Nanotech Food - Color Me Paranoid but I Find This Disturbing

[musclemom]

Perhaps this does not disturb you, you hail the new advances in food technology and breakthroughs as achievements that can only enhance human life. From my perspective, our bodies evolved utilizing certain elements found in certain expected molecular forms, and evolving to utilize other molecules is something that takes thousands, if not, more years. The idea of consuming, particularly unknowingly, something that is actually small enough to cross the blood/brain barrier is really, really disturbing. The fact the FDA busts down on herbs, which have been around since time began, but turns a blind eye to this development smacks of everything from cronyism to conspiracy.

And before you ask, no, I don't like GMO foods, either. Hybridization I have no problem with, that at least doesn't introduce unnatural DNA (or screw with our DNA). I'm sorry, why is it like over 95% of industrialized nations won't have anything to do with fluoride, GMOs and now nanotech foods, and yet America, we'll swallow anything they shove at us? Maybe that's why people are so damn fat?

If you think something tiny can't possible hurt you, pay particular attention to the first article. Asbestos fibers are small, too, you feel like snorting a microgram of that a day? Viruses, those are small, too. Food is hugely important to a lot of us, in a weird way more so than the average person, and supplements another, it's just something to consider. From my perspective, something that is so molecularly small that our bodies are incapable of detoxifying it, is horrifying. For the readers among you, that's how a lot of Robin Cook novels start out, ain't it?

Part one of a three part series:
Amid Nanotechnology's Dazzling Promise, Health Fears Grow - AOL News

(March 24) -- For almost two years, molecular biologist Bénédicte Trouiller doused the drinking water of scores of lab mice with nano-titanium dioxide, the most common nanomaterial used in consumer products today.

She knew that earlier studies conducted in test tubes and petri dishes had shown the same particle could cause disease. But her tests at a lab at UCLA's School of Public Health were in vivo -- conducted in living organisms -- and thus regarded by some scientists as more relevant in assessing potential human harm.

Halfway through, Trouiller became alarmed: Consuming the nano-titanium dioxide was damaging or destroying the animals' DNA and chromosomes. The biological havoc continued as she repeated the studies again and again. It was a significant finding: The degrees of DNA damage and genetic instability that the 32-year-old investigator documented can be "linked to all the big killers of man, namely cancer, heart disease, neurological disease and aging," says Professor Robert Schiestl, a genetic toxicologist who ran the lab at UCLA's School of Public Health where Trouiller did her research.

Part two:
Nanotechnology Bringing Foods, Regulated or Not, to Grocery Near You - AOL News

Part three:
Obsession With Nanotechnology Growth Stymies Regulators - AOL News

 

[Captain FT]

Perhaps this does not disturb you, you hail the new advances in food technology and breakthroughs as achievements that can only enhance human life. From my perspective, our bodies evolved utilizing certain elements found in certain expected molecular forms, and evolving to utilize other molecules is something that takes thousands, if not, more years. The idea of consuming, particularly unknowingly, something that is actually small enough to cross the blood/brain barrier is really, really disturbing. The fact the FDA busts down on herbs, which have been around since time began, but turns a blind eye to this development smacks of everything from cronyism to conspiracy.

And before you ask, no, I don't like GMO foods, either. Hybridization I have no problem with, that at least doesn't introduce unnatural DNA (or screw with our DNA). I'm sorry, why is it like over 95% of industrialized nations won't have anything to do with fluoride, GMOs and now nanotech foods, and yet America, we'll swallow anything they shove at us? Maybe that's why people are so damn fat?

If you think something tiny can't possible hurt you, pay particular attention to the first article. Asbestos fibers are small, too, you feel like snorting a microgram of that a day? Viruses, those are small, too. Food is hugely important to a lot of us, in a weird way more so than the average person, and supplements another, it's just something to consider. From my perspective, something that is so molecularly small that our bodies are incapable of detoxifying it, is horrifying. For the readers among you, that's how a lot of Robin Cook novels start out, ain't it?

Part one of a three part series:
Amid Nanotechnology's Dazzling Promise, Health Fears Grow - AOL News



Part two:
Nanotechnology Bringing Foods, Regulated or Not, to Grocery Near You - AOL News

Part three:
Obsession With Nanotechnology Growth Stymies Regulators - AOL News

Good read. That stuff is absolutely scary. Advances in technology are great, but I see them doing more harm than good. I don't like things interfering with natural selection.

After reading the Paleo Diet for Athletes I've started trying to go back to a more caveman type diet, its what are genetics have been programmed for over thousands of years.

Conversely though I think we will start to be grateful when these little nano-buggers can seek and destroy viruses and we're finally able to cure some debilitating diseases or repair nerve cells and reverse paralysis. Take the good with the bad I guess.

 

[nefertiti]

Good read. That stuff is absolutely scary. Advances in technology are great, but I see them doing more harm than good. I don't like things interfering with natural selection.

After reading the Paleo Diet for Athletes I've started trying to go back to a more caveman type diet, its what are genetics have been programmed for over thousands of years.

Conversely though I think we will start to be grateful when these little nano-buggers can seek and destroy viruses and we're finally able to cure some debilitating diseases or repair nerve cells and reverse paralysis. Take the good with the bad I guess.

I guess you never saw the outer limits where the nanobots went nuts and started doing things like maing eyes grow in the back of a guys head, giving him gills, and other "improvements?" haha

 

[musclemom]

Good read. That stuff is absolutely scary. Advances in technology are great, but I see them doing more harm than good. I don't like things interfering with natural selection.

After reading the Paleo Diet for Athletes I've started trying to go back to a more caveman type diet, its what are genetics have been programmed for over thousands of years.

Conversely though I think we will start to be grateful when these little nano-buggers can seek and destroy viruses and we're finally able to cure some debilitating diseases or repair nerve cells and reverse paralysis. Take the good with the bad I guess.

I have no problem with that sort of utlization of nanotechnology. I think it's brilliant, but the concept of this technology purposely being released into everyday items and foods, uncontrolled, unmonitored, that is just irresponsible.

I don't get it. People rant and rave and make death threats about something like the health care bill, but fluoride, GMO foods, they don't blink an eye. This is going into your body and you don't question it?!?

I don't understand that mindset.

 

[RottenWillow]

I have no problem with that sort of utlization of nanotechnology. I think it's brilliant, but the concept of this technology purposely being released into everyday items and foods, uncontrolled, unmonitored, that is just irresponsible.

I don't get it. People rant and rave and make death threats about something like the health care bill, but fluoride, GMO foods, they don't blink an eye. This is going into your body and you don't question it?!?

