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Demon_throne

Demon_throne

Chairman of Board
Chairman Member
Platinum
EF Logger
It has been brought to my attention that some members are trying to demand free samples.
We see this as wrong

If this has happened to you please reach out so any high ranking member (chairman of the board and up ) on the forum and the mod team will be notified.

We here on EF want to build a positive community where all feel welcome.

Suggested people to reach out to
@the_alcatraz
@Allupfromhere
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@koba
@Demon_throne
@MUSTANG_18
@abolone

We all currently share a group chat where we do talk about ways we want to do better for our community here.

Over the past month the activity level here on EF has risen a lot and we expect it to keep on rising especially with EVO's Q2 about to drop.

Thank you for your time ~demon
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Great post, ive recently touched base with the bros, Inregards to this.

Thanks for posting a thread.
 
Demon_throne said:
It has been brought to my attention that some members are trying to demand free samples.
We see this as wrong

If this has happened to you please reach out so any high ranking member (chairman of the board and up ) on the forum and the mod team will be notified.

We here on EF want to build a positive community where all feel welcome.

Suggested people to reach out to
@the_alcatraz
@Allupfromhere
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@koba
@Demon_throne
@MUSTANG_18

We all currently share a group chat where we do talk about ways we want to do better for our community here.

Over the past month the activity level here on EF has risen a lot and we expect it to keep on rising especially with EVO's Q2 about to drop.

Thank you for your time ~demon
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Well said @Demon_throne 👊
 
Demon_throne said:
And of course this man himself. 🖤🖤

I knew I was forgetting a name 🤦‍♂️ guess that's what happens when your doing a few tings at once
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❤️❤️
Thread locked.🔒
 
Demon_throne said:
It has been brought to my attention that some members are trying to demand free samples.
We see this as wrong

If this has happened to you please reach out so any high ranking member (chairman of the board and up ) on the forum and the mod team will be notified.

We here on EF want to build a positive community where all feel welcome.

Suggested people to reach out to
@the_alcatraz
@Allupfromhere
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@koba
@Demon_throne
@MUSTANG_18
@abolone

We all currently share a group chat where we do talk about ways we want to do better for our community here.

Over the past month the activity level here on EF has risen a lot and we expect it to keep on rising especially with EVO's Q2 about to drop.

Thank you for your time ~demon
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to be straight are you not the guy that was asking for samples?
 
Demon_throne said:
It has been brought to my attention that some members are trying to demand free samples.
We see this as wrong

If this has happened to you please reach out so any high ranking member (chairman of the board and up ) on the forum and the mod team will be notified.

We here on EF want to build a positive community where all feel welcome.

Suggested people to reach out to
@the_alcatraz
@Allupfromhere
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@koba
@Demon_throne
@MUSTANG_18
@abolone

We all currently share a group chat where we do talk about ways we want to do better for our community here.

Over the past month the activity level here on EF has risen a lot and we expect it to keep on rising especially with EVO's Q2 about to drop.

Thank you for your time ~demon
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Mate wasn’t it brought to your attention because you are the leading member of doing this to vendors? You’ve easily put vendors out $1000’s in commitments you have not fulfilled.

@ApexLabs_
@War Born Peptides
And
@Unitedau

Have all fallen victim to you taking their products and not fulfilling what was asked.

You should be the furthest thing from a moderator on the this forum and any forum.
@the_alcatraz
 
MorefreeT said:
Mate wasn’t it brought to your attention because you are the leading member of doing this to vendors? You’ve easily put vendors out $1000’s in commitments you have not fulfilled.

@ApexLabs_
@War Born Peptides
And
@Unitedau

Have all fallen victim to you taking their products and not fulfilling what was asked.

You should be the furthest thing from a moderator on the this forum and any forum.
@the_alcatraz
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MorefreeT said:
Mate wasn’t it brought to your attention because you are the leading member of doing this to vendors? You’ve easily put vendors out $1000’s in commitments you have not fulfilled.

@ApexLabs_
@War Born Peptides
And
@Unitedau

Have all fallen victim to you taking their products and not fulfilling what was asked.

You should be the furthest thing from a moderator on the this forum and any forum.
@the_alcatraz
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For someone who's a "Trusted Brother" & "EVO VIP" titled member over on Evolutionary,
Aswell as a "Platinum" & "Chairman" titled member over here on EliteFitness,

Not sure someone in his current situation should be anything of the sort,
Let alone an "aspiring" moderator..

