Where are all the blood tests?

[centeroiler]

I'm curious why supplement companies don't provide blood tests proving that their products raise testosterone as claimed?

 

[dmc777]

I'm curious why supplement companies don't provide blood tests proving that their products raise testosterone as claimed?

Oddly enough I just asked the same question in the Needto's new product thread lol.....

 

[jokerswild]

somebody is going to have to step up and be the lab rat, someone who preferably is not on any supps or AAS and has never used AAS or has been clean for some time, get bloodwork done, start a cycle of lets say beastdrol, four weeks later get blood work done, post results, any volunteers?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I have posted blood tests for UNLEASHED and several members have posted their blood tests after using it.

 

[needtogetaas]

somebody is going to have to step up and be the lab rat, someone who preferably is not on any supps or AAS and has never used AAS or has been clean for some time, get bloodwork done, start a cycle of lets say beastdrol, four weeks later get blood work done, post results, any volunteers?

AAAAHHH what would we be looking for in the blood test after beastdrol?

 

[jokerswild]

AAAAHHH what would we be looking for in the blood test after beastdrol?

Test #'s of course, as well as ldl/hdl...

 

[needtogetaas]

If I had shit loads of money to throw at stuff like this I would. I hope to have it some day though. When I do I will. Till then feel free to do all the testing ya like on products I put out. I'll say this though. Even though I am not making big bank like the major sup companies out there I still offer what no other will. Money back with out question if you are truly unhappy with the products.

Maybe the name forged post cycle has not been blood tested. Maybe the name beastdrol has not been tested. But the ingredients in them have. And the ingredients in them have been tested,studied and written about in medical journals,pubmed,articles from major universities and more many times over.

So I guess if you had to ask a question about testing it would be. Are the ingredients in the products tested? I have already shown them to be pure and anytime some one wants to see the prof of that feel free to send me a pm and I will send it to you.

In the end all I really care about it helping people. Anyway I can. I will be doing that till I am forced not to.

 

[needtogetaas]

Test #'s of course, as well as ldl/hdl...

Well I am not scared of people getting bllod test well they are on beastdrol in fact i welcome it very much so. Please do guys.

 

[GDF]

I had a blood test the day after my 7.5 week Monsterdrol/Cyclotren/Dermacrine. My HDL was 9 and my LDL was 199 Total cholesterol was 239. My Dr. did not run test levels but the hdl/ldl ratio was horrendous. I am having another blood test in two weeks to see if it is normalizing, which it should be.

 

[centeroiler]

Well I am not scared of people getting bllod test well they are on beastdrol in fact i welcome it very much so. Please do guys.

I think its safe to say that Beastdrol is the real deal as an OTC steroid. I'm talking more about the so-called testosterone "boosters".

 

[jokerswild]

Well I am not scared of people getting bllod test well they are on beastdrol in fact i welcome it very much so. Please do guys.

yea, I think it would boost sales through the roof if you could show how high it rasied test levels through bloodwork, like I said it would take much time or money, 1 volunteer, 1 month and two blood tests and you got it...

 

[dabuffguy]

yea, I think it would boost sales through the roof if you could show how high it rasied test levels through bloodwork, like I said it would take much time or money, 1 volunteer, 1 month and two blood tests and you got it...

Please understand something:


Beastdrol does NOT increase testosterone levels.


It is a hormone all itself. It will actually decrease your natural testosterone production, which is why you need PCT to restore it.



It enters the blood stream as an active hormone, and your body counteracts higher hormone levels by decreasing your own natural production of testosterone. Except, with 20 or 30mg daily of the Beast, your total anabolic hormone levels are about 3.5-5X higher than they should be. However, the hormone in your blood is not testosterone, but is methasteron( superdrol hormone).

You will test positive for steroids if you use it and are tested.

 

[centeroiler]

I have posted blood tests for UNLEASHED and several members have posted their blood tests after using it.

Cool. I'd like to see these. I did a search but there are a LOT of unrelated threads, so I gave up after a few pages. Do you have a link?

