Three Common Gym Errors

[bblazer]

to get more reps. push pass a plateau. its a pretty cut and dry answer: theres the right way to cheat and the wrong way to cheat. im not going to debate this as an all or nothing answer. to try and say there is no place for cheat reps in bbing is ridiculous.

Yup! Its called max effort. You do whatever the fuck you need to do to get that last few reps. Sometimes when I am doing seated cable rows, my whole body is a' rowing. Nothing even close to correct form, but I am getting every last drop of strength out of me I can get.

 

[timtim]

Yup! Its called max effort. You do whatever the fuck you need to do to get that last few reps. Sometimes when I am doing seated cable rows, my whole body is a' rowing. Nothing even close to correct form, but I am getting every last drop of strength out of me I can get.

thats exactly right. strict form, of course is important, does not allow for real heavy lifting. i can db hammer curl up to 100 lbs. dbs for 5 rep sets. i cheat and get the weight through the range of motion under control. its necessary and effective.

 

[Synpax]

thats exactly right. strict form, of course is important, does not allow for real heavy lifting. i can db hammer curl up to 100 lbs. dbs for 5 rep sets. i cheat and get the weight through the range of motion under control. its necessary and effective.

That's exactly the wrong attitude to have.

Pro Tip: If you aren't using proper form, you aren't really lifting.

If you want to do a certain number of reps, select an appropriate weight.

Otherwise, why not have someone else come and help you lift the weight.

 

[Jocques Straap]

Different strokes for different folks!

Someone who was training to become an athlete- the efficient, powerful, machine,

Someone who was training for general fitness - strong heart and lungs and and injury free functional body.

Someone who was training for Body building, - Maximum hypertrophy,

They are all going to train differently.

Cheat reps, absolutely due have their place when it comes to hypertrophy. Hypertrophy is all about time under tension, most notably during the eccentric phase. A well executed cheat curl would have the lifter swinging the weight up, and slowly lowering the weight down. Careful, not to lose tension and the bottom, and swing up again for the next rep. Repeat 12 times.

This doesn't mean it's appropriate to swing the weight every time, but it is another tool in our tool box.


The two reasons that cheat reps would be bad would be - an increased injury risk due to the increased intensity, and development of inaccurate motor patterns.

 

[1999TL]

Different strokes for different folks!

Someone who was training to become an athlete- the efficient, powerful, machine,

Someone who was training for general fitness - strong heart and lungs and and injury free functional body.

Someone who was training for Body building, - Maximum hypertrophy,

They are all going to train differently.

Cheat reps, absolutely due have their place when it comes to hypertrophy. Hypertrophy is all about time under tension, most notably during the eccentric phase. A well executed cheat curl would have the lifter swinging the weight up, and slowly lowering the weight down. Careful, not to lose tension and the bottom, and swing up again for the next rep. Repeat 12 times.

This doesn't mean it's appropriate to swing the weight every time, but it is another tool in our tool box.


The two reasons that cheat reps would be bad would be - an increased injury risk due to the increased intensity, and development of inaccurate motor patterns.

I was going to post this same thing, but you stated it sooner and better. Best post in this thread.

 

[bblazer]

That's exactly the wrong attitude to have.

Pro Tip: If you aren't using proper form, you aren't really lifting.

If you want to do a certain number of reps, select an appropriate weight.

Otherwise, why not have someone else come and help you lift the weight.

So if I have to hitch up my last rep of 6, 700lb DL reps, I'm not really lifting?

Pro tip: Weight up is weight up. Study time under tension or Max Effort and Dynamic Effort.

And I would be happy to have you come over and step under my bar or make one of my pulls anytime.

Mod tip: Save your sardonic and baiting comments for somewhere else or you're going on vacation. We treat everyone here with respect at all times. Period.

B-

 

[timtim]

That's exactly the wrong attitude to have.

Pro Tip: If you aren't using proper form, you aren't really lifting.

If you want to do a certain number of reps, select an appropriate weight.

Otherwise, why not have someone else come and help you lift the weight.

what exactly are you a pro at? if you are such a pro, you should be very aware that controlled cheating is required to lift big weights.

honestly, you sound like you dont lift big. you sound like a fitness person. thats cool. thats your interest. please dont try and tell people who can control cheat big weight that they arent working. all my joints are in alignment and my movements are far from erratic. as a pro, shouldnt you be aware of the right way to cheat safely?

 

[djeclipse]

to get more reps. push pass a plateau. its a pretty cut and dry answer: theres the right way to cheat and the wrong way to cheat. im not going to debate this as an all or nothing answer. to try and say there is no place for cheat reps in bbing is ridiculous.

I think the term "cheat" is the problem. When most think of a "cheat rep" they think of someone that loads up the bar way beyond his capability, throws form out the window and is an injury waiting to happen. Or at least that is what I think of when I hear the word "cheat".

I think "form bending" or something similar could better describe what you guys are talking about.

As the weight's get heavy and max effort is being used, form is a little compromised, even great strength coaches will say this. It's a matter of "bending" your form enough to get the weight moving and keep it moving, but not so much that it will cause injury, or it no longer looks like the movement you are supposed to be doing.

90deg rows or Pendlay rows are a great example. The movement itself allows for movement of the upper half of the body, (up from, parallel) as the weight's get heavy. it is up to the lifter to determine weather his movement is no longer a row 90deg to the ground, or not. If he is almost standing up, or at 45deg by the top of the lift, it is time to reset the lift, drop the weight to a point where better form can be used.

bblazer, mentioned a hitch when deadlifting to get a Pr rep, or when doing a max, just to keep the bar moving. Things like that are "form bending", rather than actual cheating.

 

[timtim]

I think the term "cheat" is the problem. When most think of a "cheat rep" they think of someone that loads up the bar way beyond his capability, throws form out the window and is an injury waiting to happen. Or at least that is what I think of when I hear the word "cheat".

I think "form bending" or something similar could better describe what you guys are talking about.

As the weight's get heavy and max effort is being used, form is a little compromised, even great strength coaches will say this. It's a matter of "bending" your form enough to get the weight moving and keep it moving, but not so much that it will cause injury, or it no longer looks like the movement you are supposed to be doing.

90deg rows or Pendlay rows are a great example. The movement itself allows for movement of the upper half of the body, (up from, parallel) as the weight's get heavy. it is up to the lifter to determine weather his movement is no longer a row 90deg to the ground, or not. If he is almost standing up, or at 45deg by the top of the lift, t is time to reset the lift, drip the weight to a point where better form can be used.

bblazer, mentioned a hitch when deadlifting to get a Pr rep, or when doing a max, just to keep the bar moving. Things like that are "form bending", rather than actual cheating.

very good explanation.

 

[cobracock1979]

Yeah,

Thats why I owten swing on my last curl rep and use a push press rather than the military press. Gotta leave it all in the gym