Three Common Gym Errors

[bblazer]

No more ad hominem crap or this thread gets closed.

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[djeclipse]

No more ad hominem crap or this thread gets closed.

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hey, none of that lawyer talk, this is a lifting board. Pick up big weight, put down... you expect us to know big words like that, lol

 

[OneBreath]

Can someone check my curl form? I don't think i'm hitting my bicep peak.

 

[djeclipse]

Can someone check my curl form? I don't think i'm hitting my bicep peak.

Nice, up the weight and use more swing, then you'll be HArD CoRE!

 

[lockdownd7]

Further to your point, a properly preformed PL bench press does use the compression of the lats as a springboard for the pressing movement.

Is that a cheat?

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"Cheat" is a pretty unclear word, isn't it? A lot depends on what context you're looking at things from. The above example could possibly be considered cheating to a BBer, but not to a PLer.

Cry me a river, though you claim to be a "patient man" your reply tells us otherwise.

You said this is a discussion board, yet you blow up on anyone that doesn't agree with you. Not very patient at all.

Do you bother reading what you quote? Or is that too much trouble? Because everything you've said makes it sound like you're just kinda skimming through before banging out pretentious replies on your keyboard....

Your post was one big contradiction, the goal of lifting is fiber recruitment, doesn't mater what you are lifting for. The body responds to the load you put on it, greater the load, the more the body has to adapt. Hypertrophy, athletics, or power lifting, it doesn't matter, the greater the load the better the body will respond to it. "Cheat reps" benefit each of your examples equally, as they allow you to put more load on the body. That is why I said you contradicted yourself.

Which lifter is going to gain strength faster, get more hypertrophy, or get better at his sport. One that does very light weight, but doesn't increase the weight due to fear of losing absolute perfect form? Or the lifter that learn proper form, knows what it feels like and adds weight to the bar, putting more load on the body while keeping form as close to perfect as he can with said weight?

I think it's funny that you get so angered over something as dismal as a "cheat rep" lol

You obviously don't get it. So (for you) I'm going to step back and take things slow....

Fiber recruitment is not the goal of lifting weights. The goal of lifting weights is to improve whatever attribute we're looking to improve. Let's take the three cases that have been mentioned so far in this thread.

Case 1

You wanna get big. Obviously, this means hypertrophy of the desired (which is usually all) muscle groups. For lifting weights to be beneficial in helping achieve this goal, tension must be directed at the muscles that we are trying to hypertrophy with a given exercise. You don't need to cheat to grow, all you need to do is direct greater levels of tension on the appropriate musculature....

Case 2

You wanna be a better athlete. This means speed, vj, quickness, agility, etc (yes, I am restricting to the most common sports). In the training of these qualities, the muscular system is absolutely secondary to the nervous system. The nervous system controls muscles, not the other way around. The stuff you should be doing in the weight room is very focused, and is only a small part of the equation. A huge part of being an athlete is moving properly. If you don't know what you're doing it's very easy to screw things up with too much lifting. Cheat reps have zero place here.....

Case 3

You wanna be an elite PLer. Ultimately the strength of the muscles involved in the lift are going to determine success/failure. Having said that, when you're going for an all-out PR, you're going to do whatever the hell it takes to get the weight up, and if that means loosening form a little, so be it. However, most of the time, you're going to want to stay focused on actually strengthening the appropriate muscles.

 

[djeclipse]

"Cheat" is a pretty unclear word, isn't it? A lot depends on what context you're looking at things from. The above example could possibly be considered cheating to a BBer, but not to a PLer.



Do you bother reading what you quote? Or is that too much trouble? Because everything you've said makes it sound like you're just kinda skimming through before banging out pretentious replies on your keyboard....



You obviously don't get it. So (for you) I'm going to step back and take things slow....

Fiber recruitment is not the goal of lifting weights. The goal of lifting weights is to improve whatever attribute we're looking to improve. Let's take the three cases that have been mentioned so far in this thread.

Case 1

You wanna get big. Obviously, this means hypertrophy of the desired (which is usually all) muscle groups. For lifting weights to be beneficial in helping achieve this goal, tension must be directed at the muscles that we are trying to hypertrophy with a given exercise. You don't need to cheat to grow, all you need to do is direct greater levels of tension on the appropriate musculature....

Cheat reps allow more load on the muscle = more gains. If you want to get big you focus on core lifts, adding weight to the bar as often as you can. Isolation is a waste of time and energy better spent on core lifts.

Case 2

You wanna be a better athlete. This means speed, vj, quickness, agility, etc (yes, I am restricting to the most common sports). In the training of these qualities, the muscular system is absolutely secondary to the nervous system. The nervous system controls muscles, not the other way around. The stuff you should be doing in the weight room is very focused, and is only a small part of the equation. A huge part of being an athlete is moving properly. If you don't know what you're doing it's very easy to screw things up with too much lifting. Cheat reps have zero place here.....

We're talking about weight training here, same principles apply, more load = better gains.

Case 3

You wanna be an elite PLer. Ultimately the strength of the muscles involved in the lift are going to determine success/failure. Having said that, when you're going for an all-out PR, you're going to do whatever the hell it takes to get the weight up, and if that means loosening form a little, so be it. However, most of the time, you're going to want to stay focused on actually strengthening the appropriate muscles.

Once again, more load = more gains.

You keep wasting time with your perfect form and very minimal weight and those that want optimal gains will add more weight at the cost of not so perfect form.

Thanks again.

 

[bblazer]

Hugs all around.

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[lockdownd7]

Cheat reps allow more load on the muscle = more gains.



We're talking about weight training here, same principles apply, more load = better gains.



Once again, more load = more gains.

You keep wasting time with your perfect form and very minimal weight and those that want optimal gains will add more weight at the cost of not so perfect form.

Thanks again.

It's clear you don't want to (or more likely, can't) discuss the subject intelligently. My bad for assuming that you were better than that.....

Oh wait, you're always right and have nothing you can learn. Why are you here then? If you know everything, what's the point?

Mods, lock this before this "djeclipse" character makes me soil myself with laughter.

 

[djeclipse]

It's clear you don't want to (or more likely, can't) discuss the subject intelligently. My bad for assuming that you were better than that.....

Oh wait, you're always right and have nothing you can learn. Why are you here then? If you know everything, what's the point?

Mods, lock this before this "djeclipse" character makes me soil myself with laughter.

Now you're simply projecting.

 

[bblazer]

Nobody seems to get the hint. Thread closed and the vacations are on me.

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