What are the Cons of Blast and Cruise?

[ibigboy]

It seems like it just makes more sense to blast and cruise if you know you are going to be using AAS for a while..

Personally, I know it would cost the same if rather than investing my money into PCT and supps I bought a 250mg weekly dose of Test E.

So what are the cons? because ultimately it seems not only better, but also cheaper to stay on all the time

 

[caribeman]

I would just say keep getting blood test every so often (some do it ever 3 months other every 6), blood pressure and any other issues which may come up.

 

[joshag]

I imagine there would also be a recovery issue after being shut down for so long.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Your chances or fully recovering become less and less.

These days, with stuff like BRIDGE, GEAR and UNLEASHED, there's no reason for a young man to go on low dose cruising cycles.

 

[pip88]

pros:

retain more mucle gains,
no yo yo effect on the hpta
feel good all year round

cons
difficulty recovring HPTA the longer your on
heart issues and many muktiple cardio vascular problems associated with continuous AAS use and large muscle mass
high chances of blood clots
faster male pattern baldening if your prone
tolerance to AAS (takes higher doses to acheieve results,
possible shortening of your life span (depending n how far you take blasting and cruising)
highr rate of possible inury due to to high testerone levels effects on tendons and joints
low immunity to diseases and virus to to multiple AAS suppressing the immune system

these are only a few cons

theres nothing healthy about blasting and cruising

although i do blast and cruise, so in th end of the ay you need to weigh up your ambitions and desires with risk and consequences on your decisions

Atleast half your cons arnt true or havent been proved.

 

[pip88]

do you ever think theyll do studies into blasting and cruising? with guys cruising on 300-500mg test eekly and blasting with 1-2grams of AAS

lets be realistic, we can all say they havent been proven in studies, but weve all seen countless times people suffering from these issues due to AAS use

denying it coz there isnt a study to prove it in my opinion is foolish

I didnt say anything about a study I said it hasnt been proved. You assuming a study is doctors taking a few men and telling them to blast and cruise and then documenting the results. This is not the only definition of a study.

A study can also mean a group of doctors finding men who blast and cruise and then documenting there health. This is also a study by definition. Maybe I should be more specific on your points.

 

[pip88]

thts understandable

but a controled study would be more viable

taking a sample of guys who just blast and cruise most would not value or hold due to the multiple factors of there lifestyles, aswell as genetics and other substances

i think i did find one sudy showing over 90% of AAS users had used a recretional drug, and over 50% remain to use them

im just pointing out we are unlikly to ever find a valuable study on a topic like this

this is an associated problem with many substances, take MDMA for example

scientists still havent been able to prove it causes any long term health issues to the heart and brain becoz MDMA users are also comman users of other multiple substances and drugs, aswell as drastic variations in lifestyles

even though MDMA users have reported memory loss, depression, learning difficulties, perceptin and cognitive issues and heart issues

all im saying is a thing like blasting and cruising is unlikely to ever have valuable studies associated with it

i mean lets face it, most people who blast and cruise use multiple drugs and substances so this makes pointing the finger at AAS diffiult

True there are to many outside variables to go off with the studies that are out since many arnt only taking aas. My conclusions go off medical journals and research on administration and then I compensate for possible overdosing and side effects.

Being in school for medicine allows me access to a lot of research many people will never find.

My finding is this. Aas "USE" and "ABUSE" are completely different things. For the average gym guy thats blast ans cruises they should be fine as long as they dont over do things and take the necessary precautions. If you stay on for more than a year I would say that is over doing it. Lets not forget these are pharmaceutical drugs that arnt the easiest to just overdose and hurt your self on like meth or cocaine.

I can post up some studies done when I get back to school off break that explains things in great detail. But the gist is blasting and cruising isnt terrible and worst case scenarios are not incredibly common.

 

[pip88]

completely agree

however the OP did ask for the pros and cons

everything ive listed are possibilities, obvious some likely, others unlikey

, as you suggested it all depends on how far you take blasting and cruising and how much AAS your going to use
but there are alot who once they start to blast and cruise, o decide to use alot of AAS i mean after all those who choose to blast and cruise are usually the ambitious who desire a huge physique

we could argue that AAS arent the direct cause of health issues, but maybe the body size, muscle mass and physique they can allow individuals to achiebe that harms there health

True I just sometimes forget we have to state every possible thing since some people lack common sense and might overdose thinking more is better.

