general advice

[maximus_11]

Allo everyone,just after some advice for a course i'm planning on starting in the new year. Two years ago I done a 9 week course consisiting of:
weeks 1-9,1ml of tren ace and 1 ml of masteron every mon,wed,fri
weeks 4-9, 4 x clen everyday (morning before breakfast)
weeks 7-9,1ml winstrol depot,mon,weds,fri. 2x tamoxifen ED, 2x proviron ED.
I got very good results from this, however, i'm just wondering if theres a way of getting similar results in 6weeks by adding or changing anything in the mix.
I'm currently 170cm,78kg,11.5% BF. have been training for 6yrs and have done quite a few courses in that time, so not worried about anything not agreeing with me.
I want a lean,hard,dry look.
Every bit of input will be appreciated.
Will post some pics of my previous form and once i start will post pics along the way. Cheers

 

[shibs]

age? idk what your foreign shit means. try doing your own research. for whatever the f you want. then we will tweak whatever cycle fits your needs. and do it well. sorry for the bluntness.. i'm drunk.

 

[HarryHarry]

age? idk what your foreign shit means. try doing your own research. for whatever the f you want. then we will tweak whatever cycle fits your needs. and do it well. sorry for the bluntness.. i'm drunk.

lol great advice. I think when you need to end the post with "sorry im drunk" you shoudnt bother clicking sumbit. Anways...

You could always lower the doeses and stick to the same compounds if you liked them. IMO the last cycle was far too big and im glad you only did it 9 weeks.

You do however eed to do more research. If your goals are lean dry hard muscle then search for compounds with these properties. Anavar, winstrol, primo, EQ, masteron. compounds like this are great starters. Then add in some test accordingly to help keep you up. 2-3 compounds max for me. No point going crazy. Lower the dose and run it a tad longer 10-12 weeks. Slow and steady wins the race. Do your research before you jump into another one and youl see what I mean.

Harry

 

[zedhed]

Gr8 post harry. OP this is the best advice youre gonna get^^^. I second making the cycle a little bit longer and keeping more of what you build. I do have to say that was one hell of a first cycle for you bro. Would you mind stating your expereince on that, like sides etc?
Best of luck to you bro.

 

[maximus_11]

that wasnt my first cycle,i had done some test e and deca previous a couple times to that and was after something to rip up for a holiday,i got my gear from a bodybuilder at my gym,i told the results i was after and he sold me the stuff. i know of 2 other people that have dne the same course with wicked results too!!!
as for sides, i didnt realise a drop in sex drive or problems in that area,no other tell tale signs either,my temper did get very short however and once it was over i kept the gains and leanness,hardness a good 8weeks,after which i was still very lean just not as solid looking,maintained bodyweight pretty well too.
i've researched all of the drugs i'm interetsed in using and have used before,thats why i'm asking you lot who know alot more than i do for some pointers. as i've read with tren ace and masteron ,its best to inject EOD so if i was doing 1ml of each 3x per week,how do i lower the dose?only do .5ml at a time or???
i also done the same course as on first post but instead of mast i used eq, this was before i started looking a bit more into it and was doing whatever the bloke who had been training and using gear for umpteen years told me.
thanks anyway to harry harry and zedhed

 

[maximus_11]

forgot to say,i'm 26

 

[zedhed]

Ok for us that dont do English numerics
26yrs old
5.57 Ft tall
171.9 Lbs

 

[HarryHarry]

Keep it simple. I think your over complicating things just because you think the more you add the more youl see. Not always the case.

For your goals why not keep it simple and go with a simple test base and primo? If you feel the need to add another compound to the mix then I would go for something like winstrol or anavar. These are not needed tho. The only problem with primo is price. If you dont want to shell out for it then go with tren again. You should know tren by now so if you can cope with the sides then that choice is yours.

Your current stats arent all that different from mine and I too look for lean hard dry gains. In the summer I hope to run this cycle...

Week 1-15 Test @ 400mg / week
Week 1-14 Primo @ 600mg / week
Week 11-15 Beastrol @ 30mg / day

A simple enough PCT will have me recoverd so no need for scary harsh compounds. Il help you with this too if you like. I hope to hit 186lbs and drop to 6% BF or below.