I'd say the community has seen plenty enough reason as to why not these last few days..
 
MorefreeT said:
Mate wasn’t it brought to your attention because you are the leading member of doing this to vendors? You’ve easily put vendors out $1000’s in commitments you have not fulfilled.

@ApexLabs_
@War Born Peptides
And
@Unitedau

Have all fallen victim to you taking their products and not fulfilling what was asked.

You should be the furthest thing from a moderator on the this forum and any forum.
@the_alcatraz
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For me it wasn’t about the money. It was the countless hours I spent on threema having endless hours worth of conversations, supporting, guiding and just being there not as a vendor but treated as a friend. I was taken away from my family, my loved ones in the hope of just being a good person and supporting him. I can’t buy that time back with my family. It’s priceless and for all that vested time to be forgotten, scrapped and countless rumours about me is the pettiest and lowest any human being can be.

I confronted him on threema to possibly talk it through but he scrapped me and ignored me, gutless act.

Anyone that was/is a logger knows me well enough that I don’t through products at them and let them run solo. I treat them like family.❤️
 
MorefreeT said:
Mate wasn’t it brought to your attention because you are the leading member of doing this to vendors? You’ve easily put vendors out $1000’s in commitments you have not fulfilled.

@ApexLabs_
@War Born Peptides
And
@Unitedau

Have all fallen victim to you taking their products and not fulfilling what was asked.

You should be the furthest thing from a moderator on the this forum and any forum.
@the_alcatraz
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@MUSTANG_18 @the_alcatraz @Allupfromhere @abolone
 
An individual who acts in this manner, runs between forums/vendors and advertises things using his FORUM NAME on his personal instagram account with the same name doesn’t deserve a shred of credibility or authority.
He can’t take the heat wherever he goes and I’m glad the parasite behaviour is getting called out.
To make matters worse, a deserving bloke missed out on a logger spot to give this guy a sponsorship.
 
ApexLabs_ said:
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First screenshot: He asked me to send peptides so he could log them.

Second screenshot: He later made an excuse, saying he couldn’t log them for me and instead offered to either send the items back or do a review once he was able to use them.

Third screenshot: Another vendor reached out to me about the same situation. That’s when I realised he had set me up just to get free products.
 
ApexLabs_ said:
First screenshot: He asked me to send peptides so he could log them.

Second screenshot: He later made an excuse, saying he couldn’t log them for me and instead offered to either send the items back or do a review once he was able to use them.

Third screenshot: Another vendor reached out to me about the same situation. That’s when I realised he had set me up just to get free products.
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We both know, for opsec reasons we can’t have items returned back to us. He also knows you won’t ask for it back.😉

The game was played well, I’m sorry for your loss.

As vendors we can only learn from these coward acts and unite to avoid these issues.

I’ve been in the talks with other vendors in the background and as much as we are competitors we still manage to brainstorm and discuss these circumstances not as vendors but as concerned members of the community.
 
Stannns said:
That is disgusting. I’m sorry brother @ApexLabs_ you’ve suffered such a big loss this early on your EF journey.
Rest assured not all loggers here are like this brother
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Appreciate that bro, it definitely caught me off guard. Just one of those unlucky moments I guess. Still gonna keep pushing forward though can’t let one setback ruin the whole journey. Good to know there are solid people like you around here.
 
Unitedau said:
We both know, for opsec reasons we can’t have items returned back to us. He also knows you won’t ask for it back.😉

The game was played well, I’m sorry for your loss.

As vendors we can only learn from these coward acts and unite to avoid these issues.

I’ve been in the talks with other vendors in the background and as much as we are competitors we still manage to brainstorm and discuss these circumstances not as vendors but as concerned members of the community.
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Yeah, you’re right no way to recover it without creating bigger risks and he definitely knew that going in.

It is what it is. Can’t even be mad at the play just gotta tighten things up on my end and keep moving smarter. Situations like this just remind you how important it is to stay sharp.

Respect to you and the others for actually talking things through behind the scenes though. Competition aside, having that level of awareness and communication makes a difference for everyone involved.
 
Definitely not the way new vendors should be treated
I encouraged Apex to launch on Elite fitness rather than evo
Not the start i was hoping he would get glad to see he is pushing forward
Ill leave this in the hands of the mod team
 
ApexLabs_ said:
Yeah, you’re right no way to recover it without creating bigger risks and he definitely knew that going in.

