Navy Seal training ... fug that shit1

[PICK3]

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[javaguru]

My best friend in high school got through BUDS and he was a flaky slug that dropped out of wrestling.

 

[PICK3]

My best friend in high school got through BUDS and he was a flaky slug that dropped out of wrestling.

What does he do now?

Is he still in the Navy or doing contract work in the sandbox?

 

[PICK3]

I think the concept of a USN Seal as being the baddest MoFo walking the planet is a bit inflated. Some of those dudes weigh in at a buck-fifty.

They are experts at creating havoc, but what separates them is their mental toughness.

 

[javaguru]

What does he do now?

Is he still in the Navy or doing contract work in the sandbox?

I lost track of him after the early 1990's...they tossed him out of the Navy because he had issues. He went AWOL and "didn't work well with others." We figured that out about him freshman year of high school wrestling.

 

[javaguru]

I think the concept of a USN Seal as being the baddest MoFo walking the planet is a bit inflated. Some of those dudes weigh in at a buck-fifty.

They are experts at creating havoc, but what separates them is their mental toughness.

Command, control and communication.

Keep it simple stupid

Pre planning prevents piss poor performance

These are the principles that distinguish the elite IMO.

 

[PICK3]

Command, control and communication.

Keep it simple stupid

Pre planning prevents piss poor performance

These are the principles that distinguish the elite IMO.

^^^
not consistent with the daily mindset of an airman

just sayin'

 

[javaguru]

^^^
not consistent with the daily mindset of an airman

just sayin'

Even the Air Force fields an elite force...

 

[bakemeacookie]

Navy seals are great, but this isn't 1945 anymore. Wars are won by nerds creating gps-guided missiles from high in the sky. War is a lot different now than the days of stormimg the beach in normandy. In 20 years, we'll have cyborg's and body armor suits.

Not to mention, all the training in the world ain't gonna prevent you from getting your ass blown while driving around in a hummer. Becoming special forces only means you're not expendable so the military won't put you on shitty "high death ratio" type assignments like patrol and checkpoints. That's what 18 y/o privates are for

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[Strongbow]

Navy seals are great, but this isn't 1945 anymore. Wars are won by nerds creating gps-guided missiles from high in the sky. War is a lot different now than the days of stormimg the beach in normandy. In 20 years, we'll have cyborg's and body armor suits.

Not to mention, all the training in the world ain't gonna prevent you from getting your ass blown while driving around in a hummer. Becoming special forces only means you're not expendable so the military won't put you on shitty "high death ratio" type assignments like patrol and checkpoints. That's what 18 y/o privates are for

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I do agree with a lot of what you just said. Spec Ops military personal are not pansies son. And being dropped 50 miles behind enemy lines in Afgan or Iraq ain't exactly be kept out of harms way. But most of the civilian fucks in this country know more about what goes on in war times anyways. LOLOLOLOLOL I never cease to be amazed at such shit as this.

 

[bakemeacookie]

I do agree with a lot of what you just said. Spec Ops military personal are not pansies son. And being dropped 50 miles behind enemy lines in Afgan or Iraq ain't exactly be kept out of harms way. But most of the civilian fucks in this country know more about what goes on in war times anyways. LOLOLOLOLOL I never cease to be amazed at such shit as this.

I bet you didn't know back in 2003 that a bunch of 3rd-grade educated villagers would be killing thousands of highly-trained us soldiers through nothing more than pipe bombs hidden underneath the dirt and trash eh? That's okay, most highly experienced generals with stars on their jackets didn't know either.

So all that training out the window cuz of haji and his low-tech technology. This isn't 1945. If the us wants to stop losing war after war like it does now - the whole concept of fighting war has to be changed. Everyone needs to go back to the drawing board (unless you want to keep losing to uneducated somalis and iraqis). You don't win wars by jumping out of planes and carrying a gun anymore. I went through boot camp and I couldn't believe they're still giving me the same 1940's style military training. Seriously. If I was the enemy - I could kill any special forces just by having a 8 y/o girl walk towards him with a bomb on her back.

It's okay, let the Chiense, Isrealis, Indians and Russians figure this out and start winning the wars for us. That's the future anyways.

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[javaguru]

Navy seals are great, but this isn't 1945 anymore. Wars are won by nerds creating gps-guided missiles from high in the sky. War is a lot different now than the days of stormimg the beach in normandy. In 20 years, we'll have cyborg's and body armor suits.

Not to mention, all the training in the world ain't gonna prevent you from getting your ass blown while driving around in a hummer. Becoming special forces only means you're not expendable so the military won't put you on shitty "high death ratio" type assignments like patrol and checkpoints. That's what 18 y/o privates are for

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The Soviets experienced the greatest success in Afghanistan when they moved from conventional ops to inserting Spetsnaz behind the lines via helicopters to assassinate leaders and ambush the Mujaheddin. The US changed the equation by giving stinger missiles to the Mujaheddin....The US "won" the counter insurgency in the central highlands of Vietnam using Green berets and equipping the natives with weapons and providing leadership/training.