Just my thoughts.

Harry

 

[sony190]

i agree with harry slow and steady, evertime i pushed the envelope i had to battle sides, best cycle and best reults i ever had was 16 weeks moderate dose test prop primo and masteron roughly 400 mgs per week each.... no sides great gains was 200 pounds 8% in like 4 months.......

 

[sony190]

however i will never touch Tren again doesnt even compare to Primo imo you get what you pay for bro........

 

[Ezekiel]

Keep it simple. I think your over complicating things just because you think the more you add the more youl see. Not always the case.

For your goals why not keep it simple and go with a simple test base and primo? If you feel the need to add another compound to the mix then I would go for something like winstrol or anavar. These are not needed tho. The only problem with primo is price. If you dont want to shell out for it then go with tren again. You should know tren by now so if you can cope with the sides then that choice is yours.

Your current stats arent all that different from mine and I too look for lean hard dry gains. In the summer I hope to run this cycle...

Week 1-15 Test @ 400mg / week
Week 1-14 Primo @ 600mg / week
Week 11-15 Beastrol @ 30mg / day

A simple enough PCT will have me recoverd so no need for scary harsh compounds. Il help you with this too if you like. I hope to hit 186lbs and drop to 6% BF or below.

Just my thoughts.

Harry

1 gm a wk of gear for this person might be a bit ambitious..He seems rather new to the whole thing..

One you go large on a cycle, there's no going back to a small one...

Just my 2 cents...

That being said I am currently running:

500 test e
600 EQ
400 Mast

But, I'm 240 and etc etc etc...

The real question here is: does he want to get harder or bigger... he might need to do a bulker to gain some muscle then do a cutter after...?

 

[HarryHarry]

1 gm a wk of gear for this person might be a bit ambitious..He seems rather new to the whole thing..

One you go large on a cycle, there's no going back to a small one...

Just my 2 cents...

That being said I am currently running:

500 test e
600 EQ
400 Mast

But, I'm 240 and etc etc etc...

The real question here is: does he want to get harder or bigger... he might need to do a bulker to gain some muscle then do a cutter after...?

1g sounds alot I agree but with primo I think its fine. 1g primo vs his last tren mast and winny cycle is nothing. Both test and primo doses are moderate and the beastdrol was just optional as I will be adding it myself.

The advice on adding in another bulker there before he starts to cut depends completly on the target weight gain of the OP. Anthing under 10lbs and I dont think you need another bulker. But if hes looking to hit 200 or closer then your probably correct.

Harry

 

[zedhed]

I think that both of the cycles that have been laid out are excellent and very pratcicle. I think the OP will see excellent results from either one and should not have much if any issues. Good job guyz!

 

[HarryHarry]

Tnx zedhead!

Harry

 

[zedhed]

 

[Ezekiel]

1g sounds alot I agree but with primo I think its fine. 1g primo vs his last tren mast and winny cycle is nothing. Both test and primo doses are moderate and the beastdrol was just optional as I will be adding it myself.

The advice on adding in another bulker there before he starts to cut depends completly on the target weight gain of the OP. Anthing under 10lbs and I dont think you need another bulker. But if hes looking to hit 200 or closer then your probably correct.

Harry

Don't misunderstand me brother. I think the primo would be great!!

I just don't know enough about this persons experience to offer the best advice.

10 lbs of keepable muscle on any cycle is a win!!

Like I always say: "slow and steady wins the race".


Blessings,

 

[zedhed]

^^Wisdom ^^

 

[maximus_11]

cheers everyone,my target weight is 80kg/177lbs and i'd be happy with approx 7%bf,because i'm quite short i dont want to start looking silly big.
i'm very keen to do the course that harry noted,however the primo is very expensive and the fact of the matter is i'm now in australia on a years working visa and the gear over here is priced ridiculously so am looking to buy some sachets from abroad and get them through in the mail.
the test prop and tren is best for me i think in terms of availability and price.so in your opinions if i ran these for 12weeks eod that'd be best,obviously i'd have to add some anti eostrogens as my nipples start playing up on test,so would tamoxifen or proviron be best and at what doses? i've only ever taken them 2 at a time when i have.
hcg is hard to come by over here too so clomid will have to be the solution for pct

