How strong Do I have to be for D-1 Football

[NBAfan#21]

Jesus christ.......
Lets try this:

With ball busting work you might be able to get that 4.7 down to a 4.6 , shaving a TENTH of a second off.

I was just joking. I know what you meant. lol.

But with that said i think he could get down to 4.5 with about 2 years of specific speed training.

 

[artificialaspirations]

yeah, this thread is getting pretty discouraging and I hate to see that. By training explosively, you should be able to accelerate your weight better. Staying lean will be key.

I wish there was a set answer on reps in the combine but there isn't. The good news is that you sound stronger than most. Now you need to work on speed. It may be helpful to swith the deca with eq. It may help with endurance and speed. It works for dogs and horses.

good luck to you.

 

[timtim]

I was just joking. I know what you meant. lol.

But with that said i think he could get down to 4.5 with about 2 years of specific speed training.

no way dude. 2 tenths of second is not being cut off of an adults time. speed has so much more to do with the body than pure strength. that is barely a factor. the weight of the calf pulling through the ground, the time it takes to recoil the foot to the ass and drive the knee forward (which the height of the knee drive is dependent on flexibility and the elastic potential of the hip joint), the time it takes to drop the leg down, keep the toes up, and pull through the ground again. running is all science. its not get strong, train explosively, and you will be faster. if he cut 1 tenth off his time that would be huge. and its electronic times, none of my friends timed me on their stop watches times. also, who want to train for 2 years to cut .2 off their time? pointless.

 

[NBAfan#21]

no way dude. 2 tenths of second is not being cut off of an adults time. speed has so much more to do with the body than pure strength. that is barely a factor. the weight of the calf pulling through the ground, the time it takes to recoil the foot to the ass and drive the knee forward (which the height of the knee drive is dependent on flexibility and the elastic potential of the hip joint), the time it takes to drop the leg down, keep the toes up, and pull through the ground again. running is all science. its not get strong, train explosively, and you will be faster. if he cut 1 tenth off his time that would be huge. and its electronic times, none of my friends timed me on their stop watches times. also, who want to train for 2 years to cut .2 off their time? pointless.

Actually someone who never trained on being faster will make some quick gains and .2 could be cut off in a year only. He never worked to be faster before. If he based his workout on agility, flexibility, explosivity and speed training he could get to his goal faster than anyone thinks. Practicing the technical aspect will help alot too.

He has 0 experience in this kind of training so his potential is still huge. Usain Bolt didnt wake up one day and ran a 100m in 9.51 seconds. I bet you he was around the 10second mark when he started and now he cut off about .5 seconds off his 100 meter sprint

also check out those testimonials on defranco: http://www.defrancostraining.com/testimonials.html

some of those guys gained 15+lbs and still managed to cut off time of their 40 yard dash at the same time

 

[timtim]

Actually someone who never trained on being faster will make some quick gains and .2 could be cut off in a year only. He never worked to be faster before. If he based his workout on agility, flexibility, explosivity and speed training he could get to his goal faster than anyone thinks. Practicing the technical aspect will help alot too.

He has 0 experience in this kind of training so his potential is still huge. Usain Bolt didnt wake up one day and ran a 100m in 9.51 seconds. I bet you he was around the 10second mark when he started and now he cut off about .5 seconds off his 100 meter sprint

also check out those testimonials on defranco: Testimonials

some of those guys gained 15+lbs and still managed to cut off time of their 40 yard dash at the same time

i know joe d. very well and worked in his industry for a period of time. im not going to argue with someone who refers me to a site to back up his claim. im going off what i saw for years. and just to let you know, all those "speed" and strength industry people believe in the strength aspect and think the running is a joke. a detrained athlete will make gains. someone in fantastic shape like gladiator is not a normal person. he is pretty well trained and experienced. just because you add in a few gimmicky exercises, doesnt mean hell all of the sudden be fast enough.

someone running a 5.1 can get in shape and run a 4.8. sure. someone who is on aas and in great shape already will not make the gains you think. if that was the case, all the avergae guys running 4.7 would miraculously be able to run 4.5 with some training. and from alot of personal experience, people dont do that. thats why there are average speed people and the burners. you cant teach speed.

elite speed is elite because not everyone can attain it. bringing up bolt in a discussion about trying to run below 4.7 is ridiculous. the fastest man in the world. he has this title for a reason. lets try and compare apples to apples.