It is what it is. Can’t even be mad at the play just gotta tighten things up on my end and keep moving smarter. Situations like this just remind you how important it is to stay sharp.

Respect to you and the others for actually talking things through behind the scenes though. Competition aside, having that level of awareness and communication makes a difference for everyone involved.
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The rightful thing for him to do as any gentleman would is to at least fix you up the cost of all the GH.

He uses Ronnie Coleman doses anyways so it’s not like it’s going to waste. 😉
 
The following is from an EVO thread where I am clearing the air about how we parted ways.



Demon_throne said:
Sponsor 1, our relationship ended because I enquired about switching up the package arrangement because one item "Klow" was no longer something I was wanting to use or run.
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EVO Fam!


I am sponsor 1 mentioned above. I have been happy to sit back on the sidelines and try hold my tongue.

Until you start telling fibs about how and why I ended it all. You are making me out to look asif I am unreasonable or unapproachable as a sponsor. I have 16 people on Team War Born currently who I treat like family. We frequently discuss, switch and swap care packages surrounding their goals.

Our agreement didn't end over a negotiation over a vial of KLOW.
There was countless things which built upto me ending our sponsor/logger relationship.

Our initial agreed care package was:
150 IU HGH, 1 x MOTSC 40mg, 1 x KLOW 80mg and 1 x 20mL BAC Water per month.
We agreed we were both happy with that and it was going to last a month easy. The idea was to run this set up for a few months on repeat.

Within 2 weeks of entering our agreed care package you told me that your coach has said your MOTSC is to be taken everyday so you will need two MOTSC 40mg vials a month instead of one. I complied and went along with it thinking it wouldn't get worse. Being a new vendor I was desperate for loggers to not be suspended so bent to this demand.

You then started discussions of going from 5IU HGH a day to 10IU soon. I was a fresh vendor starting out. Having 3 loggers on HGH was expensive enough. Then when your talking about 10IU it was shocking. I shut that down straight away however it left a lasting impression.

Our communications which I felt were private eventually found their way to the forums. You would speak openly about upcoming product releases I had in mind or had on the way which I had only spoke with my loggers about. I would just chat with my loggers about these types of things to get them excited about the future etc.

You had stirred up our Team War Born group chat and started to openly question me about changing members care packages around and the stuff they were on. As a leader of a small team I don't need people coming for me on my decisions. Every logger I sign, I have an agreement with about products they are running and the duration they run them. Completely fair and transparent with everyone. I shut down this talk immediately but it also left an impression.

The final straw which broke the camels back came a few days after I had just sent out your final care package. You messaged on Threema at 3am. I was feeding my child a bottle and was tired AF. You wanted to switch and swap your $1000 a month care package around only 1 month into our agreement. I just was fed up with everything and said we are parting ways.

I have loggers who get Reta and GHKCU and they are so happy to be signed. You were never happy no matter how much you got given for free.

When we parted ways you stated publicly on your log that you would finish the month (20+ days left) logging on the generous care package I sent but within a week you had signed with United and were boasting about your care package from him.

I have treated all of this as a huge learning lesson in my vendor journey.
 
Prymal said:
Be interesting to consolidate some time/date stamps on these requests for products 🤔

@Southern Cross Labs
@ApexLabs_
@Unitedau
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Yeah exactly.. because if those time stamps match up then its black and white the intentions were clear from the beginning and this was no chance of this being an honest mistake.

Time will tell and put this all to bed.
 
The one thing he did honestly by me, I offer 15% off store wide for my loggers for any extra requirements. He was purchasing extra GH with this option.

Other thing he did since he’s a hypocrite and started this thread, first care package he asked for aromasin. Not once did he mention or use it.second time round he suggests swapping out the aromasin for caber and I told him for the above reason I’m not supplying product if it’s sitting in the cupboard for a rainy day. If it’s not logged he has to pay. So he got the shits, he paid for the caber. Then I see the ironclad post and bragging about the full kit of Nad from SCL. Hypocrite says no conflict of interest!

I’m generous but don’t try take advantage of me cause I’m not shy to confront.

So that’s the tight ass freebies experience I had with him.
 
War Born Peptides said:
The following is from an EVO thread where I am clearing the air about how we parted ways.





EVO Fam!