I don't understand that mindset.

and chlorine. At least that one is very easily neutralized by plain old ascorbic acid if you want to drink or soak in tap water.

difference is media type, MM. People have this dire misconception that if it is important it will be a big headline story. It not, then it cannot be that serious an issue, right?

 

[musclemom]

and chlorine. At least that one is very easily neutralized by plain old ascorbic acid if you want to drink or soak in tap water.

difference is media type, MM. People have this dire misconception that if it is important it will be a big headline story. It not, then it cannot be that serious an issue, right?

I do not tolerate chlorine. If I'm in an environment where it is in high concentrations (like an indoor pool or even if it's being used in the laundry) it makes me ill (breathing it makes me, like, high, I get loopy and giddy, if it's really thick then I'll start to gag and retch, same if I get in a swimming pool and get the water in my mouth). We have water filters on the tap and shower so I've totally forgotten about that poison.

You're absolutely right, RW.

There's a part of me that would like to save the world, but another part of me is going "Fuck the world, just focus on saving yourself and Mr. Musclemom and screw everyone else because between the pharmaceutical industry, chemical companies, nanotechnology and gene manipulation there is a huge but quiet move by the pharmaceutical industry and the govt. to give everyone multiple sclerosis (or some other chronic autoimmune disorder) diabetes, high blood pressure and curable cancers that will just keep the money rolling in."

 

[trex74]

personally, I am not down with any of it. it's too freakin small, and i don't like these "advances".
my love of food-related technology ends with the concept of refrigeration


this is the latest news from Canada, a bill has just been put before Parliament to insure regulation before being passed down to the consumer.

C-494

it'll take a while for it to wind it's way through Parliament though

the press release can be found within this page: LEGISINFO - The Library of Parliament's research tool for finding information on legislation

 

[mrplunkey]

Shhhh... We've delegated all this type of thinking to the good hands of FDA, EPA and the other branches of our wonderful government. If they're A-ok with it, we should all get with the program.

 

[musclemom]

Shhhh... We've delegated all this type of thinking to the good hands of FDA, EPA and the other branches of our wonderful government. If they're A-ok with it, we should all get with the program.

I've given up on our government, it's a mess. Apparently nobody's ethical standards can withstand the lure of money and more power.

Frankly, I believe certain things (clean water, education, health care) SHOULD be our rights as citizens, not priveleges, and I don't mind paying the tax for it. Ask the Swedish, they don't mind! I'd fucking move there if they'd have me.

I really do think Monsanto is out to give us all chronic illnesses and they're paying off the FDA and EPA to do it.

 

[chris302001]

can somebody pass me the tinfoil?

 

[musclemom]

can somebody pass me the tinfoil?

Did you actually read any of the articles? These nanoparticles are so small they cross the blood-brain barrier. How can our body detox them if they're smaller than cells? How can you you just blow off something like this with such a patronizing comment? What is it with doctors refusing to see toxins in food and the environment impact health?

 

[chris302001]

did i even read any of that? of course i didnt.

 

[redsamurai]

nanotech is no fucking joke. A relative of mine is one of the premier nano tech experts in the country and possibly the world. I can't follow half of what comes out of his mouth but the general picture is that this shit is not to be fucked with. There's huge upsides to this technology....but as usual people move with shit before it's been thoroughly vetted. So count on some greedy businessmen to do shit, like this food business for example, before they really know what the fucking consequences are. THe general public should be as insulated as earthly possible from these particles for decades to come, if not a century or more. No product that has the chance of exposing people internally to these particles should make it's way to market before they have absolute concrete evidence that their ability to pass cellular membranes is benign. Some of these particles will have benign effects on human physiology....but some could be catastrophic.

Basically I don't trust humans in the slightest with this sort of technology so it should be visciously controlled. Won't happen here cause the govt. is owned by business, so what they say goes.

 

[mrplunkey]

nanotech is no fucking joke. A relative of mine is one of the premier nano tech experts in the country and possibly the world. I can't follow half of what comes out of his mouth but the general picture is that this shit is not to be fucked with. There's huge upsides to this technology....but as usual people move with shit before it's been thoroughly vetted. So count on some greedy businessmen to do shit, like this food business for example, before they really know what the fucking consequences are. THe general public should be as insulated as earthly possible from these particles for decades to come, if not a century or more. No product that has the chance of exposing people internally to these particles should make it's way to market before they have absolute concrete evidence that their ability to pass cellular membranes is benign. Some of these particles will have benign effects on human physiology....but some could be catastrophic.

Basically I don't trust humans in the slightest with this sort of technology so it should be visciously controlled. Won't happen here cause the govt. is owned by business, so what they say goes.

If you believe that, shouldn't government be reduced at all costs so to prevent this horrible abuse?

 

[EnderJE]

I want to be better by design. Improved by science.

 

[javaguru]

I didn't read the article but the hoopla about genetically modified foods is pretty much bs. Humans have been genetically modifying their food crops since they invented agriculture. Another example, Aspartame is the methyl ester of a phenylalanine/aspartic acid dipeptide....it's harmless unless you suffer from the rare condition of phenylketonuria.

 

[redsamurai]

I didn't read the article but the hoopla about genetically modified foods is pretty much bs. Humans have been genetically modifying their food crops since they invented agriculture. Another example, Aspartame is the methyl ester of a phenylalanine/aspartic acid dipeptide....it's harmless unless you suffer from the rare condition of phenylketonuria.

maybe I'm thinking of something different, but I could swear i just read about aspartame being horrible for your brain.It imbeds itself inbetween neural receptors and basically fucks your brain chemistry. Does it completely shut your brain down, no...but cumulatively it limits your brain function over time. That's the problem with these things, it's cumulative so people think it's harmless.

 

[redsamurai]

If you believe that, shouldn't government be reduced at all costs so to prevent this horrible abuse?

or we should forcibly change govt. Our govt. is unacceptable but things would be worse without. Seeing as how the meat industry has no interst in regulating itself we'd have alot more people dying every year without govt. inspection.

You'd have a point if humans were more respectable and inclined to do what's right. But since that isn't the case and never has been.......

 

[mrplunkey]

You'd have a point if humans were more respectable and inclined to do what's right. But since that isn't the case and never has been.......

... then maybe we should give government less to be stolen or manipulated by evil corporate America?

P.S. I'm loving the nutrasweet imbeding itself inbetween receptors in your brain thing.

 

[redsamurai]

P.S. I'm loving the nutrasweet imbeding itself inbetween receptors in your brain thing.

