending his money on.
 
stevesmi said:
which begs the question where is he getting the money to buy them? thats money that should be put away for college or a first car, not steroids.. its insane if you think about it. a car gets you to and from school and work.. its a necessity for any kid living in the suburbs, that should be what he is spending his money on.
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Agreed, but most of the time youth and common sense dont go hand and hand.
 
That's horrible! You are not wrong. Jeezzz you should tell him not to do it anymore... If it's not too late.

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Dakotah14 said:
I know this kid from my gym well hes pretty big got some nice gains for 15 hes prob 180 5,7-5,8 low bodyfat from gessing! I talk to him a couple of times and to find out he told me hes on test and dbol is this really bad for him he told me his pct its pretty good and stuff and his dad running his blood work and watching him should i try to talk him out of it ? Or ? Idk then ill fell like a fucking hyborcit!!! Help!?
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I knew a few guys like that in high school. Guess what? They're all fat, short, underdeveloped, hormonal dumpster fires now.

You aren't going to talk him out of it, especially not since he's in the middle of it. Think of being a 15 year old kid, being twice the size of all your classmates, getting all the attention from the girls, and feeling like a beast in the gym all the time.

This kid is lost already. Like everyone else said, best you can do is recommend a good doctor for TRT down the road and kill his dad for him.
 
Same here man i told him dont waste his money on it and told him if he is really set on gear atleast wait till 24 and have fun with it and see how you can scalp your body
 
when their 'friends' convince them to take it is when the mistake occurs. kids that age are too reliant on what their friends do and say.. HOWEVER if you as someone who they look up to and respect talk to them (and i'm talking about you as someone who walks the walk) they will listen. however if someone is stupid you can't reason with them.. if they are intelligent you can. I say this as a HS judge and coach for weightlifting who lifts in front of these kids and they look up to .. they are well aware that I did NOT touch steroids until I was almost 30. also they are aware that I was one of the top weightlifters in the state when I was their age and it was all hard work in the gym and a lot of running to make weight
 
Well this poor kid will most likely have to synthol his chest up if he ever takes bodybuilding seriously.
 
I guess his school doesnt have weight lifting and he wants to do comps on stage but i think i got him out of it tho i think i really did gave him a little smack and told him how it is and how it really works in this world!
 
stevesmi said:
when their 'friends' convince them to take it is when the mistake occurs. kids that age are too reliant on what their friends do and say.. HOWEVER if you as someone who they look up to and respect talk to them (and i'm talking about you as someone who walks the walk) they will listen. however if someone is stupid you can't reason with them.. if they are intelligent you can. I say this as a HS judge and coach for weightlifting who lifts in front of these kids and they look up to .. they are well aware that I did NOT touch steroids until I was almost 30. also they are aware that I was one of the top weightlifters in the state when I was their age and it was all hard work in the gym and a lot of running to make weight
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You have some exceptional kids listening to you then. When I was that age, you could have shown me evidence that one push of the plunger would make me spontaneously combust and I would have brushed it off if it was something I wanted to or felt like I needed to do.

Best thing that ever happened to me was getting scammed internationally by a guy claiming to be dealing test. Saved up a bunch of money from work, sent it via Western Union and imagine that, no juice showed up. Of course I was angry at the time, I was 18, but if I could meet that guy nowadays I would give him a big fat bear hug.

Unfortunately I had to pay 300 bucks to learn my lesson. I can only hope that kids like this figure it out free :heart:
 
stevesmi said:
which begs the question where is he getting the money to buy them? thats money that should be put away for college or a first car, not steroids.. its insane if you think about it. a car gets you to and from school and work.. its a necessity for any kid living in the suburbs, that should be what he is spending his money on.
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I think he said somewhere that the kids dad was buying them for him.......if that's the case then I think this kid is a lost cause - when even the parent is condoning it there's no coming back.

Even so, the dudes I knew in high school who were juicers were the wealthy kids that would just use their parents debit cards to take out money every week and save it up to buy more AAS. Sad really on so many accounts.
 
the kids already started
hes taken the red pill
now he has to stay in wonderland and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes.
best advice to give him is to tell him to ask his dad for a phat 6 month 500mg a week tren cycle stacked with HGH and deca.
in 10 years this kid will be dead or a fkn silverback gorilla
 
ForearmzBrah1 said:
the kids already started
hes taken the red pill
now he has to stay in wonderland and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes.
best advice to give him is to tell him to ask his dad for a phat 6 month 500mg a week tren cycle stacked with HGH and deca.
in 10 years this kid will be dead or a fkn silverback gorilla
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Lmfao! Silverback gorilla? I love it

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ForearmzBrah1 said:
the kids already started
hes taken the red pill
now he has to stay in wonderland and find out how deep the rabbit hole goes.
best advice to give him is to tell him to ask his dad for a phat 6 month 500mg a week tren cycle stacked with HGH and deca.
in 10 years this kid will be dead or a fkn silverback gorilla
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LOL! That might be the best option at the point hes at!

Its like that episode of King of the Hill where Hank makes Bobby smoke an entire carton of cigarettes to get him to stop smoking :biggrin:
 
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