I am sponsor 1 mentioned above. I have been happy to sit back on the sidelines and try hold my tongue.

Until you start telling fibs about how and why I ended it all. You are making me out to look asif I am unreasonable or unapproachable as a sponsor. I have 16 people on Team War Born currently who I treat like family. We frequently discuss, switch and swap care packages surrounding their goals.

Our agreement didn't end over a negotiation over a vial of KLOW.
There was countless things which built upto me ending our sponsor/logger relationship.

Our initial agreed care package was:
150 IU HGH, 1 x MOTSC 40mg, 1 x KLOW 80mg and 1 x 20mL BAC Water per month.
We agreed we were both happy with that and it was going to last a month easy. The idea was to run this set up for a few months on repeat.

Within 2 weeks of entering our agreed care package you told me that your coach has said your MOTSC is to be taken everyday so you will need two MOTSC 40mg vials a month instead of one. I complied and went along with it thinking it wouldn't get worse. Being a new vendor I was desperate for loggers to not be suspended so bent to this demand.

You then started discussions of going from 5IU HGH a day to 10IU soon. I was a fresh vendor starting out. Having 3 loggers on HGH was expensive enough. Then when your talking about 10IU it was shocking. I shut that down straight away however it left a lasting impression.

Our communications which I felt were private eventually found their way to the forums. You would speak openly about upcoming product releases I had in mind or had on the way which I had only spoke with my loggers about. I would just chat with my loggers about these types of things to get them excited about the future etc.

You had stirred up our Team War Born group chat and started to openly question me about changing members care packages around and the stuff they were on. As a leader of a small team I don't need people coming for me on my decisions. Every logger I sign, I have an agreement with about products they are running and the duration they run them. Completely fair and transparent with everyone. I shut down this talk immediately but it also left an impression.

The final straw which broke the camels back came a few days after I had just sent out your final care package. You messaged on Threema at 3am. I was feeding my child a bottle and was tired AF. You wanted to switch and swap your $1000 a month care package around only 1 month into our agreement. I just was fed up with everything and said we are parting ways.

I have loggers who get Reta and GHKCU and they are so happy to be signed. You were never happy no matter how much you got given for free.

When we parted ways you stated publicly on your log that you would finish the month (20+ days left) logging on the generous care package I sent but within a week you had signed with United and were boasting about your care package from him.

I have treated all of this as a huge learning lesson in my vendor journey.
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Afternoon EF.

A few of my customers have alerted me kindly to this conversation.

I was unaware of the history here. And I am obviously the "newest" sponsor in this list.

I sent Demon a few days ago:
- 300iu GH
- 30mg Reta
- Lantus

This conversation has certainly made me uncomfortable and I am reviewing the situation. I like any vendor - do not appreciate "sponsor hopping" - and in a situation where it seems all vendors have given generously too.

Appreciate everyones transparency here.
 
Red flags everywhere, fuck I dodged a bullet. Knew something wasn't adding up. If any vendors want to get together to check the dates/times , happy to share.

No time for moochers.

Got some pretty conflicting messages on my end too , some I can share, others were messaged in confidence.

How's the nerve to start a thread like this though!
 
He had the decency to go on evo and say my DSIP is bunk cause he’s used up to 1200mcg. Anyone with half a brain would tell you that using copious amounts of aas, 50 mitochondria assisted products and whatever else he’s using, not even Xanax or oxys would put you to sleep.

Doesn’t even understand the main concept of using DSIP.

He clearly suggested so many mitochondria supplements was causing him stress and had to rest off them recently but no,United’s DSIP was bunk. I saved a vial from that batch purposely waiting for ED to return to get it tested. If Ed doesn’t return I will send it to jano.

I made a very informative post in relation to DSIP and EPITHALON, I admired it’s not for everyone and even for me (someone who gets good sleep) had to go above 600mcg to see the benefits. Not every peptide is a miracle and results vary from user to user.
 
Unitedau said:
He had the decency to go on evo and say my DSIP is bunk cause he’s used up to 1200mcg. Anyone with half a brain would tell you that using copious amounts of aas, 50 mitochondria assisted products and whatever else he’s using, not even Xanax or oxys would put you to sleep.

Doesn’t even understand the main concept of using DSIP.

He clearly suggested so many mitochondria supplements was causing him stress and had to rest off them recently but no,United’s DSIP was bunk. I saved a vial from that batch purposely waiting for ED to return to get it tested. If Ed doesn’t return I will send it to jano.

