1 week into hst and I might call it quits...

[psychedout]

This type of training is just so damn boring.

Before I used to have tonnes of fun working out -- I was hitting everything every 5 days or so before, and I might go back to it.

Many say HST will provide gains is mass moreso than any other routine -- true or not it means nothing to me if i'm not having fun in the gym.

 

[InTraining]

I guess you are in the 15's and the light weight coupled with the slow negatives bores you?

 

[psychedout]

I guess you are in the 15's and the light weight coupled with the slow negatives bores you?

Yeah, i'm in the 15's and the slow negatives. But everything just seems boring.

Call me naive (which I may be) but I have to have fun when I train -- and this is anything but fun.

 

[InTraining]

Yeah, i'm in the 15's and the slow negatives. But everything just seems boring.

Call me naive (which I may be) but I have to have fun when I train -- and this is anything but fun.

I know what you mean...I was talking with someone else about it and they said similar things...like you are just fighting against the burn rather than powering against the weight...

 

[psychedout]

Bingo! You got it right on the head. And its not like I care about burn or pain, thats what the gym is about, but damn, so annoying.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

how long is a typical hst cycle? I dont know much about it but im sure you can get a ton of growth on another routine!! But having said that since youve made an attempt to try this out i would really try to stick it out and see your results..

 

[Dieharder]

i know people say its not right blah blah but im going by feel and making gains, hitting everything 2x a week, light or heavy, low reps, or high reps depending on how i feel that day. i still track everything and make sure im progressing, but i hate being stuck in a routine.

 

[Illuminati]

IMO if you aren't having fun, change the routine. not point in doing something in the gym that bores you, it could end up making you hate the gym. that wouldn't be good at all...

 

[casualbb]

Stick with it at least until you finish the 10's. If you're still bored by then, dump it. There's no point to working out if you're not finding it psychologically fulfilling; that's what leads to people taking very long layoffs.

HST is the best program for growth, but doesn't have a lot of "feel-appeal" and might bore guys who like to be very aggressive in the gym and enjoy frequently setting PR's.

 

[WalkingBeast]

Great thread! I agree! Personally I need to be motivated each and every training session for it to be the most effective. I go by feel alot. My training can be very instinctual. By looking in my journal you can see that the order of my exercises is never predetermined for the most part. My flat benching day and incline day are the only exceptions, but even on these days, once I finish the heavy compound movement anything goes. Main thing that matters to me is getting the work done. I can force myself to tear it up, even when I feel like shit, but I look for ways to keep the routine motivational. I used to love deadlifts, and would do them most of the day on my back days. Now that Ive torn myself up on these, Im getting pumped up about upper back work for the moment. Not as exciting, but I still get into it. Ive hit records even when I was dragging my ass, but eventually this burns me out mentally. Though I always get through it and keep KILLING that shit! Looking back, my training is alot more fun now with all the variety. I got great results off of boring 12-15 rep sets though. But now I incorporate the full spectrum of rep ranges, and concentrate on the exercises I feel most and can move a good amount of weight on. I still have plenty of those days though, but thats just part of lifting.

 

[Debaser]

Personally, I enjoy HST. Maybe it's because every time I go into the gym I see everyone else looking the same, doing their tired old routines, and think to myself, "damn, I'm making progress." To me, knowing how effective the program is, is what makes it enjoyable.

But to be honest, I've pretty much reached my size goals, so within the next year I'll probably be doing more strength and performance work.

 

[TheOak84]

if gaining 5-10 pounds in 8 weeks is boring, then i dunno whats fun

 

[view]

if gaining 5-10 pounds in 8 weeks is boring, then i dunno whats fun

ever here of 5x5 mang? you add 5 pounds a week with it.

as for this thread, i can see both sides arguement.

 

[BOOEY]

You add pounds by diet, training with intensity, and progressing. Period. Routines are just the icing.

 

[InTraining]

if gaining 5-10 pounds in 8 weeks is boring, then i dunno whats fun

Hey would you mind telling us your gains on your HST cycle? Also a rough outline of what you were eating would be really helpful..

Thanks a lot

 

[Backlash]

But to be honest, I've pretty much reached my size goals, so within the next year I'll probably be doing more strength and performance work.

Didn't you say about a year ago that when you gained some size you'd post pics? Can we see some? I've always been curious to see the man behind the screen.

(This is not a "call-out" or anything stupid like that. I'm just curious.)

 

[Debaser]

Didn't you say about a year ago that when you gained some size you'd post pics? Can we see some? I've always been curious to see the man behind the screen.

(This is not a "call-out" or anything stupid like that. I'm just curious.)