 

[bbock7272]

How are these supplements over the counter if they havn't gone through any testing? I was under the opinion that testing in animals/people was a requirement of the industry. I would guess that an ingredient list shouldn't suffice since sourcing of the ingredients and packaging of the ingredients can easily change the final product.

 

[needtogetaas]

Please understand something:


Beastdrol does NOT increase testosterone levels.


It is a hormone all itself. It will actually decrease your natural testosterone production, which is why you need PCT to restore it.



It enters the blood stream as an active hormone, and your body counteracts higher hormone levels by decreasing your own natural production of testosterone. Except, with 20 or 30mg daily of the Beast, your total anabolic hormone levels are about 3.5-5X higher than they should be. However, the hormone in your blood is not testosterone, but is methasteron( superdrol hormone).

You will test positive for steroids if you use it and are tested.

Ya I was wondering when some one would get the clue lol..

 

[dabuffguy]

How are these supplements over the counter if they havn't gone through any testing? I was under the opinion that testing in animals/people was a requirement of the industry. I would guess that an ingredient list shouldn't suffice since sourcing of the ingredients and packaging of the ingredients can easily change the final product.

These compounds have existed since the 1960's bro. I believe superdrol was formulated by the same guy that created oxymetholone (anadrol).

 

[centeroiler]

Ya I was wondering when some one would get the clue lol..

Umm...I did.

Quote by Centeroiler:

"I think its safe to say that Beastdrol is the real deal as an OTC steroid. I'm talking more about the so-called testosterone "boosters"."

I'd venture to say it'll shut your nuts off right quick too. So much for the Test test.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Umm...I did.

Quote by Centeroiler:

"I think its safe to say that Beastdrol is the real deal as an OTC steroid. I'm talking more about the so-called testosterone "boosters"."

I'd venture to say it'll shut your nuts off right quick too. So much for the Test test.

UNLEASHED and Beastdrol can not be more different. Beastdrol IS a hormone. It's a steroid. It will raise T higher than possible naturally, but it will suppress.

UNLEASHED lowers SHBG so the body has less of its own testosterone in a bound state and thereby more active. It is 100% non suppresive. It can not suppress since it works with one's natural testosterone, making it more bioavailable and does not add any exogenously.

 

[jokerswild]

Please understand something:


Beastdrol does NOT increase testosterone levels.


It is a hormone all itself. It will actually decrease your natural testosterone production, which is why you need PCT to restore it.



It enters the blood stream as an active hormone, and your body counteracts higher hormone levels by decreasing your own natural production of testosterone. Except, with 20 or 30mg daily of the Beast, your total anabolic hormone levels are about 3.5-5X higher than they should be. However, the hormone in your blood is not testosterone, but is methasteron( superdrol hormone).

You will test positive for steroids if you use it and are tested.

Uh I do blood tests regularly and anytime i take any AAS my Test levels are off the chart so unless i'm missing something here beastdrol should if legit also send them off the chart....

 

[centeroiler]

UNLEASHED and Beastdrol can not be more different. Beastdrol IS a hormone. It's a steroid. It will raise T higher than possible naturally, but it will suppress.

UNLEASHED lowers SHBG so the body has less of its own testosterone in a bound state and thereby more active. It is 100% non suppresive. It can not suppress since it works with one's natural testosterone, making it more bioavailable and does not add any exogenously.

I totally understand what you are saying. That's why I said in my post that Beastdrol is a steroid and that I was taking about testosterone "boosters" (or enhancers which is what you could say Unleashed is).

 

[needtogetaas]

Uh I do blood tests regularly and anytime i take any AAS my Test levels are off the chart so unless i'm missing something here beastdrol should if legit also send them off the chart....

How about this. I will give you a bottle of beastdrol. You will take it 3 caps everyday and you will get damn good results. There is no doubt in my mind about that. you will get on par if not better then any oral steroid you have ever taken type results.

Now you do yourself a blood test well you are on it. What ever the results I could care less. And after you see the results you get I am sure you will not give a crap ether.

Send me your address in a pm. lets get this rolling.

 

[dabuffguy]

Uh I do blood tests regularly and anytime i take any AAS my Test levels are off the chart so unless i'm missing something here beastdrol should if legit also send them off the chart....

