Please help me iron out my first aas cycle ever

[d_rson]

Too much orals for too long. Var has a misconception of being "mild" but it will effect your liver and it will kill your cholesterol. After running 5 weeks of tbol, the var will most definitely have adverse effects on your liver and your cholesterol will be in the tanker. I also think 80mg of Anavar is an overkill (unless it's way underdoses UG). I don't think your need a kickstart for your goals. Just do test with Var at the end.

 

[russiandave]

Too much orals for too long. Var has a misconception of being "mild" but it will effect your liver and it will kill your cholesterol. After running 5 weeks of tbol, the var will most definitely have adverse effects on your liver and your cholesterol will be in the tanker. I also think 80mg of Anavar is an overkill (unless it's way underdoses UG). I don't think your need a kickstart for your goals. Just do test with Var at the end.

Understood. Joe was giving me the same advice so I will take what both of you say into consideration and really learn from your experiences. So 80mg var is too high? How about 60mgs?{lol sounds good to me, var is pricey hahaha}

Oh you also bring up a goood point about bad and good cholesterol. I remember reading in one thread about superdosing on two specific vitamins that helped cholesterol naturally. Darn I forget the vitamins, possibly B or D. I need to search for it I will add that to my regiment as well. Id rather err on the side of caution.

If anyone else has any suggestions please feel free to toss them into the mix

 

[HarryHarry]

Understood. Joe was giving me the same advice so I will take what both of you say into consideration and really learn from your experiences. So 80mg var is too high? How about 60mgs?{lol sounds good to me, var is pricey hahaha}

Oh you also bring up a goood point about bad and good cholesterol. I remember reading in one thread about superdosing on two specific vitamins that helped cholesterol naturally. Darn I forget the vitamins, possibly B or D. I need to search for it I will add that to my regiment as well. Id rather err on the side of caution.

If anyone else has any suggestions please feel free to toss them into the mix

agree with d_rson that the orals are a tad overkill. The 80mgs anavar kinda takes away from its safty selling point. If you are set on using both orals try:

1-4 tbol @30mg
5-10 anavar @60mg

or...

Liquid inject anavar . Anavar doesnt need to always be in oral form wich some people forget

 

[russiandave]

agree with d_rson that the orals are a tad overkill. The 80mgs anavar kinda takes away from its safty selling point. If you are set on using both orals try:

1-4 tbol @30mg
5-10 anavar @60mg

or...

Liquid inject anavar . Anavar doesnt need to always be in oral form wich some people forget

Wait, If I inject the anavar, would it help to prevent the liver damage as well? But wait, thats an IM pin per day of var? or does it come in a long ester form as well?
This is what I have refined it down too:

5iu hgh 6/1
1-12 500 Test Cyp 2x 250 wk
7-12 60mgs Var ed
1-12 proviron ed
1-11 250 hcg 2x wk
1-12 liv52
1-12 milk thistle
.25 arimidex eod {i am prone to gyno}



pct
Clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

The only other things I can think to add is an oral in the beginning such as :

1-4 50 tbol ed

but then that would be a lot of time with orals in my system. and im not sure that is really ideal. the var is at the end of the cycle to help cut obviously.

and something for cholesterol since var can impact it. some vitamins or something
I am wondering if taking the tbol in the beginning is going to be worth it as a jumpstart.



as usual, please feel free to chime in on refining it more. such as pct refinement and changes, dosages etc. also, does anyone know what is good for cholesterol?

thanks guys. once i get this totally ironed out, i can place my order.

 

[d_rson]

I don't think you need to start the HCG until week 3 or so, and run it to week 13. Then start PCT in week 14, 1-1.5 weeks after last pin. Drop the clomid, hate the stuff. Run Nolva 20/20/10/10, Sustain Alpha LV for 4 weeks as directed, and Unleashed for 4 weeks as directed. The HCG in week 13 will help you cruise into PCT as the Test is fading out.

I'd run the Var weeks 9-14. Don't end the var in week 12 as your Test is still lingering for 2 weeks. I'd run the Proviron weeks 3-14 too, or atleast weeks 2-13. This opens the door for you to kickstart with tbol if you must, and gives you 4 weeks between the 4 week kickstart and the var starting in week 9. What I would do if you go tbol kickstart is get a blood test at week 8 and see where you are liver wise to make sure you want to start the var after the tbol (make sure they do a GGT test, and look at your TBIL, GGT, AST and ALT as a whole). Might end up being bad and put a slight damper on your cutting, but it would be safe. The proviron and test might end up being enough to cut on with good diet. Just be safe.

For cholesterol - Red Yeast Rice, COQ10, Niacin 1500mg before bed, Garlic supplements, etc.