I made a very informative post in relation to DSIP and EPITHALON, I admired it’s not for everyone and even for me (someone who gets good sleep) had to go above 600mcg to see the benefits. Not every peptide is a miracle and results vary from user to user.
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Did you see the stack his "coach" put together ?

Pretty sure they want to run every peptide in existence and see what happens as a science experiment😂
 
Allupfromhere said:
And @Trumpy has entered the chat lol
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Honestly though, the private messages on display, I had no idea some people make such requests.

If it isn’t offered, I don’t ask for it.

A sponsorship is fine, outlining PED goals is fine, accepting what is offered in light of that is fine, but demanding thousands per month is insane if you’re not a highly competitive BBer. Even worse if you bail on the vendor.

This is very disappointing, but it’s also an opportunity for the community to rally behind the vendors and establish an expected etiquette.

The blunt entitlement and abuse of generosity on display here is unacceptable, and clearly so given the overwhelming backlash.

I have no stake in this forum or the associated vendors, and my word doesn’t count for shit over this side, but I have my own expectations for the Aussie community.

I think somebody is trying to put on shoes several sizes too large.
 
IronHQ said:
Afternoon EF.

A few of my customers have alerted me kindly to this conversation.

I was unaware of the history here. And I am obviously the "newest" sponsor in this list.

I sent Demon a few days ago:
- 300iu GH
- 30mg Reta
- Lantus

This conversation has certainly made me uncomfortable and I am reviewing the situation. I like any vendor - do not appreciate "sponsor hopping" - and in a situation where it seems all vendors have given generously too.

Appreciate everyones transparency here.
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And funny he just got full kit of GH a couple of days ago by Apex and he suddenly "needs" more GH from you 🤔
 
Prymal said:
Red flags everywhere, fuck I dodged a bullet. Knew something wasn't adding up. If any vendors want to get together to check the dates/times , happy to share.

No time for moochers.

Got some pretty conflicting messages on my end too , some I can share, others were messaged in confidence.

How's the nerve to start a thread like this though!
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I laid it out straight from the start, I ain’t providing a 2k a month habit. Prove me your track record and any international level pursuit in bodybuilding and I’m all for it but I said at the time I had @Ohdamn @Fmos and @Pound2749 happily with their care package and it wouldn’t be fair handing him double the amount. Fairness and transparency means everything to me.

So we agreed on a reasonable care package which would be about the same value as my other loggers and anything beyond would be paid at a 15% discount. I think that’s fair.

A good friend of mine I support just cleaned up and won overalls at his state, intention was international show but with current situations with travelling he had to retract. Would have done well. He was using total under 1g aas, 4iu GH and no peptides. Very old school mentality and the right guidance from his coach. For me, this is someone I want to support, going places and knowing he’s not building a body with drugs. @Demon_throne knows exactly who I’m talking about.

In the nicest way possible, anyone telling me they’re using 10iu GH and well above 1g AAS and not including the rest, my suggestion is bodybuilding is not for you, genetically speaking but most cases the strategy needs changing and more thought process needs to be put in place. That’s means starting from scratch again.
 
Trumpy said:
Honestly though, the private messages on display, I had no idea some people make such requests.

If it isn’t offered, I don’t ask for it.

A sponsorship is fine, outlining PED goals is fine, accepting what is offered in light of that is fine, but demanding thousands per month is insane if you’re not a highly competitive BBer. Even worse if you bail on the vendor.

This is very disappointing, but it’s also an opportunity for the community to rally behind the vendors and establish an expected etiquette.

The blunt entitlement and abuse of generosity on display here is unacceptable, and clearly so given the overwhelming backlash.

I have no stake in this forum or the associated vendors, and my word doesn’t count for shit over this side, but I have my own expectations for the Aussie community.

I think somebody is trying to put on shoes several sizes too large.
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You want me to tell you what’s disappointing?

A sponsored athlete with a supplements company, their lucky to get a bucket of protein a month, some samples and worst part they pull the strings. They need you for photo shoots, standing at booths all day and not getting paid for it. Theirs no prize money in Australia, they get a trophy and that’s it. If you don’t have followers on social media then sponsors won’t even look at you. I’ve been through it all.