Well, if you also use testosterone in your cycles then I wouldn't be surprised.


Not a single AAS besides testosterone increases testosterone.

If the hormone isn't testosterone it supresses your own production and therefore doesn't raise your testosterone levels, it will decrease them.


It will replace your testosterone with whatever hormones you are using.

 

[needtogetaas]

Well, if you also use testosterone in your cycles then I wouldn't be surprised.


Not a single AAS besides testosterone increases testosterone.

If the hormone isn't testosterone it supresses your own production and therefore doesn't raise your testosterone levels, it will decrease them.


It will replace your testosterone with whatever hormones you are using.

The Causes of Inhibition

Elevated hormone levels, in general, will cause inhibition of natural testosterone production. Many bodybuilders have come to believe that elevated estrogen levels alone are the sole cause of inhibition, and believe that by blocking estrogen, they can block inhibition.

This is not true. For example, consider the results seen in the second 2-on / 4-off cycle case study reported on Meso-Rx where Jim used 50 mg/day of trenbolone acetate, which does not aromatize, 50 mg/day of Dianabol, which does aromatize, with 250 mg/day of Cytadren as an aromatase inhibitor and 50 mg/day Clomid as an estrogen receptor blocker. His estrogen levels remained in the normal range, though elevated from baseline, since apparently the Cytadren was not sufficient to block aromatization completely. The Clomid should easily have been able to overcome normal estrogen levels, and so if the estrogen-only theory of inhibition were correct, Jim should have been suffering no inhibition. But the fact is, his testosterone levels dropped to only 1/10 his baseline value. Estrogen alone was not the cause of his inhibition. It could not have been the cause of any of it, given the normal levels and the Clomid use.

So much for the estrogen-only theory of inhibition that has been claimed by other writers. That isn’t to say, though, that estrogen is not also inhibitory: it is.

What then besides estrogen can cause inhibition? DHT, which does not aromatize, has been extensively shown to cause inhibition of testosterone production. Androgen alone, then, is sufficient to cause inhibition. In Jim’s case, androgen use was moderately heavy, and androgen alone would seem the cause of the inhibition.

Progesterone is another hormone that can cause inhibition, when used long-term. Paradoxically, in the short term it can be stimulatory. Other relevant factors include beta agonists, opiates, melatonin, prolactin, and probably other compounds. With the exception of beta agonists (e.g. ephedrine and Clenbuterol) and opiates (natural endorphins on the one hand being inhibitory, and Nubain blocking such inhibition) manipulation of these would not seem useful in bodybuilding.


it can't be true????? lmao

 

[centeroiler]

I have to give props to Primordial Performance. Eric at PP has provided the test kits for me do blood work while using Sustain Alpha while on-cycle to show the actual increase in LH and FSH while on AAS. Everyone knows that SA is a great product from all the comments posted on here. Now we'll be able to see first hand just how effective it is with tests to back it up. Cool!

 

[2evil]

I have to give props to Primordial Performance. Eric at PP has provided the test kits for me do blood work while using Sustain Alpha while on-cycle to show the actual increase in LH and FSH while on AAS. Everyone knows that SA is a great product from all the comments posted on here. Now we'll be able to see first hand just how effective it is with tests to back it up. Cool!

I did this as well and the lab fucked up my samples. Too much to explain here but I'm convinced sustain can easily replace hcg while on. I look forward to hearing about your results!

 

[jokerswild]

How about this. I will give you a bottle of beastdrol. You will take it 3 caps everyday and you will get damn good results. There is no doubt in my mind about that. you will get on par if not better then any oral steroid you have ever taken type results.

Now you do yourself a blood test well you are on it. What ever the results I could care less. And after you see the results you get I am sure you will not give a crap ether.

Send me your address in a pm. lets get this rolling.

LOL I already ordered some from your store last week bro remember? Besides I wouldn't be a good candidate because I'm taking tren/test with mine, we need someone who is clean to be the lab rat...