 

[NBAfan#21]

i know joe d. very well and worked in his industry for a period of time. im not going to argue with someone who refers me to a site to back up his claim. im going off what i saw for years. and just to let you know, all those "speed" and strength industry people believe in the strength aspect and think the running is a joke. a detrained athlete will make gains. someone in fantastic shape like gladiator is not a normal person. he is pretty well trained and experienced. just because you add in a few gimmicky exercises, doesnt mean hell all of the sudden be fast enough.

someone running a 5.1 can get in shape and run a 4.8. sure. someone who is on aas and in great shape already will not make the gains you think. if that was the case, all the avergae guys running 4.7 would miraculously be able to run 4.5 with some training. and from alot of personal experience, people dont do that. thats why there are average speed people and the burners. you cant teach speed.

elite speed is elite because not everyone can attain it. bringing up bolt in a discussion about trying to run below 4.7 is ridiculous. the fastest man in the world. he has this title for a reason. lets try and compare apples to apples.

So in other words you are telling me that if we take a guy with great strength and put him on a speed training workout only he wouldnt be able to cut off .2 of his 40 yard dash even if he never trained for it? Simply working on the technique can give you instant results. Imagine if you do it for a year and work on other aspects at the same time for a year.

Im pretty sure none of the professionnal sprinters are stronger than professionnal powerlifters. That's a proof that strength isn't the only aspect of being fast. The only training Gladiator did in his life was powerlifting, strength training an bodybuilding. If he decided to work on his flexibility, agility, etc he would improve even more. Do you believe that none of the powerlifters could get faster than they are now with speed training?

As for your example of all 4.7 guys would be able to get down to 4.5 the reasons they can't is : 1) they don't have the motivation to follow a strict speed training workout, 2) they don't train right, 3) they were training for a long time already and are at the limit of their potential.

My point is that anyone who is knew at something will make some progress. My Usain Bolt example wasn't to compare him to Gladiator. My point (that you obviously missed) was that even though he is an elite sprinter like you said he still made big progress from his starting point.

Oh and Joe D didnt only trained ''detrained'' athletes. The guys he trained were all great athletes (or professionnal players) who managed to gain weight and cut down on their 40 time as well.

 

[timtim]

So in other words you are telling me that if we take a guy with great strength and put him on a speed training workout only he wouldnt be able to cut off .2 of his 40 yard dash even if he never trained for it? Simply working on the technique can give you instant results. Imagine if you do it for a year and work on other aspects at the same time for a year.

Im pretty sure none of the professionnal sprinters are stronger than professionnal powerlifters. That's a proof that strength isn't the only aspect of being fast. The only training Gladiator did in his life was powerlifting, strength training an bodybuilding. If he decided to work on his flexibility, agility, etc he would improve even more. Do you believe that none of the powerlifters could get faster than they are now with speed training?

As for your example of all 4.7 guys would be able to get down to 4.5 the reasons they can't is : 1) they don't have the motivation to follow a strict speed training workout, 2) they don't train right, 3) they were training for a long time already and are at the limit of their potential.

My point is that anyone who is knew at something will make some progress. My Usain Bolt example wasn't to compare him to Gladiator. My point (that you obviously missed) was that even though he is an elite sprinter like you said he still made big progress from his starting point.