Aspartate and glutamate act as neurotransmitters in the brain by facilitating the transmission of information from neuron to neuron. Too much aspartate or glutamate in the brain kills certain neurons by allowing the influx of too much calcium into the cells. This influx triggers excessive amounts of free radicals, which kill the cells. The neural cell damage that can be caused by excessive aspartate and glutamate is why they are referred to as "excitotoxins." They "excite" or stimulate the neural cells to death.

Aspartic acid is an amino acid. Taken in its free form (unbound to proteins) it significantly raises the blood plasma level of aspartate and glutamate. The excess aspartate and glutamate in the blood plasma shortly after ingesting aspartame or products with free glutamic acid (glutamate precursor) leads to a high level of those neurotransmitters in certain areas of the brain.

The blood brain barrier (BBB), which normally protects the brain from excess glutamate and aspartate as well as toxins, 1) is not fully developed during childhood, 2) does not fully protect all areas of the brain, 3) is damaged by numerous chronic and acute conditions, and 4) allows seepage of excess glutamate and aspartate into the brain even when intact.

The excess glutamate and aspartate slowly begin to destroy neurons. The large majority (75 percent or more) of neural cells in a particular area of the brain are killed before any clinical symptoms of a chronic illness are noticed. A few of the many chronic illnesses that have been shown to be contributed to by long-term exposure to excitatory amino acid damage include:

 

[chris302001]

I had a dream last night that the teflon on my cookware leaped off and was choking my in my sleep.

 

[binö]

color me badd was the shit

 

[mrplunkey]

I had a dream last night that the teflon on my cookware leaped off and was choking my in my sleep.

How ridiculous. Everyone knows teflon particles align with the magnetic fields generated by TV sets and makes your liver oscillate at an unnatural frequency.

You're a doctor now. You need to know these things.

 

[musclemom]

I had a dream last night that the teflon on my cookware leaped off and was choking my in my sleep.

That mentality propagates disease. It is simultaneously offensive and deeply saddens me.

The cure for disease lies in prevention. Find the cause, find the source, you have your preventative action. What if XYZ chemical causes ABC DNA damage which results in breast cancer in women and prostate cancer in men?

Doctors (read, society) don't want to confront answers because it forces them to face the fact that solutions are too complicated and would narrow the profit margins

I am sad you cannot grow past it, but I am also resigned to the reality of the world. The choice is fight it or accept stupidity and simply react defensively.

So mote it be *deep sigh*

 

[chris302001]

Relax, Francis

 

[musclemom]

Relax, Francis

No. It's wrong to accept bullshit answers for serious questions. You are doing the equivalent of patting me on the head telling me I'm too stupid to understand and being over-reactionary. That is flawed thinking. It is egocentric and hubristic.

 

[redsamurai]

does this surprise you MM?

 

[chris302001]

No. It's wrong to accept bullshit answers for serious questions. You are doing the equivalent of patting me on the head telling me I'm too stupid to understand and being over-reactionary. That is flawed thinking. It is egocentric and hubristic.

well until you move to Montana, dig your own well, raise your own chickens, and grow your own vegetables, you're not doing shit but bitch about everything. But you wont do that because you would have to give up all of life's conveniences and that's too much to lose in support of living what you actually believe in.

 

[redsamurai]

well until you move to Montana, dig your own well, raise your own chickens, and grow your own vegetables, you're not doing shit but bitch about everything. But you wont do that because you would have to give up all of life's conveniences and that's too much to lose in support of living what you actually believe in.

so that's it? we have to go live like shaolin monks because it's just too damn much to ask for that people don't throw mercury in the ocean or continue to put cheap chemicals in food that we're finding out has adverse affects on humans? It may very well get to that point, but for now we have warriors like Jamie Oliver who are kind of wondering if maybe we're best served fixing that which is broken instead of taking your ball and going home. Are you saying that hot running water will disappear overnight if we dare to tell people they can't poison our worlds water supplies anymore or deliberately shit up our food supplies? Bullshit...this is about a few people realizing they can make more money than god by extincting the concept of "health". Nothing to do with "life's conveniences".

 

[binö]

i, for one, think redsam wouldn't last long in montana or wyoming.
discuss

 

[miplank]

lol@chris and MM

 

[chris302001]

so that's it? we have to go live like shaolin monks because it's just too damn much to ask for that people don't throw mercury in the ocean or continue to put cheap chemicals in food that we're finding out has adverse affects on humans? It may very well get to that point, but for now we have warriors like Jamie Oliver who are kind of wondering if maybe we're best served fixing that which is broken instead of taking your ball and going home. Are you saying that hot running water will disappear overnight if we dare to tell people they can't poison our worlds water supplies anymore or deliberately shit up our food supplies? Bullshit...this is about a few people realizing they can make more money than god by extincting the concept of "health". Nothing to do with "life's conveniences".

well you sure as fuck arent going to change anyones mind with your bitching.

 

[mrplunkey]

well you sure as fuck arent going to change anyones mind with your bitching.

Hey now, let's be fair.

You're investing a couple decades of your life and a few hundred thousand dollars so you can spend the rest of your profesisonal life treating sick people.

He's bitching about the evils of big food and corporate greed on an Internet message board.

That seems about even in my estimation. I also suspect you are being covertly funded by McDonalds and Archer Daniels Midland. You're still on my radar anyway, as I am certain you will take-out my tonsils for profit at your first opportunity.

 

[RottenWillow]

Relax, Francis

Lame

 

[EnderJE]

I think that Chris is becoming the new Plunkey.

 

[javaguru]

 

[redsamurai]

i, for one, think redsam wouldn't last long in montana or wyoming.
discuss

You're right, I just have property in that very region because it's "sheik" and impresses the ladies on sunday sipping daquiri's on the veranda...

On some things you shouldn't speak unless you know the person intimately of whom you are making assumptions.

 

[redsamurai]

well you sure as fuck arent going to change anyones mind with your bitching.

so? this thread started with MM bringing up a point that soon we're going to have nano engineered nutrition which she's well within reason to be leary about, and she doesn't even know the half of it. Are people just supposed to shut up and submit to being poisoned chris? Is that what's bothering you? I could really care less about changing anyone's mind, but since we're here on a chat board we mineswell speak our opinions.

 

[javaguru]

so? this thread started with MM bringing up a point that soon we're going to have nano engineered nutrition which she's well within reason to be leary about, and she doesn't even know the half of it. Are people just supposed to shut up and submit to being poisoned chris? Is that what's bothering you? I could really care less about changing anyone's mind, but since we're here on a chat board we mineswell speak our opinions.

Prove that anyone is going to be poisoned. We have been genetically modifying crops since agriculture was invented tens of thousands of years ago; Would you prefer to starve? Honestly, "we" understand crop yields, science, and genetic engineering far better than the primitives cultivating and genetically manipulating corn thousands of years ago.... You should see how corn started out...

