Three Common Gym Errors

[lockdownd7]

My thoughts on the subject:

If your goal is hypertrophy, why would you waste your energy "cheating" if your "cheating" requires technical changes that take the emphasis off the target muscle group?

If you want to cheat, you'd be far better off doing assisted reps with a spotter. Same idea, better execution.

For athletes, there is no benefit to cheating, as activation of the proper muscles is just too damn important to risk messing with.

For PLer's I can see the benefit, at times, but you wouldn't want to do it every workout. Again, although the only thing that matters in a comp is that you get the weight up, you still need to have very solid fundamental form.

 

[djeclipse]

My thoughts on the subject:

If your goal is hypertrophy, why would you waste your energy "cheating" if your "cheating" requires technical changes that take the emphasis off the target muscle group?

If you want to cheat, you'd be far better off doing assisted reps with a spotter. Same idea, better execution.

For athletes, there is no benefit to cheating, as activation of the proper muscles is just too damn important to risk messing with.

For PLer's I can see the benefit, at times, but you wouldn't want to do it every workout. Again, although the only thing that matters in a comp is that you get the weight up, you still need to have very solid fundamental form.

You are a walking contradiction.

It's ok for power lifters, but not anyone else?

Power lifters don't experience any hypertrophy? Last I checked power lifters have a shit load of muscle, that is why a lot of them end up cutting and going into body building, the muscle and size is already there from power lifting.

Please enlighten us... lol

 

[djeclipse]

Yeah,

Thats why I owten swing on my last curl rep and use a push press rather than the military press. Gotta leave it all in the gym

Push press is not cheating, it's an actual lift. It allows you to use more weight than the standing military press and the body adapts to the greater load you put on it.

 

[lockdownd7]

You are a walking contradiction.

It's ok for power lifters, but not anyone else?

Power lifters don't experience any hypertrophy? Last I checked power lifters have a shit load of muscle, that is why a lot of them end up cutting and going into body building, the muscle and size is already there from power lifting.

Please enlighten us... lol

I suggest you stop looking for arguments at every corner. I'm a very reasonable person and have a lot of patience, but most people don't. Anyway....it's really very simple....a PLer's goal is to lift the maximum weight possible. I know you know this, so why are you trying to be difficult? Nowhere did I say that PLer's don't experience muscle growth.

<RANT>In the future I ask that you refrain from wasting everyone's time with posts like this that do nothing to advance the conversation. If you disagree with something I say, that's fine. That's what a discussion board is for. It's not for going around in circles saying the same things 100 times. Let's grow up and have more meaningful conversation so we can actually learn something.</RANT>

 

[bblazer]

Everyone take a sip of Verve and chill out.

I swear its like everyone is stacking cheque drops with halo lately.

B-

 

[lockdownd7]

Everyone take a sip of Verve and chill out.

I swear its like everyone is stacking cheque drops with halo lately.

B-

I'm not mad, just disappointed.

If I take the time to post a reply, it feels like a waste when people misinterpret it and try to start arguments that aren't even based off of the contents of what I actually said.

 

[timtim]

for a bber cheating is essential. its obvious the people who disagree arent very well experienced in how to cheat properly and when. its also not a cheat where you change the exercise. you can build a ton of momentum by keeping a cadence with the rep speed and using the lower body (during upper body lifts with dbs or bbs) to load the momentum and use it as a controlled springboard. dense muscle isnt built in isolation.

 

[bblazer]

for a bber cheating is essential. its obvious the people who disagree arent very well experienced in how to cheat properly and when. its also not a cheat where you change the exercise. you can build a ton of momentum by keeping a cadence with the rep speed and using the lower body (during upper body lifts with dbs or bbs) to load the momentum and use it as a controlled springboard. dense muscle isnt built in isolation.

Further to your point, a properly preformed PL bench press does use the compression of the lats as a springboard for the pressing movement.

Is that a cheat?

B-

 

[djeclipse]

I suggest you stop looking for arguments at every corner. I'm a very reasonable person and have a lot of patience, but most people don't. Anyway....it's really very simple....a PLer's goal is to lift the maximum weight possible. I know you know this, so why are you trying to be difficult? Nowhere did I say that PLer's don't experience muscle growth.

<RANT>In the future I ask that you refrain from wasting everyone's time with posts like this that do nothing to advance the conversation. If you disagree with something I say, that's fine. That's what a discussion board is for. It's not for going around in circles saying the same things 100 times. Let's grow up and have more meaningful conversation so we can actually learn something.</RANT>

Cry me a river, though you claim to be a "patient man" your reply tells us otherwise.

You said this is a discussion board, yet you blow up on anyone that doesn't agree with you. Not very patient at all.

Your post was one big contradiction, the goal of lifting is fiber recruitment, doesn't mater what you are lifting for. The body responds to the load you put on it, greater the load, the more the body has to adapt. Hypertrophy, athletics, or power lifting, it doesn't matter, the greater the load the better the body will respond to it. "Cheat reps" benefit each of your examples equally, as they allow you to put more load on the body. That is why I said you contradicted yourself.

Which lifter is going to gain strength faster, get more hypertrophy, or get better at his sport. One that does very light weight, but doesn't increase the weight due to fear of losing absolute perfect form? Or the lifter that learn proper form, knows what it feels like and adds weight to the bar, putting more load on the body while keeping form as close to perfect as he can with said weight?

I think it's funny that you get so angered over something as dismal as a "cheat rep" lol

 

[djeclipse]

Further to your point, a properly preformed PL bench press does use the compression of the lats as a springboard for the pressing movement.

Is that a cheat?

B-

Not to mention the lift starts with leg drive from the feet on the floor.