I've been very busy. I don't have a digital camera, so when I do get pics done, I'm going to get professional ones taken (like when Needsize went to a photographer). So it's a time/money situation. I'll post them for sure once they're taken, though.

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Personally, I enjoy HST. Maybe it's because every time I go into the gym I see everyone else looking the same, doing their tired old routines, and think to myself, "damn, I'm making progress." To me, knowing how effective the program is, is what makes it enjoyable.

But to be honest, I've pretty much reached my size goals, so within the next year I'll probably be doing more strength and performance work.

Debaser-
Whats going on with you??? Ive read a few of your last posts and though i may have a different opinion on some of your ideas you actually wrote informative and helpful posts instead of ridiculing poeple!!! just like this post here yuove relayed your feelings and made some good points..i actually totally agree with what you said..to me a routine is enjoyable when its helping me achieve my goal..ive never tried hst and may never but that doesnt mean its not a good routine..karma for you bro!!!

 

[Debaser]

Debaser-
Whats going on with you??? Ive read a few of your last posts and though i may have a different opinion on some of your ideas you actually wrote informative and helpful posts instead of ridiculing poeple!!! just like this post here yuove relayed your feelings and made some good points..i actually totally agree with what you said..to me a routine is enjoyable when its helping me achieve my goal..ive never tried hst and may never but that doesnt mean its not a good routine..karma for you bro!!!

Shut the fuck up, retard.

Just kidding

Usually I post in a nice matter, every once in awhile I get caught in a bad mood though, and I turn really cynical.

 

[halfaclue]

But to be honest, I've pretty much reached my size goalsQUOTE]

I didn't think this was possible...ever time I hit another milestone I want to get bigger. I'm addicted.

 

[Debaser]

I understand what you mean. However, style is one of my interests and once you get past a certain size it's hard not to look silly, IMO. Call me GQ if you want, lol.

 

[halfaclue]

I understand what you mean. However, style is one of my interests and once you get past a certain size it's hard not to look silly, IMO. Call me GQ if you want, lol.

Gotcha..that makes sense...nothing wrong with that. I'm ugly so size is all i got.....tear...sniffle

 

[casualbb]

I understand what you mean. However, style is one of my interests and once you get past a certain size it's hard not to look silly, IMO. Call me GQ if you want, lol.

Ditto on that. I think given that I'm 5'11" with a very small frame, 180-190 is probably my optimal weight for how I want to look.

You know, turning heads because of "damn he's beautiful" not "egads what a freak"

 

[Tom Treutlein]

Good thread. I agree that you need to have fun, though I'm like Debaser in that how effective a routine proves to be determines my level of enjoyment.

Anyways, I'd like to see some pics too, Debaser. I remember hearing you talk about how you added 40 lbs. of LBM and stayed the same or lost some BF with DC training your first year or some such.

Half, I know how that is. You always say you'll be fine at some size, and when you reach it, you crave more. I don't think I'll be like that forever though, because getting too large just doesn't appeal to me. It's more about shape and proportion to me. Being a monster doesn't interest me that much.

Hey Debaser, since you don't have pics by the by, why not post up some stats? Measurements and all.

View, Oak meant 5-10 lbs. of weight, muscle, body mass. Not weight on the bar.

 

[InTraining]

Hehe...am I the only one here with bigorexia? I don't think I will be satisfied until I am 230-240 at 10% BF...I'm only 5' 9" though

 

[Tom Treutlein]

6' here, looking to be ideally 210 at around 10-12%. Nothing huge. By that point I'm going to be more concerned with strength and fighting technique. I'm not in it for bodybuilding.

 

[halfaclue]

Hehe...am I the only one here with bigorexia? I don't think I will be satisfied until I am 230-240 at 10% BF...I'm only 5' 9" though

I've got your back...In 97 when I stopped rowing in college (crew team) I was 6' and 179lbs...my goal was to lift and get to 200 because that would be perfect. Then I was 200 and I thoiught 6' 225 would be solid so then i got to 225 and I thought amybe 235 would fill out the arms a little better..then 250, 260 and febuary i hit 271 for my heaviest weight ever...was definitely a fat ass but also strong like a mule. Now I am 250lbs and my bf is higher then I'd like 15+ but I am also holding the same weight for 3 months now and my body is use to it and very comfortable. this winter will bring 275!

 

[InTraining]

I've got your back...In 97 when I stopped rowing in college (crew team) I was 6' and 179lbs...my goal was to lift and get to 200 because that would be perfect. Then I was 200 and I thoiught 6' 225 would be solid so then i got to 225 and I thought amybe 235 would fill out the arms a little better..then 250, 260 and febuary i hit 271 for my heaviest weight ever...was definitely a fat ass but also strong like a mule. Now I am 250lbs and my bf is higher then I'd like 15+ but I am also holding the same weight for 3 months now and my body is use to it and very comfortable. this winter will bring 275!