 

[dmc777]

The Causes of Inhibition

Elevated hormone levels, in general, will cause inhibition of natural testosterone production. Many bodybuilders have come to believe that elevated estrogen levels alone are the sole cause of inhibition, and believe that by blocking estrogen, they can block inhibition.

This is not true. For example, consider the results seen in the second 2-on / 4-off cycle case study reported on Meso-Rx where Jim used 50 mg/day of trenbolone acetate, which does not aromatize, 50 mg/day of Dianabol, which does aromatize, with 250 mg/day of Cytadren as an aromatase inhibitor and 50 mg/day Clomid as an estrogen receptor blocker. His estrogen levels remained in the normal range, though elevated from baseline, since apparently the Cytadren was not sufficient to block aromatization completely. The Clomid should easily have been able to overcome normal estrogen levels, and so if the estrogen-only theory of inhibition were correct, Jim should have been suffering no inhibition. But the fact is, his testosterone levels dropped to only 1/10 his baseline value. Estrogen alone was not the cause of his inhibition. It could not have been the cause of any of it, given the normal levels and the Clomid use.

So much for the estrogen-only theory of inhibition that has been claimed by other writers. That isn’t to say, though, that estrogen is not also inhibitory: it is.

What then besides estrogen can cause inhibition? DHT, which does not aromatize, has been extensively shown to cause inhibition of testosterone production. Androgen alone, then, is sufficient to cause inhibition. In Jim’s case, androgen use was moderately heavy, and androgen alone would seem the cause of the inhibition.

Progesterone is another hormone that can cause inhibition, when used long-term. Paradoxically, in the short term it can be stimulatory. Other relevant factors include beta agonists, opiates, melatonin, prolactin, and probably other compounds. With the exception of beta agonists (e.g. ephedrine and Clenbuterol) and opiates (natural endorphins on the one hand being inhibitory, and Nubain blocking such inhibition) manipulation of these would not seem useful in bodybuilding.


it can't be true????? lmao

Good post. Isn't Deca a form of Progesterone or is it Progestin....maybe the same thing I don't know. I know it's a nandrolone. But to my question, if it is a progesterone or whatever, I thought Deca was EXTREMELY suppressive even with one shot? I'm a little confused here lol...

BTW Needto, I'll take a bottle of Forged post cycle and take it pct and provide bloodwork lol...

 

[needtogetaas]

I have to give props to Primordial Performance. Eric at PP has provided the test kits for me do blood work while using Sustain Alpha while on-cycle to show the actual increase in LH and FSH while on AAS. Everyone knows that SA is a great product from all the comments posted on here. Now we'll be able to see first hand just how effective it is with tests to back it up. Cool!

I was the first person standing behind Primordal. I fought tooth and nail for them when they first came to this forum. 100 page threads of me trying to prove the point that the products work. At the time No blood test,no one standing with me, no needto love from no one. Just me battling everyone.

I said they worked then like I am saying my products work now. PP products have worked and have become some of the best around. I fought because I knew the products were going to help people. Going to be better then what they use now. I put in so many hours helping people I lost count 4 years ago.

When I know something is good its good. If I have to go threw the same process 100 times every time I know something is a working product I will. The time I put in and the work I did becomes distant memories for me and forgotten,unseen,under appreciated relics to others.

I will put my life into helping people on this forum like I have for years now. And if no one remembers or cares when its all said and don. I will still know for myself what I did, where my heart was. Why I did it all.


Its cool. Even I need to be reminded once in a wile what all the work is for. Bring me back down to the people and the members. My friends and family here in the site. The thousands of people helped, the lives changed. The friends made and lost.

Elites much more then a place of business for me and always has been. In the end to hell with products. You guys are what its all about.

Thanks

 

[ConanX]

I have to give props to Primordial Performance. Eric at PP has provided the test kits for me do blood work while using Sustain Alpha while on-cycle to show the actual increase in LH and FSH while on AAS. Everyone knows that SA is a great product from all the comments posted on here. Now we'll be able to see first hand just how effective it is with tests to back it up. Cool!

I'll be using Sustain Alpha and Needto's new Forged PCT to recover from my Test/EQ/Winstrol/Anavar cycle. If it works, then that shit is the real deal.