 

[mrplunkey]

Prove that anyone is going to be poisoned. We have been genetically modifying crops since agriculture was invented tens of thousands of years ago; Would you prefer to starve? Honestly, "we" understand crop yields, science, and genetic engineering far better than the primitives cultivating and genetically manipulating corn thousands of years ago.... You should see how corn started out...

He's still working on proving the "massive inflation" that occurred during the Reagan presidency. You need to wait your turn in the queue.

I love watching people who bitch about progress and conveniently overlook the billions of people that same progress saved.

 

[mrplunkey]

I think that Chris is becoming the new Plunkey.

I think Chris can smack him down over healthcare and life sciences and I'll cover the political and corporate America segment.

Face it, we've got a lot of ground to cover. If he becomes an expert on Canada, Chris and I will have to add you to the brain trust.

 

[PICK3]

I think Chris can smack him down over healthcare and life sciences and I'll cover the political and corporate America segment.

know what segment I'd be best suited to cover?

 

[mrplunkey]

know what segment I'd be best suited to cover?

His most outrageous hyperbole does frequently have homosexual themes...

You've got a shot Pick! I say go for it. Just for the love of god, don't post pics. Never. Ever. Ever ever. Like, even if you've got five xannies up your nose and you're doing shots at Cutters. It's still not a good idea. Like... never.















Ever. Never. Ever.

 

[binö]

You're right, I just have property in that very region because it's "sheik" and impresses the ladies on sunday sipping daquiri's on the veranda...

On some things you shouldn't speak unless you know the person intimately of whom you are making assumptions.

i was joking bro,
and you don't strike me as a the wilderness type of cat.
everyone claims they are, then they visit/move to such a place, and they get pwned.
i live that lifestyle, and it's not easy or always fun...i hate mofos that rep it but don't live it

 

[redsamurai]

i was joking bro,
and you don't strike me as a the wilderness type of cat.
everyone claims they are, then they visit/move to such a place, and they get pwned.
i live that lifestyle, and it's not easy or always fun...i hate mofos that rep it but don't live it

Well I'm not quite to "this" level....




but I do know how to survive in conditions that would make most of the nancies here like plunkey cry for their blackberries. lol

uhhhhgg, why did I bring up this video again.....it makes me queasy every time.

 

[mrplunkey]

but I do know how to survive in conditions that would make most of the nancies here like plunkey cry for their blackberries. lol

I have no doubt the scoutmasters were dissappointed in your passing.

 

[redsamurai]

I have no doubt the scoutmasters were dissappointed in your passing.

listen mo, you might have been subjected to "bad touch" from your troop leader. But me, I went to scouts one time and realized this was kind of faggy. I'm sure you wore your eagle scout badge with pride as the bad touch perpetrator stood beaming above you with his hand knowingly on your shoulder, but don't pass that on to me. No scout here. ANd like I said, I'm not gilligans island with anything. But if you put me and you in two cabins out in the woods with minimum supplies and no way of indulging in capitalist consumption for two months....I'm the one who's going to be cool like a fool at the end whereas I'd have to listen to you babbling and sopping about after 4 days.


ps. The cabins have to be a minimum distance away so that you don't bother my meditation sessions.

 

[javaguru]

do you have enough ammo to defend yourself from a zombie plague red?



I didn't need to be a scout to learn how to live off the land... I'm country....real country...

 

[PICK3]

I didn't need to be a scout to learn how to live off the land... I'm country....real country...

I'm a city boy.

If I want fish, I get it square on a bun.

just sayin'

 

[javaguru]

I'm a city boy.

If I want fish, I get it square on a bun.

just sayin'

If you weren't the geigh you should look into the country girls...they're faithful but unforgiving.

 

[PICK3]

If you weren't the geigh you should look into the country girls...they're faithful but unforgiving.

Gretchen looks like she was rode hard and put up wet.

just sayin'

 

[javaguru]

You know you're on the right track when your relationship fight is based on the wiminz not wanting to go hunting with you.

However..piss her off....in a real way...

 

[javaguru]

My kryptonite is strong willed independent wiminz...

 

[PICK3]

I'm old ... my taste in country wimmenzs runs a little more mature

 

[javaguru]

Gretchen looks like she was rode hard and put up wet.

just sayin'

This is the pick3 mantra song...

 

[PICK3]

This is the pick3 mantra song...

used to be

I'm subscribing to the JG philosphy of giving up the booze & teh wimmenzs

 

[javaguru]

 

[javaguru]

I'm old ... my taste in country wimmenzs runs a little more mature

I would have expected Shania from a grandpa like yourself.

 

[javaguru]

I would have expected Shania from a grandpa like yourself.

 

[mrplunkey]

Pick3 is more of a George Michael / Boy George kinda guy.

Just sayin'

 

[PICK3]

Pick3 is more of a George Michael / Boy George kinda guy.

Just sayin'

She's not even country

btw, thx 4 Nancy'ing up mm's "Nanotech Food - Color Me Paranoid but I Find This Disturbing" thread.

 

[mrplunkey]

She's not even country

btw, thx 4 Nancy'ing up mm's "Nanotech Food - Color Me Paranoid but I Find This Disturbing" thread.

You could Nancy-up a girl-on-girl bikini jello wrestling match.

Just sayin'

 

[redsamurai]

nigga please, i got my nodachi and shotu on stand by waiting for those fools.

do you have enough ammo to defend yourself from a zombie plague red?



I didn't need to be a scout to learn how to live off the land... I'm country....real country...

 

[redsamurai]

oh and wouldn't it be neat if we could maybe talk about nanotech food, you know, the topic of the thread. Not to dismiss discussions of hot wimminz and rampaging zombie plagues, but seriously.....back on topic?

 

[mrplunkey]

oh and wouldn't it be neat if we could maybe talk about nanotech food, you know, the topic of the thread. Not to dismiss discussions of hot wimminz and rampaging zombie plagues, but seriously.....back on topic?

That would seem more serious if the last off-topic post prior to the request hadn't been made by you.

 

[musclemom]

oh and wouldn't it be neat if we could maybe talk about nanotech food, you know, the topic of the thread. Not to dismiss discussions of hot wimminz and rampaging zombie plagues, but seriously.....back on topic?

Why bother? Seriously, what's the point? Virtually nobody gives enough of a shit to even bother reading the articles so they have no idea what I really posted about. Trying to have an even halfway serious conversation about the topic of environmental toxins or the continued compromise of our food supply is basically hopeless.