 

[Jhotsauce7]

5iu hgh 6/1
1-12 500 Test Cyp 2x 250 wk
7-12 60mgs var ed
1-12 proviron ed
1-11 250 hcg 2x wk
1-12 liv52
1-12 milk thistle
.25 Arimidex eod {i am prone to gyno}



PCT
Clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
ist
- You aren't taking anything that is super harsh on your liver. The tbol may make your values a little temporarily wacky, however it is a very mild steroid and does not 'require' you to take liv 52/milk thistle. If you were drinking pleanty of water that would probably be enough. I have known many people to take tbol for far longer than you could take a harsh 17aa oral, with no issues. Var is also very mild.

If you decide to take liv 52 or milk thistle, you may if you prefer but really not needed. The main active ingredient in liv 52, actually is milk thistle by the way though LOL.

You may get high blood pressure from this cycle. Get Hathorn berry EXTRACT. dont get the root, but the extract. take it 2 pills 2 to 3 times a day if you start getting a tingly, hot flash type of feeling or if you have a way to monitor your BP and know for certain when it's getting high. This will be wise.

HCG, once again .. not required. This is a VERY mild cycle. I wouldn't even run it during the cycle if I were going to use it at all. (I really, really wouldn't run HCG at all during or after this cycle) but if I did I would use it in the week leading up to PCT, after you have taken your final pin.

"hcg will get your testes to produce testosterone by mimicing LH but will still send negative feedback to your Hypothalamus and you will still hinder production of GnRH therefore your HPTA will NOT recover. hcg should be reserved to kick start a PCT for someone thats been on a cycle for 6months or more and for reproductive reasons while on a cycle."

Unless you are trying to make babies, skip the hcg!!!!

Tbol is awesome but you wont want to run it for less than 6 weeks.. this seems to be the magic number and for whaever unknown reason, after 5 or 6 weeks thats when the magic starts happening with tbol. I ran it for 8 weeks with perfect blood values 2 weeks following (with test/low dose tren a), and can vouch for this theory. tbol made many great workouts. No crazy strength or weight gains, but improves intensity of workouts, and a general feeling of wellbeing and some added motivation to boot.

you would be fine with 40mg var, 40mg tbol bro.

I didn't see where you mentioned why you are taking the pro v but I am assuming to keep the water off? That's all it's really good for...

adex dose looks good.

Good luck. As long as you keep your diet and good training sessions you should keep some solid gains from this.

 

[russiandave]

drson and hotsauce, thx for the feedback. i made notes of all the stuff you said to get for cholesterol and high blood pressure.

I think I am going to skip the tbol for this cycle. I am getting bloodwork done thursday morning. I wrote down the ggt test info to ask for.

Thanks again guys. Im stoked

 

[RADAR]

5iu hgh 6/1
1-12 500 Test Cyp 2x 250 wk
7-12 60mgs var ed
1-12 proviron ed
1-11 250 hcg 2x wk
1-12 liv52
1-12 milk thistle
.25 Arimidex eod {i am prone to gyno}



PCT
Clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20
ist
- You aren't taking anything that is super harsh on your liver. The tbol may make your values a little temporarily wacky, however it is a very mild steroid and does not 'require' you to take liv 52/milk thistle. If you were drinking pleanty of water that would probably be enough. I have known many people to take tbol for far longer than you could take a harsh 17aa oral, with no issues. Var is also very mild.

If you decide to take liv 52 or milk thistle, you may if you prefer but really not needed. The main active ingredient in liv 52, actually is milk thistle by the way though LOL.

You may get high blood pressure from this cycle. Get Hathorn berry EXTRACT. dont get the root, but the extract. take it 2 pills 2 to 3 times a day if you start getting a tingly, hot flash type of feeling or if you have a way to monitor your BP and know for certain when it's getting high. This will be wise.

HCG, once again .. not required. This is a VERY mild cycle. I wouldn't even run it during the cycle if I were going to use it at all. (I really, really wouldn't run HCG at all during or after this cycle) but if I did I would use it in the week leading up to PCT, after you have taken your final pin.

"hcg will get your testes to produce testosterone by mimicing LH but will still send negative feedback to your Hypothalamus and you will still hinder production of GnRH therefore your HPTA will NOT recover. hcg should be reserved to kick start a PCT for someone thats been on a cycle for 6months or more and for reproductive reasons while on a cycle."

Unless you are trying to make babies, skip the hcg!!!!

Tbol is awesome but you wont want to run it for less than 6 weeks.. this seems to be the magic number and for whaever unknown reason, after 5 or 6 weeks thats when the magic starts happening with tbol. I ran it for 8 weeks with perfect blood values 2 weeks following (with test/low dose tren a), and can vouch for this theory. tbol made many great workouts. No crazy strength or weight gains, but improves intensity of workouts, and a general feeling of wellbeing and some added motivation to boot.

you would be fine with 40mg var, 40mg tbol bro.

I didn't see where you mentioned why you are taking the pro v but I am assuming to keep the water off? That's all it's really good for...

adex dose looks good.

Good luck. As long as you keep your diet and good training sessions you should keep some solid gains from this.

Quality post there

RADAR