Oh and Joe D didnt only trained ''detrained'' athletes. The guys he trained were all great athletes (or professionnal players) who managed to gain weight and cut down on their 40 time as well.

i was there seeing these guys cut their times. and youd be amazed how many D1 guys put on 20 pounds of lard after the season ends or have never in their life eaten healthy. give them a strict diet, have them lift and run all day, and ya the times went down - from the lineman and linebackers. the skill and speed guys (corners, d-backs, running backs, safeties) are already running in the elite category. they arent shaving .2 off. and i am telling you, you will never be able to teach elite speed. never. ever. you believe those xenadrine adds in the magazines cause i know a bunch of those before and after guys and their before and after pics were a year or more apart. you can take someone from 5.0 to 4.8, yea, but they are still slow. you cant take someone from 4.7 and bring them to the elite category. get it through your head, elite speed is elite for a reason. if you truely believe you can shave .2 off of a 4.6 or 4.5 runner, go for it. make sure to record every 40 with an electronic finger pad timer and produce the results for all to see.

if you think bolt wasnt the fastest runner in the world since day 1, youre wrong. that is who he is. no training brought that out. he was made to be that. just like all elite runners are made to be that fast. fucking a dude, the guy you keep quoting would be laughing at you right now and simply retort with you cant teach speed. its a known fact. can you make slow people less slow. YES. can you make burners out of average runners? NEVER. EVER. and technigue works best for vertical jumping and shuttle runs. all the technique in the world wont make your calf lighter, hips more flexible, and cns faster so your feet are on the ground for the least amount of time possible.

im done here. you can make all the claims from other people you like and it still wont trump me seeing what youre trying to explain to me like i saw 6 days a week for a bunch of years. you obviously are too thick in the head to believe that elite speed (like elite bbing genetics, elite powerlifting genetics, elite baseball throwing genetics, etc) exist. if your claims were true, wed all be able to train to run 4.3s. ive seen about 6 or 7 electronic 4.3s in my life out of future pros. thats how rare it is.

 

[the.gladiator1987]

i was there seeing these guys cut their times. and youd be amazed how many D1 guys put on 20 pounds of lard after the season ends or have never in their life eaten healthy. give them a strict diet, have them lift and run all day, and ya the times went down - from the lineman and linebackers. the skill and speed guys (corners, d-backs, running backs, safeties) are already running in the elite category. they arent shaving .2 off. and i am telling you, you will never be able to teach elite speed. never. ever. you believe those xenadrine adds in the magazines cause i know a bunch of those before and after guys and their before and after pics were a year or more apart. you can take someone from 5.0 to 4.8, yea, but they are still slow. you cant take someone from 4.7 and bring them to the elite category. get it through your head, elite speed is elite for a reason. if you truely believe you can shave .2 off of a 4.6 or 4.5 runner, go for it. make sure to record every 40 with an electronic finger pad timer and produce the results for all to see.

if you think bolt wasnt the fastest runner in the world since day 1, youre wrong. that is who he is. no training brought that out. he was made to be that. just like all elite runners are made to be that fast. fucking a dude, the guy you keep quoting would be laughing at you right now and simply retort with you cant teach speed. its a known fact. can you make slow people less slow. YES. can you make burners out of average runners? NEVER. EVER. and technigue works best for vertical jumping and shuttle runs. all the technique in the world wont make your calf lighter, hips more flexible, and cns faster so your feet are on the ground for the least amount of time possible.

im done here. you can make all the claims from other people you like and it still wont trump me seeing what youre trying to explain to me like i saw 6 days a week for a bunch of years. you obviously are too thick in the head to believe that elite speed (like elite bbing genetics, elite powerlifting genetics, elite baseball throwing genetics, etc) exist. if your claims were true, wed all be able to train to run 4.3s. ive seen about 6 or 7 electronic 4.3s in my life out of future pros. thats how rare it is.

All those guys that run 4.4, 4.3 train for speed. I dont. I was just born kinda fast but i dont think im as fast as i ever will be. I dont train for speed. Who said anything about me getting down to a 4.3? We arent talking from 4.5 to 4.3, were saying 4.7 to 4.5.