People don't care, don't want to care, or refuse to look beyond certain paradigms. I don't have a string of letters after my name, I don't work for the FDA, the EPA, the AMA or Monsanto so my opinion is worth exactly what it costs to read it on these boards.

I'm over it.

 

[trex74]

Why bother? Seriously, what's the point? Virtually nobody gives enough of a shit to even bother reading the articles so they have no idea what I really posted about. Trying to have an even halfway serious conversation about the topic of environmental toxins or the continued compromise of our food supply is basically hopeless.

People don't care, don't want to care, or refuse to look beyond certain paradigms. I don't have a string of letters after my name, I don't work for the FDA, the EPA, the AMA or Monsanto so my opinion is worth exactly what it costs to read it on these boards.

I'm over it.

I found it all very interesting MM.
You know what they say, if you can even only save one life it is worth it. LOL I'm your one.

 

[javaguru]

Why bother? Seriously, what's the point? Virtually nobody gives enough of a shit to even bother reading the articles so they have no idea what I really posted about. Trying to have an even halfway serious conversation about the topic of environmental toxins or the continued compromise of our food supply is basically hopeless.

People don't care, don't want to care, or refuse to look beyond certain paradigms. I don't have a string of letters after my name, I don't work for the FDA, the EPA, the AMA or Monsanto so my opinion is worth exactly what it costs to read it on these boards.

I'm over it.

I still haven't read the articles. For the record, I purchase grass fed and finished beef from a farm in NY so I do care about my health. However, concerns about GM foods are pretty much overblown...

 

[mrplunkey]

Why bother? Seriously, what's the point? Virtually nobody gives enough of a shit to even bother reading the articles so they have no idea what I really posted about. Trying to have an even halfway serious conversation about the topic of environmental toxins or the continued compromise of our food supply is basically hopeless.

People don't care, don't want to care, or refuse to look beyond certain paradigms. I don't have a string of letters after my name, I don't work for the FDA, the EPA, the AMA or Monsanto so my opinion is worth exactly what it costs to read it on these boards.

I'm over it.

The problem isn't people not reading articles. It's an issue of comparative impact. People who worry about GM foods or subtle environmental toxins are typically so focused on these issues that they overlook the more fundamental ones.

I avoid our local health nut grocery store like the plague. But when I do get stuck there, it never ceases to amaze me. I'll watch some woman hassle a clerk over the contents of a random food item. But guess what? The woman looks a good 15 lbs overweight and doesn't look like she's experienced vigorous exercise in months (if not years).

If you are within 2 lbs of your ideal bodyweight, carefully balance your daily regimen of both cardiovascular training and resistance training, plan your effective sleep strategy (including support surfaces, timing of sleep and hours), carefully plan your meal portions by calorie count, get blood draws and comphrehensive blood work on a monthly basis and stay under a physician's care, manage your exposure to supernormal stimuli (including TV, movies and Internet), and remain constantly vigilant to maintain proper of airflow and fume exhaust all around you at all times, then you probably are ready to make sure your radishes were grown and harvested in the proper manner. Otherwise, it's largely wasted effort.

P.S. I do think we have an evolutionarily-instilled fear of putting something "bad" into our bodies. That's where some of that irrational fear comes from. And if you don't think we have irrationally-elevated fears driven from evolution, consider this: There are tens of thousands of people who are 100+ overweight who are slowly eating themselves to death -- but are afraid of spiders, snakes (or whatever).

 

[Underwraps]

and chlorine. At least that one is very easily neutralized by plain old ascorbic acid if you want to drink or soak in tap water.

difference is media type, MM. People have this dire misconception that if it is important it will be a big headline story. It not, then it cannot be that serious an issue, right?

You're refering to chlorine right? Thanks. Good one to know!

As a mother of a child with Autism and who is in the camp that believes the U.S.'s way of immunizing children is what is triggering the hereditary Autism gene to run amok (think the movie Legend), I am very wary of anything at the cellular/molecular level.

I have my son on something that maybe totally hocus pocus, but it's "zeolite" by Waiora and is suppose to be a gentle way of doing kelation. It's from lava and is suppose to remove the toxins like thimerosol (sp?) from his system. I don't particular think it's thimerosol is the cause. I believe his immune system has run amok from being overcharged w/immunizations. (Other industrialized countries DO NOT immunize with as many as we do.- on the same note as flouride and GMOs etc...) Just because WE do it, doesn't mean it's the best way to do things and that it's okay and safe. Very arrogant way of thinking and it makes us trust too much in the big powers that be that everything they is is right and okay. Just ask my son- Oh, wait,you can't.... he's locked up inside and speaking English is like you speaking a new foreign language- every day is a struggle to express himself, but if he could express himself, he'd give the powers that be a big middle finger.

Have kids? Look at their shot records and compare to yours- soooo many more shots than what we had and did we die off by the thousands because we didn't have as many? No. I don't let him have any more shots. With everyone else getting shots anyway, he'll be fine. Yes, at the molecular level we just assume eveything is okay because can't feel it or see it.

 

[redsamurai]

As usual you present a classically and tragically flawed straw man argument based on more hyperbole which you seem utterly incapable of divorcing yourself from.

It's an utterly ridiculous position to take that unless you're near contest ready shape that you shouldn't worry about things like....oh.....mercury in your food or whatnot. I mean you're just not a serious customer. I'd like to think that if you took just 30 minutes a week to do search's on a few of these issues, like "nutrasweet"(aspartame)which you so cheekily stated as, you'd come to a better understanding of how these toxins have a cumulative affect. It's not "just one", it's all of them that are in everything including the air. If someone told you when you die that you lost a decade or more of your time down there because of this shit...you'll be salty guaranteed. And before you subsequently accuse me of hyperbole as well I suggest you do some reading.

The problem isn't people not reading articles. It's an issue of comparative impact. People who worry about GM foods or subtle environmental toxins are typically so focused on these issues that they overlook the more fundamental ones.

I avoid our local health nut grocery store like the plague. But when I do get stuck there, it never ceases to amaze me. I'll watch some woman hassle a clerk over the contents of a random food item. But guess what? The woman looks a good 15 lbs overweight and doesn't look like she's experienced vigorous exercise in months (if not years).

If you are within 2 lbs of your ideal bodyweight, carefully balance your daily regimen of both cardiovascular training and resistance training, plan your effective sleep strategy (including support surfaces, timing of sleep and hours), carefully plan your meal portions by calorie count, get blood draws and comphrehensive blood work on a monthly basis and stay under a physician's care, manage your exposure to supernormal stimuli (including TV, movies and Internet), and remain constantly vigilant to maintain proper of airflow and fume exhaust all around you at all times, then you probably are ready to make sure your radishes were grown and harvested in the proper manner. Otherwise, it's largely wasted effort.