 

[Ezekiel]

cheers everyone,my target weight is 80kg/177lbs and i'd be happy with approx 7%bf,because i'm quite short i dont want to start looking silly big.
i'm very keen to do the course that harry noted,however the primo is very expensive and the fact of the matter is i'm now in australia on a years working visa and the gear over here is priced ridiculously so am looking to buy some sachets from abroad and get them through in the mail.
the test prop and tren is best for me i think in terms of availability and price.so in your opinions if i ran these for 12weeks eod that'd be best,obviously i'd have to add some anti eostrogens as my nipples start playing up on test,so would tamoxifen or proviron be best and at what doses? i've only ever taken them 2 at a time when i have.
hcg is hard to come by over here too so clomid will have to be the solution for pct

So if I understand you correctly you want to gain about 6-7 lbs of muscle and drop 3-4% in body fat. Does this sound right?

Ok well this sounds very do able, as long as your diet is dialed in and your pct is top notch!

Please read the PCT sticky at the top of the forum. Most of that stuff I believe could be sent to Australia. I would go w/ the proviron or better yet imho would be adex for anit-e while on cycle. Although, that's really a ford / chevy thing

Do the test for 2 wks. past the tren. Or skip the tren all together and just take 500mg of test a wk. and maybe finish w/ some wini for the last 4 wks if you can get it.

Diet and PCT will be the two most important things to achieving your goals on this cycle.

Good Luck and blessings,

 

[HarryHarry]

So if I understand you correctly you want to gain about 6-7 lbs of muscle and drop 3-4% in body fat. Does this sound right?

Ok well this sounds very do able, as long as your diet is dialed in and your pct is top notch!

Please read the PCT sticky at the top of the forum. Most of that stuff I believe could be sent to Australia. I would go w/ the proviron or better yet imho would be adex for anit-e while on cycle. Although, that's really a ford / chevy thing

Do the test for 2 wks. past the tren. Or skip the tren all together and just take 500mg of test a wk. and maybe finish w/ some wini for the last 4 wks if you can get it.

Diet and PCT will be the two most important things to achieving your goals on this cycle.

Good Luck and blessings,

Pretty much spot on. Adex for me peronsaly but both work so find out for yourself what you prefer.

Like Ezekiel says your goals are very do able and you may not even need something like tren. You could easily add a good 8lbs from test alone in 12 weeks at a low dose and then all it comes down to is diet.

Diet decides BF more than anything else so this would be key to hit your 7% goal. A nice clean bulk until you hit your weight then drop the calories. How much calories and how long you cut depends on when you hit your goal.

If your gonna do 12 weeks then a 6 week clean bulker to start the cycle followed by a last 6 weeks slow cut or maintance would be perfect. Add the winstrol in the last 6 weeks to help preserve the muscle but also add in that amazing chizzled dry look it gives.

Harry

 

[maximus_11]

wicked stuff,although it'd probably work out that i want to add slighly more than 6-7lbs as i want to be that much heavier than i am now but less fat with it,prob 10 lbs would be nearer,but i'm gonna go with it and see what i end up with. i think i will add some winny for the last 6weeks as i rate it very highly. my diet is very clean anyway,i only drink alcohol maybe 2nights at most every 3 weeks.
as for the pct sticky i cant see what or where that is...?
the prop i can get is 100mg/ml so should i do a 2ml,2ml,1ml shot a week?
thanks again

 

[Ezekiel]

wicked stuff,although it'd probably work out that i want to add slighly more than 6-7lbs as i want to be that much heavier than i am now but less fat with it,prob 10 lbs would be nearer,but i'm gonna go with it and see what i end up with. i think i will add some winny for the last 6weeks as i rate it very highly. my diet is very clean anyway,i only drink alcohol maybe 2nights at most every 3 weeks.
as for the pct sticky i cant see what or where that is...?
the prop i can get is 100mg/ml so should i do a 2ml,2ml,1ml shot a week?
thanks again

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/very-best-pct-2010-right-here-712121.html