 

[PICK3]

The Soviets experienced the greatest success in Afghanistan when they moved from conventional ops to inserting Spetsnaz behind the lines via helicopters to assassinate leaders and ambush the Mujaheddin. The US changed the equation by giving stinger missiles to the Mujaheddin....The US "won" the counter insurgency in the central highlands of Vietnam using Green berets and equipping the natives with weapons and providing leadership/training.

inspired by Cutter's maneuvers

 

[javaguru]

inspired by Cutter's maneuvers

The manhole?

 

[redsamurai]

I do agree with a lot of what you just said. Spec Ops military personal are not pansies son. And being dropped 50 miles behind enemy lines in Afgan or Iraq ain't exactly be kept out of harms way. But most of the civilian fucks in this country know more about what goes on in war times anyways. LOLOLOLOLOL I never cease to be amazed at such shit as this.

and yet nobody was calling them pansies. I think the point was that their reputation is overblown by the american media hype machine that paints them as unstoppable cyborgs. Remember that competition on TV years back? I forget what it was called, but the SEALS were proven as awesome individual athletes.....but not so great on teamwork, they got shot up. If I remember correctly it was the SWAT cops that "owned" that comp.

 

[redsamurai]

Isrealis

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nah, you can scratch them off the list. Their time is just about up.

 

[javaguru]

and yet nobody was calling them pansies. I think the point was that their reputation is overblown by the american media hype machine that paints them as unstoppable cyborgs. Remember that competition on TV years back? I forget what it was called, but the SEALS were proven as awesome individual athletes.....but not so great on teamwork, they got shot up. If I remember correctly it was the SWAT cops that "owned" that comp.

Most Americans have been indoctrinated with the Rambo image of special forces. What people fail to realize, they all have specific missions and they are trained to achieve that mission. They aren't super men but they are trained to achieve their mission which makes them very good in their role. Delta are probably the best shooters and Green Berets are the best at organizing indigenous people and counterinsurgency.Seals are commandos that are great at their mission. What separates them from Joe Snuffy private is a certain level of determination, training and specialized equipment.

 

[binö]

and yet nobody was calling them pansies. I think the point was that their reputation is overblown by the american media hype machine that paints them as unstoppable cyborgs. Remember that competition on TV years back? I forget what it was called, but the SEALS were proven as awesome individual athletes.....but not so great on teamwork, they got shot up. If I remember correctly it was the SWAT cops that "owned" that comp.

their pt program i doubt anyone here could compete with them at.
having just gone thru a month of military lite training with military lite pt regiemes, no way i'm cut out for special ops from just the pt alone.
some quick miles and too much weight on your back props to them

 

[javaguru]

their pt program i doubt anyone here could compete with them at.
having just gone thru a month of military lite training with military lite pt regiemes, no way i'm cut out for special ops from just the pt alone.
some quick miles and too much weight on your back props to them

I went through a dive certification program with an instructor that was a former SEAL and I passed the SEAL standards for going to BUDS at the age of twelve. It isn't physical...it's mental. I prided myself on high PT scores but the most important thing I learned in BCT was when the drill sergeant explained the fact you haven't run too far or too fast until you passed out. BTW, military training in the army is lite by definition these days...I have friends that left in frustration even though they loved the Army.

 

[binö]

I went through a dive certification program with an instructor that was a former SEAL and I passed the SEAL standards for going to BUDS at the age of twelve. It isn't physical...it's mental. I prided myself on high PT scores but the most important thing I learned in BCT was when the drill sergeant explained the fact you haven't run too far or too fast until you passed out. BTW, military training in the army is lite by definition these days...I have friends that left in frustration even though they loved the Army.

lite or not, if you are a grunt esp in afgahnistan you are hiking mtns with weight.
hiking is what i do a lot of for my job, and maybe i'm a pussy, but it's hard as fuk.
esp with weight...so i respect the hell outta the scouts/recon/forward observers for humping sick weight
and surely grunts are carrying more than the 50 lbs i carry.

 

[javaguru]

lite or not, if you are a grunt esp in afgahnistan you are hiking mtns with weight.
hiking is what i do a lot of for my job, and maybe i'm a pussy, but it's hard as fuk.
esp with weight...so i respect the hell outta the scouts/recon/forward observers for humping sick weight
and surely grunts are carrying more than the 50 lbs i carry.

We carried sixty pounds in the rucksack plus LBE, weapons and other equipment on the Ranger Challenge Team at OSU. Honestly, it's all mental...I'm a really nice guy but my ex-wife was surprised at how I walked the mountains in Montana on our honeymoon...like a fiend on a mission. I was fat and out of shape by that time but I left her vegan "I'm so fit" ass in the dust.

 

[Whiskey]

Navy seals are great, but this isn't 1945 anymore. Wars are won by nerds creating gps-guided missiles from high in the sky.

In the first six months of the Iraq war, none of the smart bombs were on target. Long known fact. They were always close enough to mess up the intended target, BUT, tell the hospital full of people that it was "close enough."

Don't get me wrong, i'd rather we nuke'm all and then go in and just mass bury the dead, i'm just sayin

Whiskey