P.S. I do think we have an evolutionarily-instilled fear of putting something "bad" into our bodies. That's where some of that irrational fear comes from. And if you don't think we have irrationally-elevated fears driven from evolution, consider this: There are tens of thousands of people who are 100+ overweight who are slowly eating themselves to death -- but are afraid of spiders, snakes (or whatever).

 

[chris302001]

you heard that the research behind the vaccination theory was all made up bullshit right?

You're refering to chlorine right? Thanks. Good one to know!

As a mother of a child with Autism and who is in the camp that believes the U.S.'s way of immunizing children is what is triggering the hereditary Autism gene to run amok (think the movie Legend), I am very wary of anything at the cellular/molecular level.

I have my son on something that maybe totally hocus pocus, but it's "zeolite" by Waiora and is suppose to be a gentle way of doing kelation. It's from lava and is suppose to remove the toxins like thimerosol (sp?) from his system. I don't particular think it's thimerosol is the cause. I believe his immune system has run amok from being overcharged w/immunizations. (Other industrialized countries DO NOT immunize with as many as we do.- on the same note as flouride and GMOs etc...) Just because WE do it, doesn't mean it's the best way to do things and that it's okay and safe. Very arrogant way of thinking and it makes us trust too much in the big powers that be that everything they is is right and okay. Just ask my son- Oh, wait,you can't.... he's locked up inside and speaking English is like you speaking a new foreign language- every day is a struggle to express himself, but if he could express himself, he'd give the powers that be a big middle finger.

Have kids? Look at their shot records and compare to yours- soooo many more shots than what we had and did we die off by the thousands because we didn't have as many? No. I don't let him have any more shots. With everyone else getting shots anyway, he'll be fine. Yes, at the molecular level we just assume eveything is okay because can't feel it or see it.

 

[redsamurai]

you heard that the research behind the vaccination theory was all made up bullshit right?

well that would depend on who you're listening to. I'm not keen on listening to doctors who have a conflict of interest due to their ties with the drug industry.

 

[chris302001]

well that would depend on who you're listening to. I'm not keen on listening to doctors who have a conflict of interest due to their ties with the drug industry.

there isnt enough tinfoil in north america is there?

 

[redsamurai]

there isnt enough tinfoil in north america is there?

on the issue of vaccination I cannot comment because I haven't researched that at all. I have heard about it obviously and I remember there being some severe complications for a few people from the swine flu vacc. It's interesting you bring up n america though because it's ironic, those accused with wearing tinfoil in N.America often times have the same views as world reknowned doctors and scientists in Europe, China, India...to just name a few. Medical research is taking divergent paths all over the globe and people are coming to some pretty staggering conclusions. Here in the states the AMA dictates everything and smacks anyone down who doesn't tow the line. Is the ivy league dentist at my gym wearing tin foil when he tells me of the conferences he attended in the 80's over fluoride in tap water where dissenters got shouted down? Fluoride which they are now finding also likes to imbed itself in brain tissue and does all sorts of mischief. Some of the old guys are starting to talk and I advise you to listen. Or you can just smirk at them and offer them some tinfoil.

 

[chris302001]

on the issue of vaccination I cannot comment because I haven't researched that at all.

this says it all.

 

[redsamurai]

this says it all.

say's what? That I'm admitting there's a subject I haven't studied therefore I can't comment on? Seems to me that's a rational position that more people on this site would be better served in taking up.

 

[trex74]

Yeah the researcher made it up.
British Journal Retracts Paper Linking Autism and Vaccines - NYTimes.com

Personally, I judge the risks and benefits of various things, it is really a personal choice, after all it is MY body.
IMO:
Frequent handwashing is far better than hand sanitizer
Vaccinations are better than getting preventable diseases
Tap water is fine to drink, filtered water is fine too. Finding clean water in 3rd world countries is the real problem.
Pesticides can be washed off no probs, but organic would be preferable (as I get hives from unwashed sprayed fruit)
Plain, wholesome food is better than processed food.
Mercury in fillings is minimal, and does the job it's supposed too
There is no benefit from detoxifying treatments, your organs already do that for you
GM food could help with world hunger, but also presents a huge legal problem for farmers
Food with added nanotechnology that is small enough to cause genetic damage might be a problem, lets do more research before it is used in food
I prefer to use toxic bug repellent that can be washed off than get West Nile virus
and so on.

 

[chris302001]

Yeah the researcher made it up.
British Journal Retracts Paper Linking Autism and Vaccines - NYTimes.com

Personally, I judge the risks and benefits of various things, it is really a personal choice, after all it is MY body.
IMO:
Frequent handwashing is far better than hand sanitizer
Vaccinations are better than getting preventable diseases
Tap water is fine to drink, filtered water is fine too. Finding clean water in 3rd world countries is the real problem.
Pesticides can be washed off no probs, but organic would be preferable (as I get hives from unwashed sprayed fruit)
Plain, wholesome food is better than processed food.
Mercury in fillings is minimal, and does the job it's supposed too
There is no benefit from detoxifying treatments, your organs already do that for you
GM food could help with world hunger, but also presents a huge legal problem for farmers
Food with added nanotechnology that is small enough to cause genetic damage might be a problem, lets do more research before it is used in food
I prefer to use toxic bug repellent that can be washed off than get West Nile virus
and so on.

jesus good god fucking christ almighty, maybe you arent blueta's alter!

:handshake:

 

[mrplunkey]

jesus good god fucking christ almighty, maybe you arent blueta's alter!

:handshake:

Maybe the retraction is just a conspiracy!

What if big food and corporate America had formed a secret coalition with medical research and convinced them to withdraw their findings???

 

[mrplunkey]

As usual you present a classically and tragically flawed straw man argument based on more hyperbole which you seem utterly incapable of divorcing yourself from.

It's an utterly ridiculous position to take that unless you're near contest ready shape that you shouldn't worry about things like....oh.....mercury in your food or whatnot. I mean you're just not a serious customer. I'd like to think that if you took just 30 minutes a week to do search's on a few of these issues, like "nutrasweet"(aspartame)which you so cheekily stated as, you'd come to a better understanding of how these toxins have a cumulative affect. It's not "just one", it's all of them that are in everything including the air. If someone told you when you die that you lost a decade or more of your time down there because of this shit...you'll be salty guaranteed. And before you subsequently accuse me of hyperbole as well I suggest you do some reading.

Aren't you the guy who damaged (or at least enlarged) his heart by self-administering steroids?