 

[marcu_s]

so whats is a "healthy way" of blasting and cruising for u guys?

 

[forcd]

pro = you dont come off aas


con = you dont come off aas

 

[EZ_E]

Bloke; interesting point about building a tolerance

Nelson; +1



~EZ

 

[thelocal]

i say look at some bodybuldiers..look at stalone heres been jucing since he was 30 and hes in grat shape..then look at arnold..heart attack

 

[binö]

blasting and cruising cant really be argued to be healthy at all

i mean e cant really argue using super psyiological doses of hormones can be healthy, despite any protocol we may try to invent

however there are SAFE ways to blast and cruise

1. not using doses that cause you alot of side effects, e.g if 2-3 weeks through ru cycle ur getting massive headaches, blood pressure issues, cholestrol problems and ur hairs starting to fall out this is a clear sign your doses are to high or ur using the wrong gear

remeber just becoz somone else can use 1-2 grams of anabolics safely without side effects doesnt mean you can

2. use comman sense, if your getting to a size where your struggling to do a light jog, or start pouring in seat walking up stairs and heart rate goes through the roof then it might be a early sign your wearing your body out pretty fast

3. setting the lowest possible cruise dose,

e.g i hear guys who are still gaining during there cruises of 300mg test cyp, if your gaining during a cruise this generaly means your cruise dose is to high since your bodys still responding very well to the high levels of hormones in your body, a cruise is meant to be a mainaince phase and more relaxed phase

4. know wen your big enough

if yur 5'9 tall, 7 or 6%bf and 240 pounds then dont fool urself that this is a healthy weight, your body was not designed to support this kind of muscle mass, try imagine just how much blood and energy that kind of muscle mass requires? and how hard your heart has to work in order to support that kind of muscle mass

i could list endless rules, but none of them are set in stone coz everyone is different


in the end of the day it comes down to comman logic and listening to ur body

i know this sounds a little broad, but once u begin a blasting and crusing protocol you will quickly become aware of what ur body can and cant handle safely, and realise what im talking about

there was a memeber on this forum not long ago who use to blast and cruise, did it for about 2 years and ran up to almost 3 grams of anabolics a week during his blasts

he ended up needing to go on HRT and stop his blasting and cruising since he was starting to face heart complications, and was forced to do this by his hear specialist at the time

you can also look into a documentary of a a bodybuilder niknamed BIG KIWI who suffers from megarexia,

its a doco about a bodybuilder who is inevidably going to die in a few years becoz his heart is failing from all the steroids and substances he used i order to achieve his massive muscular frame in which is heart can no longer support

wat makes that doco sad is the guy still continues to take steroids and try to get bigger despite the fact hes dieing

like i said, its all about using comman sense and knowing wen enough is enough

http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/his-wish-...-video-3837608
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here is that docu, anyone who claims roids aren't addictive hasn't done them or is in denial.
not saying that holds true for everyone, cause it doesn't...but i don't no many folks who just do one cycle.

 

[skaman007]

use dermacrine instead of aas on your cruise for 8-10 weeks

 

[Like_a_Weed]

I'm concidering going with something like this:

Finishing up a 16 week cycle of sustanon (d-Bol/beastdrol kick finishing w/6 weeks winny)

Then going 125mg p/week test enanthate for 4-5 months then another cycle.

After about a month at my "cruise" dosage I will be adding 50mg p/day t-Bol for a month to prep for a strength competition, but back down to just 125 p/week enanthate after that.

After my fall cycle I will concider a standard pct and going off or possibly just going back to cruise.

I'm 34, 6'2" 230, 12% bf, will cut to 220-225 post cycle and aiming for 225 at 10%.

I will be using hcg on and off throughout.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Bridge and peptides are nice for a cruise

 

[Nelson Montana]

There most certainly is a tolerance, but it has nothing to do with getting big. It seems the guys who stay on are the ones who never grow past a certain point. And let's be real -- there are health risks -- unless you do HRT dosages, but why the fuck would you want to replace 700 mgs of natural test for 800 mgs of something you have to depend on. And after a cerain point you'll need more and more just to get back to 700 -- which you already had. And then, you're stuck for life. It really makes no sense.