Here we are as vendors pouring thousands of dollars monthly to support their requirements and honestly what do you think we gain? Logging is a requirement for the forum, don’t get me wrong it’s got its benefits and gives validity for the vendor but financially it doesn’t gain sales. Any vendor will tell you most sales are made outside of forums, anything within forums is a bonus. Very few of us vendors love supporting loggers for the right intention to get them somewhere just like any other sports athlete. But when you got people like this ruining it for everyone else it’s disappointing.
 
Mr-cable said:
I'm with the same coach as demon and can say with 100% certainty none of that is driven by Gainsman
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Jimmy0187 said:
I know his coach, he’s never one to push ridiculous numbers and always airs on the side of caution. He’s a bad representation of that team
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I'm with the same coach and all I can say is the cycle planned for my cut phase isn't crazy doses. The steroids he recommends is 500 mg test e and 200 mg eq and the Hgh 3-4 iu.
OwEv751 said:
Gainsman is a legit coach on UGLOZ. He's trained a shit tonne of stage ready BBers. There's no way he'd recommend pushing 10IU.
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Demon_throne said:
Over the past month the activity level here on EF has risen a lot
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Screw the last month.. This thread has been the most activity on EF EVER

Congrats @Demon_throne. Doing well here as Chairman to boost EF! :p
 
I know this directly doesn’t involve asylum , but by god this read has left a sour taste in my mouth . The red flags showing here are insane .

We have extremely close relations with a lot of fellow labs and vendors who have been clearly affected by this . Glad we havnt but it’s truely not acceptable by any means to be putting out a notice about people asking for hand outs when that person clearly is .

Us along with a lot of vendors here can agree our time is precious and we work with our customer bases massively to ensure they are looked after and loyalty goes along way .

The products mean nothing at the end of the day it’s about relations and the community we build . But to show clear disregard to the effort and work that these vendors have put into their products is disgusting .

Again not directly impacted but just putting my 2 cents worth in
 
Ohdamn said:
I'm with the same coach and all I can say is the cycle planned for my cut phase isn't crazy doses. The steroids he recommends is 500 mg test e and 200 mg eq and the Hgh 3-4 iu.
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I know he got the shits cause his coach said something along the lines of 150-200mg eq a week, he wasn’t happy with it abd suggested it wasn’t enough
 
SBD said:
Anyone who thinks Gainsman would have someone the size of @Demon_throne running 10 IU clearly has never spoken to him
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Trust me I could tell from conversations it couldn’t be the coach. Be good though to get him on board to clear his name too cause who know where else he’s mentioned these crazy doses and coach name and automatically the listener would think it’s coach at fault when it’s not.

I think you’re the third person to validate the coaches positive credentials. Good team players.👍🏻
 
Probably selling all those peptides to buy meth, Fkn junkie. lol demon been a flop from the start. I bet many people been waiting for this downfall. Scumbag
 

Health phase- blast

Morning guys figured I would dip my toes in over here and start a log, I'll be keeping things short simple and sweet. As life has many engagements. Starting point for the health phase as my cut winds down, then rolling into a reverse to a growth phase... I am working with a coach and chances...
aus-sf.org aus-sf.org

If anyone would like to go leave him a message,
Looks like he was alright to type up into another forum,

To try continue the scam.
 
I’ve got the same coach he’s big on health first, not pushing dangerous numbers.

When I started with him I was running some pretty silly doses, and he actually pulled everything back. I’ve been getting way better results since and feel better.

I dont believe for a second what he was running was what coach set out for him
 
Prymal said:
Did you see the stack his "coach" put together ?

Pretty sure they want to run every peptide in existence and see what happens as a science experiment😂
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Definitely not me bro
He's clearly just ignoring everything I'm saying and doing his own thing if that's the case
I would never recommend these doses being talked about
I've always tried to talk him down from what he was wanting to do
I'm so sorry this has happened to you all
 
CookieBaah said:

Health phase- blast

Morning guys figured I would dip my toes in over here and start a log, I'll be keeping things short simple and sweet. As life has many engagements. Starting point for the health phase as my cut winds down, then rolling into a reverse to a growth phase... I am working with a coach and chances...
aus-sf.org aus-sf.org

If anyone would like to go leave him a message,
Looks like he was alright to type up into another forum,

To try continue the scam.
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Been caught out here now trying to scam some other vendors on there😂
 
Gains Man said:
Definitely not me bro
He's clearly just ignoring everything I'm saying and doing his own thing if that's the case
I would never recommend these doses being talked about
I've always tried to talk him down from what he was wanting to do
I'm so sorry this has happened to you all
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Brother your well earned reputation far exceeds the personal choices of a single client. Not a single member aware of who your are and what your stand for would for one second attach your coaching to these kinds of choices. 🙏
 
War Born Peptides said:
The following is from an EVO thread where I am clearing the air about how we parted ways.