Here's a hint: Spend less time worrying about whether or not the chicken breast you are eating lived a stress-free life and more time pondering the wisdom of self-administering super-physiological doses of prescription drugs.

Just sayin'

 

[chris302001]

Maybe the retraction is just a conspiracy!

What if big food and corporate America had formed a secret coalition with medical research and convinced them to withdraw their findings???

we are all fucked. I'm moving to a cave in afganistan

 

[redsamurai]

Aren't you the guy who damaged (or at least enlarged) his heart by self-administering steroids?

Here's a hint: Spend less time worrying about whether or not the chicken breast you are eating lived a stress-free life and more time pondering the wisdom of self-administering super-physiological doses of prescription drugs.

Just sayin'

1) coming from someone who has done his own cycles of steroids I'm wondering if........oh never mind

2) I stopped doing steroids because it's "possible" it contributed to my heart problem. No enlargement or blockages, they never figured it out what it was. I actually suspect clen but obviously don't know for sure so I just fucking quit everything.

As for those chickens, some of them are being pumped with hormones that cumulatively may have similiar effects to if you were on roids. But honestly when it comes to chickens I don't care cause I eat very little of it. Fish on the other hand is a bigger deal because it's a larger part of my diet. So mercury is a big deal to me. A kid in california got a bum heart from mercury imbedding itself in his heart tissue and altering the electrical pathways. Now he was also eating 8+ cans of tuna a day cause he read in a bodybuilding magazine about other bodybuilders who had done the cheap all tuna diet when they were coming up. Mercury is no joke. Am I subjecting myself to the levels that kid was? probably not....but how well does the body detoxify itself of mercury and what is the rate at which it does it? These are questions that vary from human to human, science can not offer a fixed answer. So how about we not let mercury get in the fucking oceans? This isn't paranoid tin foil hyperbole......seafood is a huge part of the worlds diet and responsible for human civilization being where it is today. Why I'm explaining this to you I don't know because I know you could give a fuck...you're just punching the clock waiting for your time to be up. SOme of us though care about happens here when we're gone.

 

[Smurfy]

we are all fucked. I'm moving to a cave in afganistan

oh no you're not!

 

[chris302001]

oh no you're not!

ehhehehehehe

 

[mrplunkey]

1) coming from someone who has done his own cycles of steroids I'm wondering if........oh never mind

I started using testosterone under a physician's care in 2004. When I do try my own things (i.e. SARMS-S4, which is greatness), I accept the risk and don't pine away over whether or not my broccoli is organically farmed.

And were does pot smoke fit into your grand scheme of things? Let's make sure and worry about trace amounts of environmental pollutants in the air but not think twice over filling your lungs (under pressure, no less) with known carcinogens every now and then.

This is just like the 300lb woman running around the health food store lecturing people about how bad red meat is for you. Once again, I am entertained.

 

[redsamurai]

I started using testosterone under a physician's care in 2004.

steroids are steroids,

When I do try my own things (i.e. SARMS-S4, which is greatness), I accept the risk and don't pine away over whether or not my broccoli is organically farmed.

I know you don't...nor did I ever challenge otherwise. Your point was useless.

And were does pot smoke fit into your grand scheme of things? Let's make sure and worry about trace amounts of environmental pollutants in the air but not think twice over filling your lungs (under pressure, no less) with known carcinogens every now and then.

I will fully admit there is pot grown out there hydroponically with fertilizers one can't easily pronounce let alone know about. I don't smoke that. THe only pot I smoke and will ever smoke is the kind that's been growing out of the ground since before humans knew this earth and was used by our earliest ancestors....not just to smoke but to make things out of. Hemp is the first crop humans ever cultivated. you cannot even remotely compare being exposed to mercury vs. inhaling natural pot smoke. Well....you can, but you constantly make uninformed statements that are based solely on your preconceived notions of how the world runs.

This is just like the 300lb woman running around the health food store lecturing people about how bad red meat is for you. Once again, I am entertained

.


son, you can do fuck all you want. I'm not lecturing you to change anything you do because I could simply care less. But what I will do is look out for my own interests.

 

[mrplunkey]

I will fully admit there is pot grown out there hydroponically with fertilizers one can't easily pronounce let alone know about. I don't smoke that. THe only pot I smoke and will ever smoke is the kind that's been growing out of the ground since before humans knew this earth and was used by our earliest ancestors....not just to smoke but to make things out of. Hemp is the first crop humans ever cultivated. you cannot even remotely compare being exposed to mercury vs. inhaling natural pot smoke. Well....you can, but you constantly make uninformed statements that are based solely on your preconceived notions of how the world runs.

Yeah, I bet that all-natural pot smoke is practically beneficial to your lungs.

So Musclemom, you asked why people don't take nutritional alarmists seriously? This is precisely why. I figure we're no more than two weeks away from yet another end-of-times biotoxins alert from a guy who goes out of his way to breathe-in a truckload of carcinogens between posts.

You certainly may not be one of the hypocrites, but it's fair to tar (yeah, I'm making a pun about charred organic residue accumulating in pot-smokers' lungs) the majority of this movement with the same brush.

 

[redsamurai]

Yeah, I bet that all-natural pot smoke is practically beneficial to your lungs.

So Musclemom, you asked why people don't take nutritional alarmists seriously? This is precisely why. I figure we're no more than two weeks away from yet another end-of-times biotoxins alert from a guy who goes out of his way to breathe-in a truckload of carcinogens between posts.

You certainly may not be one of the hypocrites, but it's fair to tar (yeah, I'm making a pun about charred organic residue accumulating in pot-smokers' lungs) the majority of this movement with the same brush.

I wouldn't expect you to have any clue about the difference, but in any case....you should have asked me either when was the last time I smoked pot or how often do I do it in the first place. Because you yourself are incapable of existing anywhere in between the "poles" in life.....I can't expect you to understand why I haven't smoked pot in over a year despite being a proponent. It is like talking to a wall.....or a record player. You're a tired old man in case you weren't aware.......which of course you weren't.

 

[mrplunkey]

I wouldn't expect you to have any clue about the difference, but in any case....you should have asked me either when was the last time I smoked pot or how often do I do it in the first place. Because you yourself are incapable of existing anywhere in between the "poles" in life.....I can't expect you to understand why I haven't smoked pot in over a year despite being a proponent. It is like talking to a wall.....or a record player. You're a tired old man in case you weren't aware.......which of course you weren't.

I knew I was going to use you as an example to answer Musclemom's question within moments of her post indicating how frustrated she was with people not taking these threats seriously -- all the way down to the "tar the movement" pun.

Yes, you are that predictable.