 

[thelocal]

i disagree nelson

 

[Nelson Montana]

i disagree nelson

FIne, but facts are facts.

 

[thelocal]

i agree facts are facts im not saying its the best idea..but its not the worse idea..just as many bad negative post they are out there they have just as much medical scientific proof that trt is good and healthy..its just what u chose to belive

 

[Like_a_Weed]

It seems the biggest guys are the ones that stay on. I dont think pro bodybuilders go off. I doubt they are ordering bridge and unleashed for in between cycles. Not knocking either product, I have both in my cupboard, but theres no way the guys that go off are getting bigger than the guys that stay on. Health risks maybe, but 125mg a week is probably not going to cause a heart attack. I actually concider going 250 a week during my cruise, figure that way I'm still gaining even "off". Theres not nearly enough facts on any of this. Alot more experts than facts Id be willing to bet. Nelson you're a guy who sells pct products so it's debatable as to whether your opinion is biased or not, no offense, but almost every time you are in a thread you are pushing a product. I would much sooner trust someones opinion who has nothing to gain or lose either way.

Is 250 p/week the standard cruise dose? Seems 125 would be more of a maintenance and 250 would still be pretty enhanced. I would like to get the true facts on permanent shutdown. What does the science, if there is any say about staying on for a year or two or even more, then trying to recover.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

How well someone is able to recovery off roids is as variable as anything.

My opinion on blasting and cruising is that if you do it responsibly you'll "probably" be just fine. I don't mean fine as in you'll be able to recover your hpta after a long time on, but fine as in not suffer any serious health issues because of it. If you plan on blasting and cruising then you should realize that basically you are planning to shut down your own test production permanently. If you want to build your body up to a point that is clearly enhanced and maintain that 24/7 then you have to realize that you are basically on an anabolic hrt program for life.

If this is not what you want then you need to seriously think about this.

I have been on for almost 5 months now and plan to come off in another month or 2. In the past I have been on as long as 5 months so this is a new max for me.

That said I came off np last time using just nolva, clomid and some dermacrine or sustain alpha, can't remember which.

The thing is that I don't use much. I have been using around 375-500mg of sustanon a week. Just last week I injected 750mg of sust to see if I would notice any nip issues since I am not using an ai and haven't noticed anything.

I weigh 245lbs at 5'8.5", but honestly my bodyfat is pretty high. That said I have put on a good 50lbs in the past 10 months using nothing more than this amount and I am currently 3lbs lighter and seem to be losing weight now while getting stronger since the calories I currently consume are no longer enough to support excessive weight gain in the form of bodyfat.

I think moderation is the key. That and trying to eat reasonably healthy, doing some cardio even if it's just taking moderate pace walks for 45mins to an hour a couple times a week and using some basic healthy supplements like fish oil, vitamins/minerals etc.

Every one's idea of moderation is different and it also depends on you. For me I could see myself blasting at maybe 1gram sustanon a week tops and cruising on 250mg-375mg sust. For someone else the amounts might be higher or lower.

Pay attention to your body. There are quite a few guys that are in their late 50's and 60's that look awesome and have been on hrt for a long time and are bar none healthier than most people.

I mean your average person doesn't even eat 1 piece of fruit a day let alone vigorously exercise multiple times a week. You really think that person will be healthier than a guy that is using moderate amounts of roids and treats his body well?

Granted, if your goal is to be seriously huge and cut at the same time to a point FAR beyond what you would naturally be capable of despite how well you treat your body then you could develop issues most probably being too much strain on the heart.

 

[Like_a_Weed]

It's not really my idea because I got it from someone else, maybe it's dumb but I think it would be alot dumber to just do it and not to ask, hence my asking on here. 250 a week seems like more the norm. It would be so much easier if there was more facts cuz there's no shortage of experts or people that'll call your plans dumb. Plenty of people would say to use aas at all is dumb, which it probably is. It just seems to me if you are planning on doing more than one cycle fairly close together it would be alot easier on your body and more productive to just go to a low dose in between, and skip the ups and downs of pct, and not have to spend a good portion of your next cycle gaining back what you lost during and after pct. For me I felt like shit before using test, low sex drive, depressed, bad temper, and have been alot happier and have alot happier marriage since going on. I am admittedly afraid of going back to that or worse.