EVO Fam!


I am sponsor 1 mentioned above. I have been happy to sit back on the sidelines and try hold my tongue.

Until you start telling fibs about how and why I ended it all. You are making me out to look asif I am unreasonable or unapproachable as a sponsor. I have 16 people on Team War Born currently who I treat like family. We frequently discuss, switch and swap care packages surrounding their goals.

Our agreement didn't end over a negotiation over a vial of KLOW.
There was countless things which built upto me ending our sponsor/logger relationship.

Our initial agreed care package was:
150 IU HGH, 1 x MOTSC 40mg, 1 x KLOW 80mg and 1 x 20mL BAC Water per month.
We agreed we were both happy with that and it was going to last a month easy. The idea was to run this set up for a few months on repeat.

Within 2 weeks of entering our agreed care package you told me that your coach has said your MOTSC is to be taken everyday so you will need two MOTSC 40mg vials a month instead of one. I complied and went along with it thinking it wouldn't get worse. Being a new vendor I was desperate for loggers to not be suspended so bent to this demand.

You then started discussions of going from 5IU HGH a day to 10IU soon. I was a fresh vendor starting out. Having 3 loggers on HGH was expensive enough. Then when your talking about 10IU it was shocking. I shut that down straight away however it left a lasting impression.

Our communications which I felt were private eventually found their way to the forums. You would speak openly about upcoming product releases I had in mind or had on the way which I had only spoke with my loggers about. I would just chat with my loggers about these types of things to get them excited about the future etc.

You had stirred up our Team War Born group chat and started to openly question me about changing members care packages around and the stuff they were on. As a leader of a small team I don't need people coming for me on my decisions. Every logger I sign, I have an agreement with about products they are running and the duration they run them. Completely fair and transparent with everyone. I shut down this talk immediately but it also left an impression.

The final straw which broke the camels back came a few days after I had just sent out your final care package. You messaged on Threema at 3am. I was feeding my child a bottle and was tired AF. You wanted to switch and swap your $1000 a month care package around only 1 month into our agreement. I just was fed up with everything and said we are parting ways.

I have loggers who get Reta and GHKCU and they are so happy to be signed. You were never happy no matter how much you got given for free.

When we parted ways you stated publicly on your log that you would finish the month (20+ days left) logging on the generous care package I sent but within a week you had signed with United and were boasting about your care package from him.

I have treated all of this as a huge learning lesson in my vendor journey.
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Thats a shit position to be put in bro. Sounds like you were very generous and this bloke was just take take take.
 
Gains Man said:
Definitely not me bro
He's clearly just ignoring everything I'm saying and doing his own thing if that's the case
I would never recommend these doses being talked about
I've always tried to talk him down from what he was wanting to do
I'm so sorry this has happened to you all
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Not one person thought you were tailoring his PEDs brother. I thought it was disrespectful as fuck to have a coach and have the write ups he was doing, undermining you.
 
Allupfromhere said:
Brother your well earned reputation far exceeds the personal choices of a single client. Not a single member aware of who your are and what your stand for would for one second attach your coaching to these kinds of choices. 🙏
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Thanks brother that means a lot ❤
Still feel horrible for all these vendors
I had no idea all this was going on until a bunch of people sent me the link to this thread today suggesting I clear my name
 
Presk said:
Not one person thought you were tailoring his PEDs brother. I thought it was disrespectful as fuck to have a coach and have the write ups he was doing, undermining you.
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I agree brother
I've tried so hard to convince him more is not better and to tone things down even when he was suggesting what he wanted to run
 
Gains Man said:
Definitely not me bro
He's clearly just ignoring everything I'm saying and doing his own thing if that's the case
I would never recommend these doses being talked about
I've always tried to talk him down from what he was wanting to do
I'm so sorry this has happened to you all
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Appreciate you reaching out. No person particularly someone with your profession should have his credibility taken away from him. Readers only see one side of the story and in sine cases it’s believable. You got a good team behind you coming here and backing you up and shutting down all these false claims
 
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