 

[trex74]

I think that the best we can do is try to make good decisions.
Whether we always succeed or not does not mean we are good or bad people.
For example, while I do not support pot smoking, if people choose to grow their own, then I think that is a better decision than bankrolling the lifestyle/politics of druglords.
It's not a black and white world, and no one is wholly good or wholly bad.
"Nutritional alarmists" are probably just trying to help people, and while they can be holier-than-thou, at least they are trying to do good.
I think I can make my own decisions about what is best for me, and I have to believe that the general populace is similarly capable.
If they are not, and make poor decisions, then it is not for lack of information.

 

[mrplunkey]

I think that the best we can do is try to make good decisions.
Whether we always succeed or not does not mean we are good or bad people.
For example, while I do not support pot smoking, if people choose to grow their own, then I think that is a better decision than bankrolling the lifestyle/politics of druglords.
It's not a black and white world, and no one is wholly good or wholly bad.
"Nutritional alarmists" are probably just trying to help people, and while they can be holier-than-thou, at least they are trying to do good.
I think I can make my own decisions about what is best for me, and I have to believe that the general populace is similarly capable.
If they are not, and make poor decisions, then it is not for lack of information.

+1,000,000

1) People should be making their own decisions. Government can't make competent decisions for them.

2) It's each person's job to do their own research. Let the buyer beware. Ceding this oversight to any third party at your own risk.

3) Address the big stuff first. If you're a 20lbs overweight pot smoker who watches TV three hours a day, don't fret over the RDA of vitamen A -- get off your ass.

4) My list of priorities (i.e. diet, exercise, sleep) may be different than someone else's list of priorities. That's what makes (1) and (2) so important.

 

[redsamurai]

+1,000,000


2) It's each person's job to do their own research. Let the buyer beware. Ceding this oversight to any third party at your own risk.

If you were more informed, and in my estimation more intelligent, you would understand why being exposed to so called "trace amounts" of toxins from childhood on can severely compromise your endocrine system, among many other things. If childrens endocrine functions don't properly develop, they'll be stuck that way for life. A fact that I suspect is not lost on certain people. You're living in a shell, and that's fine...you're not really needed anyway.

 

[redsamurai]

but with certain things there is a point......if you're still smoking a pack or more a day than, well, that's your call. The problem comes when people are getting exposed to things that they "more than likely" would not allow themselves to if they knew exactly what it was. This is why the food industry fights labeling regulations "tooth and nail". Because they know that once some people actually see what's in the food, and test it....they'll find what's wrong. I'm waiting for the next high margin cheap filler they'll come up with cause high fructose corn syrup has about run it's course, too many people know about it now.

 

[trex74]

If you were more informed, and in my estimation more intelligent, you would understand why being exposed to so called "trace amounts" of toxins from childhood on can severely compromise your endocrine system, among many other things. If childrens endocrine functions don't properly develop, they'll be stuck that way for life. A fact that I suspect is not lost on certain people. You're living in a shell, and that's fine...you're not really needed anyway.

Diabetes and hypothyroidism are definitely no laughing matter, and anything you can do to help prevent your children getting these diseases is worth looking at from the outset of pregnancy.

 

[redsamurai]

Diabetes and hypothyroidism are definitely no laughing matter, and anything you can do to help prevent your children getting these diseases is worth looking at from the outset of pregnancy.

quiet woman!!! don't you know your role? you need to shut up and let free market capital enterprise raise your children, whatchyou thinkin beeech!!


















indeed.

 

[trex74]

quiet woman!!! don't you know your role? you need to shut up and let free market capital enterprise raise your children, whatchyou thinkin beeech!!

















indeed.

lololololol funnnny

 

[musclemom]

but with certain things there is a point......if you're still smoking a pack or more a day than, well, that's your call. The problem comes when people are getting exposed to things that they "more than likely" would not allow themselves to if they knew exactly what it was. This is why the food industry fights labeling regulations "tooth and nail". Because they know that once some people actually see what's in the food, and test it....they'll find what's wrong. I'm waiting for the next high margin cheap filler they'll come up with cause high fructose corn syrup has about run it's course, too many people know about it now.

This was my primary point, above all other things.

I have GI problems. I read labels very closely because I have several things that I cannot tolerate. I eat very little processed food to begin with, but to find out they're coating the skins of foods that we might be eating (like apples), with something, and then aren't legally obligated to inform us of this I find really upsetting. Right up there with GMO foods (and one of the reasons I dislike GMO foods is that there seems to have been an increase in food related allergies since GMOs moved into the marketplace and frankly, most of the modifications make the foods more resistant to pesticides, which means if you're eating GM food you're probably getting at least a double dose of chemicals, and I simply do not believe that all pesticides can be washed off, I believe plants absorb chemicals just like they absorb water).

I don't mind paying a premium for organic foods, some people want a new car regularly, or take expensive vacations, my husband and I choose to spend our money on high quality food and dietary supplements. What I find infuriating is that the food industry develops this un-natural crap and shoves it down people's throats, and the government agency that's supposed to "protect" us turns a blind eye to everything and doesn't push through more decisive labeling laws. I just want to have the option to make an informed decision, I don't think that's unreasonable or unrealistic.

 

[trex74]

This was my primary point, above all other things.

I have GI problems. I read labels very closely because I have several things that I cannot tolerate. I eat very little processed food to begin with, but to find out they're coating the skins of foods that we might be eating (like apples), with something, and then aren't legally obligated to inform us of this I find really upsetting. Right up there with GMO foods (and one of the reasons I dislike GMO foods is that there seems to have been an increase in food related allergies since GMOs moved into the marketplace and frankly, most of the modifications make the foods more resistant to pesticides, which means if you're eating GM food you're probably getting at least a double dose of chemicals, and I simply do not believe that all pesticides can be washed off, I believe plants absorb chemicals just like they absorb water).

I don't mind paying a premium for organic foods, some people want a new car regularly, or take expensive vacations, my husband and I choose to spend our money on high quality food and dietary supplements. What I find infuriating is that the food industry develops this un-natural crap and shoves it down people's throats, and the government agency that's supposed to "protect" us turns a blind eye to everything and doesn't push through more decisive labeling laws. I just want to have the option to make an informed decision, I don't think that's unreasonable or unrealistic.

well if that bill passes here, and nothing is done there, come move to Canada, eh

 

[musclemom]

well if that bill passes here, and nothing is done there, come move to Canada, eh

I really hate the winter.

Actually, my husband, through his status as a Mohawk, holds dual citizenship and could claim like an acre of land up there on the reservation but ... shit I fucking hate the winter! I fantasize about moving to the beach and never having to see another snowflake as long as I live!