PCT.... Theres alot of info out there...

[Ezekiel]

Ok here it goes. Im about to start my first cycle. I have taken just test before but didnt do research and only did 5 weeks, 500 for first 2 weeks 750 for next two and 500 last week and saw good gains but didnt do research...
I am 6'3" 285 about 17% bf i am 20 but have trained intensly since 9th grade and in a college football program for 3 years now going into my final year now. (pls no negative comments)
I will be taking test e 250 in a pyramid like cycle For 10 weeks. My dosages will be 1-2-2-2-3-3-3-2-1-1
I will be jump starting the cycle with Dbol 25 for the first 4 weeks which will carry me to the bulk of my cycle in week 5-6-7.

I have plenty of protein, amino acids, vitamins that i use religously. My food intake is well over enough.

IF THERES ANYTHING I NEED TO ADD LET ME KNOW!!!!

What do you think my gains should be. How much should i keep of those gains?

HERE IS THE PART THAT I CANT FIGURE OUT!!!!
what is the best route as far as pct Ive heard great things about forma stanzol but is that all i need? Do i take it during the cycle? after? how long?

E blocker?

PLEASE HELP ASAP

OK I don't like to call ppl out but....

You say you're 20, but you're going into your 4th year of college? Hmm....

20 is too young!

2nd: As someone already pointed out pyramid cycles are old school.

You need to do some more research my friend, and read the PCT sticky that Nelson put together at the top of the forum.

Sorry m8, not trying to be a dick, but you don't seem ready. Plus I have concerns about your real age...

 

[nbfb52]

Concerns about my real age? im currently a true junior... going into my last year of eligibility....sorry M8 but i feel before you call someone out for lying about age think about something.... graduate high school at 18... end of freshman year turn 19... end of sohmore year turn 20.... end of junior year turn 21.... but anyways.
thats why i post it on the forum to get replys from ppl that know more than i know. I am your but I have researched alot of stuff and trained at a collegeite level for 3 years now and with college trainers since 10th grade...but there are so many things ppl say work and trying to figure out the best method.
and the pyramiding is said to be one of the most popular ways according to Gerard Thorne's book Anabolic Primer....
with that said... ive decided to go with a strait dosage, 500/week mon thursday for 10 weeks.... still using the jumpstarter Dbol 30 for the first 4 weeks... forma stanzol for any sides(gyno ect.) and clomid at the end for 4 weeks a week after the last shot.

sorry for some of the babbling i just hate asking for help and some ppl not answering questions just picking at the questions that ppl ask on a FREAKING FORUM.............

 

[SouthernLord]

You need more research. Don't start until you're fully prepared.

 

[nbfb52]

southernlord... i appreciate that post for real. i understand the age thing... i really wish i had time to wait till i am 24 but by that time it will probably be to late... everyone that has came and talked to me has said i have every aspect to play at the next level somehow but.... im about 20 lbs from the size they need me at... its a meat market.... and i dont want to pass up the oppertunity...
On the hcg there are a tond of brands i have found... what is the hcg actually for?

 

[jcb_phlps]

Southernlord wasnt telling you to wait another 3-5 years he was telling you to do a little more research before your cycle. Man not everyones trying to burn you its called constructive criticism and the HCG is to keep your balls out of atrophy(well try). They will shrink and go dormant thats what the HCG is for to prevent this. Forma stanzol is a good product very underated by most but you will also need to get your hands on some other AI incase you get gyno just to have on hand. Again no one is trying to piss you off but in the same sense your gonna hate yourself if within the next year or so your undergoing surgery to remove bitch tits because you wouldnt listen to us. Proper PCT will also help you keep your gains that you so desperately need to compete also. Anyways man just some advice from one first timer to another I've done alot of research and reading and studying of AAS. Then these bros on here cleared up all the other BS for me man just listen to them.

 

[nbfb52]

I know man ... trust me im listenin it just seems like the majority of the guys on here have bashed questions thats ive asked... thats why im asking questions bc alot of the research that i have found are so contradictory to one another...dont know what to believe... thats why im trying to get most of my info off here so i can get real ppls answers and testimonies...
ive already got clomid in my hand and forma stanzol on the way... from my understanding i can get a typical hcg from the drug store so im looking into that... my test e and dbol is coming in tomorow morning and checkin on deca right now ... just want to get everything at hand before i start.
and i thank everyone who is helping trust me its going to pay off...

 

[SouthernLord]

Don't use deca. It's not very first time user friendly.

Stick with the test and dbol.

500mg test pinned twice a week 1ml/250mg per injection 1-10
25-30mg dbol 1-4/5
250iu hcg twice a week 2-10
Aromasin 12.5mg eod 1-10 or forma as directed.

Start your pct 7-10 days after your last injection. 50mg clomid ed for four weeks. Continue with the forma as directed. Maybe even half dose it. Add a natty test booster for your libido. I prefer hcgenerate.

This is a very generic cycle outline. Still continue to explore the site and read everything you can. I'm throwing you a weeks plat so take advantage of the plat search.

Good luck.

 

[tical]

Good idea to get EVERYTHING on hand before you start anything. Also, I would seriously considering avoiding deca / nandrolones as they are very suppressive.

I don't think you can get HCG from the drug store unless you've got a prescription. My stance on HCG is that it should be used on cycle at low doses 2-3 times per week.

About PCT, there are several ways to approach it. Some prefer to avoid SERMs like nolva/clomid because of terrible sides and respond well to other products. Others prefer SERM therapy alone and have no sides. Others like to combine the two. It's hard to say what is best because this all depends on YOUR response to the compounds. This is only something you'll learn from research and actual experience.

 

[Nelson Montana]

No need for a pryamid. pick a dosage and stick with it. Nolvadex 20/20/20/20 seems to be the norm for pct these days. I always throw in some clomid as well. Get some adex and letro on hand in case estro related sides show up. As far as gains that is all up to you. It all depends on your diet, training, and how far along you are on your natural potential.

You're behind the times bro. Almost no one uses nolva anymore unless they have gyno and there's no reason to get gyno with what we have available today. The use of Nolva was discovered by Dan Duchain and even he said it sucked. And that was back in 1999.

Clomid works for some, but is horrible for others and unnecessary IMO. Read the PCT for 2010 sticky.

 

[nbfb52]

ok so i read the sticky.
so ive put together that i need to take hcgenerate for weeks 2-10 while on the cycle...
would something like tbomb 2 work in place of unleashed since tbomb is a natural test booster that reduces estrogen
and finish up my pct with forma stanzol ?
what you think