 

[timtim]

All those guys that run 4.4, 4.3 train for speed. I dont. I was just born kinda fast but i dont think im as fast as i ever will be. I dont train for speed. Who said anything about me getting down to a 4.3? We arent talking from 4.5 to 4.3, were saying 4.7 to 4.5.

go for it. most people here have no clue what "training for speed is". its preseason prep. thats all. shaving .2 off of a time is a large feet. did you get electronically tested or hand held? hand held really is very inaccurate. add .2 to .4 with hand held. finger pad electronic tested is all that counts. foot pads dont count because if you start with your lead leg on the pad you get 1 free stride, which just happens to be the most important. and yes, getting to 4.5 is a very large feet. its funny how lightly some things are taken. very little respect here for people who have elite speed, ie, people think speed is just simply attainable and i assure you all its not. i find that strange. do your best bro. go for it, which ive said before. im talking about shaving 40s, not whether youll succeed or not.

 

[NBAfan#21]

i was there seeing these guys cut their times. and youd be amazed how many D1 guys put on 20 pounds of lard after the season ends or have never in their life eaten healthy. give them a strict diet, have them lift and run all day, and ya the times went down - from the lineman and linebackers. the skill and speed guys (corners, d-backs, running backs, safeties) are already running in the elite category. they arent shaving .2 off. and i am telling you, you will never be able to teach elite speed. never. ever. you believe those xenadrine adds in the magazines cause i know a bunch of those before and after guys and their before and after pics were a year or more apart. you can take someone from 5.0 to 4.8, yea, but they are still slow. you cant take someone from 4.7 and bring them to the elite category. get it through your head, elite speed is elite for a reason. if you truely believe you can shave .2 off of a 4.6 or 4.5 runner, go for it. make sure to record every 40 with an electronic finger pad timer and produce the results for all to see.

if you think bolt wasnt the fastest runner in the world since day 1, youre wrong. that is who he is. no training brought that out. he was made to be that. just like all elite runners are made to be that fast. fucking a dude, the guy you keep quoting would be laughing at you right now and simply retort with you cant teach speed. its a known fact. can you make slow people less slow. YES. can you make burners out of average runners? NEVER. EVER. and technigue works best for vertical jumping and shuttle runs. all the technique in the world wont make your calf lighter, hips more flexible, and cns faster so your feet are on the ground for the least amount of time possible.

im done here. you can make all the claims from other people you like and it still wont trump me seeing what youre trying to explain to me like i saw 6 days a week for a bunch of years. you obviously are too thick in the head to believe that elite speed (like elite bbing genetics, elite powerlifting genetics, elite baseball throwing genetics, etc) exist. if your claims were true, wed all be able to train to run 4.3s. ive seen about 6 or 7 electronic 4.3s in my life out of future pros. thats how rare it is.

Do you consider 4.5 as an elite speed and something that is impossible to reach? I dont know why you keep bringing 4.3 in the discussion because the only thing i said is he could get down to 4.5 with hard work and that isnt something way out of reach. Also if you check most of the guys that ran the 40 in 4.3 they worked hard to get to that point and they probably started with a 4.4.

Also you didnt answer the powerlifter vs sprinters questions. Try to answer this: Why do the elite sprinters follow a training routine if the elite speed is genetic and like you said it doesnt require that much technique. Do you think they go to the olympics unprepared and simply run with their natural talent?

Bolt wasn't the fastest runner since day 1 by the way. I think reading his biography will enlighten you. At 20 years old he ran the 200m in 19.88 seconds. At 23 years old he ran it in 19.19 seconds. How did he manage to cut down .69 of his time? Did he sit on his couch and said : ''Oh i'm an elite runner already. I dont need to practice and i'll beat my personnal record at the olympics.''

As for his 100m race. His first personnal best time was 10.03 . Now his personnal best dropped to 9.58 . Please explain to me how he did that since you seem to know so much and tell me that training for speed and technique has nothing to do with it. His elite genetics didnt simply improve from 20 to 23 years old.

Its true that he had elite genetics but he wasn't the fastest since day 1 and he worked hard to earn his spot. At the time the best runners were Asafa Powell and Tyson Gay and they used to beat Bolt all the time. Now its different. What changed?