Blood Test ZRT - 9mo post cycle

[stevesmi]

deca can mess up your HPTA for a long time ,so its not unusual for certain subjects to experience what you are going they,remember nandrolone like Deca and compounds like fina can linger in the body up to 18 months, but theres good news, the same thing happened to me ,except i was in my late 40's, it was almost a year before i recovered ,and yes my PCT was spot on, actually I ran several different types of PCT,none helped, beware of taking too much HCG or you will be in a bigger mess than you are now.the best thing is let the body recover slowly ,personally i wouldn't worry about all those blood test as it won't make a difference, what you could do to help some is take HCGenerate a low dosage for a long peroid of time so several bottles will be required, this is the best thing at the moment ,don't complicate thing by adding more compounds thinking more is better ,because its not, eventually you will recover 4 caps a day of HCGenerate should speed things up ,but its not going to happen over night.so relax because stress will just delay the inevitable .

Peace
RADAR

and I am slowly recovering also after deca. its been 5 months for me. and I ran an excellent PCT, and even a 2nd PCT.. I'm being patient. its scary to have low test levels but I will say the gains I made are worth taking a long time to recover. I am a new person thanks to deca.

thanks for that re-assuring post.

 

[RADAR]

I forgot to mention also ,keep your training going this is most important in helping your HPTA get back on track.

 

[mikevegas]

Hey Army Vet what do you use for anti-E when running the HCG on and off cycle? Must need something at 1000 twice per week, yeah?

 

[needtogetarmy]

Hey Army Vet what do you use for anti-E when running the HCG on and off cycle? Must need something at 1000 twice per week, yeah?

Anastrozole, 1 mg M & Th.

I do not run that much during cycle. Only 250 to 500ius while on. I am running 500ius M & Th this cycle since I am running test and deca. I increase it to 1000iu for the two weeks after my last shot.

As for elevated estrogen I cannot get gyno because I have had surgery. I sometimes do not take the Anastrozole.

 

[cgar1228]

Every one of us will react differently to these substances. The 4 times you ran 600ius may not have been enough. 500ius ED for 10 days may not have been long enough, and too much over the time period. Based on what I have read, and talking to my HRT docs, they recommend 1000ius twice a week. One said not to use more than 2000ius a week.


Based on everything you have written, 600ius the first time around was most likely not enough. The second time, maybe 10 days was not enough. I no longer see the ED protocols used due to desensitizing issues so I do not recommend taking it ED.

I do not react well to nolva, and maybe that is an issue for you regarding the second PCT.

I would run 1000ius M & Th for three weeks. 5 days following the HCG start clomid. The sides can be a pain for some people but clomid does wonders for me. Run 50mg of clomid for 4 weeks. DO NOT overlap the clomid and HCG.

Some supplements I use are ZMA, DAA, and Vit D. Also, try hitting a tanning bed or if you are in a warm location, spend some time outside and catch some rays. That can assist in test production.

Another drug you can add is dostinex. This will assist with prolactin. Your results showed your prolactin was already low but I have seen people dun dostinex with extra PCTs after tren and deca cycles and it helps with the libido. Dostinex can be run .5mg twice a week for the entire length of your PCT overlapping the HCG and clomid.

Also, an alternative to clomid is toremifene. I have not personally used this but some guys swear by it.

I am currently running 400mg test and 200mg of deca. My PCT will be 1000ius of HCG M & Th for two weeks (I always run 250-500ius M & Th during cycle taking one week off in the middle of the cycle) and 5 days after my last HCG shot I start the clomid at 50mg for 3-4 weeks depending on how I feel.

ON a final note, do not go crazy with the HCG. Your body can become desensitized to it. As long as you stick to no more than 1000ius a shot and use it twice a week you should be fine. While running it during a cycle, always take a week off in the middle. ALWAYS run HCG during a cycle because it helps recovery and ALWAYS use dostinex when running tren or deca.

Hopefully some others will chime in on this one. Radar is at the top of his game.

This is great advise by somebody who definitely seems to know what they are talking about. I have been on ZMA for a while and it helps me sleep but isn't doing much for my Test levels as far as I can tell. I have some clomid and all the things I would need to do another type of PCT but i'm just waiting to take it all in and make a decision about what I will do. Thanks bro!!

 

[cgar1228]

Are you currently running an AI?

No I am not running an AI currently but if you look at my bloods you will see every time that my estrogen is below the range to i'm not sure an AI is needed do you?

 

[cgar1228]

I took at look at your other thread. A few comments (not meant to offend):



1. Your original PCT was questionable. The products used (other than HCG) all appeared to be what's "in" now and hyped on the boards. You didn't use a real SERM (clomid / nolva) to stimulate the release of LH from your pituitary.

Stick with what there are actual medical studies on that you can google yourself.

2. Your use of HCG was incorrect. You don't want to use HCG post cycle. All it does is mimic LH to increase testosterone, potentially aiding in HPTA suppression. You want the testosterone increase during PCT to come from actual LH.

3. 4 weeks is not long enough for a PCT. You want your HPTA to recover fully. The idea is to get your T and LH towards the top of the range, and stay there for several months. Then slowly wean off of the SERM and allow your HPTA to take control. This takes time.

I prefer clomid but whether you're using clomid or nolvadex, do a blood test a few weeks in to see how your LH/FSH/T levels are responding. If they're not high enough, raise the dosage and then test again.

Do not prematurely end PCT. Stick with it until all is said and done.

If that doesn't help you recover, you may want to look into TRT. But from personal experience, TRT just opens the door to more and more issues down the road. So don't jump into it unless you have to.

Yeah I thought i could get away with running my HCG post cycle but i didn't work for me and next time I run a cycle i will run HCG during to keep the boyz going.

I don't want to go on TRT yet so that's why I haven't jumped on another cycle. I will run Nolva or Clomid next time and maybe use some HCGenerate after that.

Thanks so much for your help and advise bro it means a lot!!

 

[cgar1228]

deca can mess up your HPTA for a long time ,so its not unusual for certain subjects to experience what you are going they,remember nandrolone like Deca and compounds like fina can linger in the body up to 18 months, but theres good news, the same thing happened to me ,except i was in my late 40's, it was almost a year before i recovered ,and yes my PCT was spot on, actually I ran several different types of PCT,none helped, beware of taking too much HCG or you will be in a bigger mess than you are now.the best thing is let the body recover slowly ,personally i wouldn't worry about all those blood test as it won't make a difference, what you could do to help some is take HCGenerate a low dosage for a long peroid of time so several bottles will be required, this is the best thing at the moment ,don't complicate thing by adding more compounds thinking more is better ,because its not, eventually you will recover 4 caps a day of HCGenerate should speed things up ,but its not going to happen over night.so relax because stress will just delay the inevitable .

Peace
RADAR

You are the man Radar. Thanks for your input bro it is appreciated and taken to heart. I just ordered some HCGenerate to get things going.

After deca shut you down, did you ever run deca again and how did you prevent the massive shutdown from it the second time around? Deca was heaven on my joints and actually healed my bum ankle so I would LOVE to run it again some time in the future but wanna know the right steps to take.

 

[zedhed]

Bump
This is excellent lesson for everybody on here. It needs to be kept up at the top for awhile.
Good luck cgar!
And big thanks for all the Gr8 input all you good bros!

 

[daveyboy2345]

Don't take more than 300 mgs. Deca a week.