My pet peeve is the eating...I just get so sick of it...but I force the food down nonetheless...I can't imagine how much you have to eat to even maintain at 250-275lbs

I'm hanging in here around 210-215 at 13-14% BF..not cutting anytime soon

I thought when I got over 200 I would be HUGE....nope....if anything the bigorexia just gets WORSE

 

[halfaclue]

My pet peeve is the eating...I just get so sick of it...but I force the food down nonetheless...I can't imagine how much you have to eat to even maintain at 250-275lbs

I'm hanging in here around 210-215 at 13-14% BF..not cutting anytime soon

I thought when I got over 200 I would be HUGE....nope....if anything the bigorexia just gets WORSE

i agree it does get worse and it gets exspensive for buying meat and fish. What helps me with eating is I do not eat much for variety and many people think I'm a freak at work. I can eat grilled chciken with cajun seasoning ( i know high in sodioum) 7 meals a week. I can eat tuna or salmon or tapia day after day after day. So buy family packs of bonelss chicken and will grill 14 breasts all at once and have them finsihed in 5 days.

 

[InTraining]

i agree it does get worse and it gets exspensive for buying meat and fish. What helps me with eating is I do not eat much for variety and many people think I'm a freak at work. I can eat grilled chciken with cajun seasoning ( i know high in sodioum) 7 meals a week. I can eat tuna or salmon or tapia day after day after day. So buy family packs of bonelss chicken and will grill 14 breasts all at once and have them finsihed in 5 days.

That is what I do with the chicken...but not in those amounts lol

I find the Foreman grill to be helpful...I don't really care about taste and chicken can come out pretty good if it is marinated beforehand...

These days I will just eat tuna out of the can...maybe put some tabasco on it

I read that Dorian Yates simply could not handle tuna...so he boiled it and blended it with coke...sounds...yummy

 

[wnt2bBeast]

Hehe...am I the only one here with bigorexia? I don't think I will be satisfied until I am 230-240 at 10% BF...I'm only 5' 9" though

nope i gots it too...im looking for more like 250+ at 10%..im thinking 2 years to hit my goal..hey everyone has their won ideas of what the perfect physique is..nothing worng with that

 

[halfaclue]

That is what I do with the chicken...but not in those amounts lol

I find the Foreman grill to be helpful...I don't really care about taste and chicken can come out pretty good if it is marinated beforehand...

These days I will just eat tuna out of the can...maybe put some tabasco on it

I read that Dorian Yates simply could not handle tuna...so he boiled it and blended it with coke...sounds...yummy

I am a foreman abuser...I have that bigger one that you can grill 6 breasts on at a time...I use more then my outdoor grill

 

[Griz1]

ever here of 5x5 mang? you add 5 pounds a week with it.

Wow! 5lbs a week! That's interesting. What are you eating? Cement?

 

[Backlash]

It definitely gets worse intraining! I have been tall and skinny my whole life. I was stuck at about 165 for years, and I thought if I just got to 190 I would be so much bigger. Then I got there and I don't really seem much bigger to myself, even though I'm 30 pounds bigger. Next goal is 210 at same bodyfat... eventually 230 or more could be in my future

 

[BOOEY]

I think once your satisfied with your physique, you'll lose a lot of the motivation .. always shoot higher!!

 

[TheOak84]

Hey would you mind telling us your gains on your HST cycle? Also a rough outline of what you were eating would be really helpful..

Thanks a lot

i gained 8 pounds in 8 weeks, i ate the same, no special diet.

diet does give u gains, but i know people who eat like bbers and are either fat or weak as fuck with no muscle tone. and i know guys who are huge and strong and eat like shit. genetics, remember...

i did 1-2 sets per muscle a day a total of 8 sets in a week, about. 3 second negavtives. i think the rouitne was:

squats 2 sets
hamstring curl 1 set
calf raise 3 sets - lagging
bench press 1 set
incline 1 set
military 1 set - already enough delt work
bb row 2 sets
reardelt 1 set
shrug 1 set
over head ext 1 set
press down 1 set
bb curl 1 set
machine curl 1 set

yes ive heard of 5x5, i used to do that when i was a freshman, made good gains. but its not the only thing. think about it, u have a good 60 years left of lifitng, whats 8 weeks to try a routine, u wont lose anything. youll only gain.

 

[Dieharder]

currently 6'2 220lbs, prob 13% and dropping, wanna get down to 7-8% and maintain that