Arimidex vs Aromasin vs Proviron - help me understand!

[van_wilder]

Alright bros - it has become painfully obvious through trial and error as well as bloodwork that even at a low dose of test 300-400mg/week I am converting to a lot of estrogen. It seems that my sweetspot for Arimidex at even those moderate doses is 1mg/day! Even at half a tab per day I'm having some major bloat and can't hold an erection - that all changes at the 1mg/day dose and things are great!

My concern is not only the cost of arimidex but how much am I limiting potential gains?

Question is: would it be smart to get my hands on proviron for my next cycle in place of the arimidex? will that control my estrogen levels without inhibiting gains?

Otherwise I can continue with the arimidex, or try aromasin or a different compound all together other than test?

Please chime in!!!!
VW

 

[van_wilder]

C'mon bros - someone's gotta have some advice for me here!!!

 

[lookinfit75]

Proviron doesn't inhibit the production of estrogen. It has an extremely high affinity to SHBG which frees up testosterone in your blood stream and it antagonizes the Aromatase Enzyme.

 

[access]

I would ceretainly be trying some proviron when your running Test given your history. It might be ideal for you but your not going to know for sure until you try. Even so you still would probably need an AI but at a lower dose as your obviously very susceptible to aromatization.

As to adex and aromasin well aromasin is a little stronger than adex in terms of estrogen reduction so this might be something else to consider but firstly I would be going with the Proviron.

 

[access]

Proviron doesn't inhibit the production of estrogen. It has an extremely high affinity to SHBG which frees up testosterone in your blood stream and it antagonizes the Aromatase Enzyme.

Actually Proviron will inhibit estrogen production when your stacking it with Test (or any aromatizing AAS) because of it's particularly strong affinity for the aromatase enzyme. Given this, it binds to the aromatase enzyme quite strongly thus not freely allowing the Test to do so and results in less aromatization of the test to estrogen.

 

[79steeler]

I'm going to give proviron a try next time around. I don't really need it to reduce estrogen, but more for the synergy it has with test.

 

[access]

I'm going to give proviron a try next time around. I don't really need it to reduce estrogen, but more for the synergy it has with test.

Any DHT will have the same effect on SHBG as LF referred to but many need to be careful with DHT also though as will increase androgenic sides.

 

[halfcenturian]

This is really a google question... There is a plethora of info on all these products.

Proviron is more for muscle hardening, increased libido due to binding free test to receptors. not the greatest AI. But good for wood

Adex the next level of defense. It blocks about 50% of the estrogen your body might produce, but leaves some which your body needs. Adex can jack up lipids and has some other minor sides.

Aromasin is the newest generation of AI, but it really stops about 85% of your bodies Estrogen from even being produced. Hence the name suicide inhibitor. It doesn't block it so much as it never lets it be produced. No lipid sides or any sides that I have experienced. It also eliminates the need for fucking clomid.

All 3 have their place, and I keep all three in the vault.

 

[sweed]

Good thread. I was thinking about doing a ton of research and comparing all the different AI's and ancillaries, adex, dostinex, letro, etc. Write up a short comparison of what they do, what's an effective dose, and how often they should be taken.
I just need to find the time! I think this would be very helpful! This is something that I could def learn from along with many other peope and think that it would be helpful.

 

[needtogetaas]

saved. I will be back tomorrow. Been doing a lot of big posts and will prob do the same in this thread but this shit takes up time.....

 

[van_wilder]

This is really a google question... There is a plethora of info on all these products.

Proviron is more for muscle hardening, increased libido due to binding free test to receptors. not the greatest AI. But good for wood

Adex the next level of defense. It blocks about 50% of the estrogen your body might produce, but leaves some which your body needs. Adex can jack up lipids and has some other minor sides.

Aromasin is the newest generation of AI, but it really stops about 85% of your bodies Estrogen from even being produced. Hence the name suicide inhibitor. It doesn't block it so much as it never lets it be produced. No lipid sides or any sides that I have experienced. It also eliminates the need for fucking clomid.

All 3 have their place, and I keep all three in the vault.

Thanks bros! Have googled it... info is all over the place. Some say it eliminates the need for AI's... some say otherwise.

Also note that my DHT levels always come back elevated as well! Any concerns of taking Proviron with DHT levels that are already elevated considering it "acts as an antiaromatase but in an unknown DHT-like anti-estrogenic manner"? (from my google searches)

VW

 

[van_wilder]

I would ceretainly be trying some proviron when your running Test given your history. It might be ideal for you but your not going to know for sure until you try. Even so you still would probably need an AI but at a lower dose as your obviously very susceptible to aromatization.

As to adex and aromasin well aromasin is a little stronger than adex in terms of estrogen reduction so this might be something else to consider but firstly I would be going with the Proviron.

Any theories as to why I'm so susceptible to aromitization? I remember my first cycle ever I ran test at 500mg/week with no issues whatsoever!

Now... I can't run 300mg without 1mg Arimidex or I have all kinds of issues!!!!

VW

 

[cuts82]

Any theories as to why I'm so susceptible to aromitization? I remember my first cycle ever I ran test at 500mg/week with no issues whatsoever!

Now... I can't run 300mg without 1mg Arimidex or I have all kinds of issues!!!!

VW

How long into your cycle do you notice the bloat? its unlucky at that low dose you get it.

Halfcenturian, you said you since aromison you have no need for clomid? did you just use a ai and hcg for pct??

 

[lookinfit75]

How long into your cycle do you notice the bloat? its unlucky at that low dose you get it.

Halfcenturian, you said you since aromison you have no need for clomid? did you just use a ai and hcg for pct??

I almost asked the same question. Good thing I read the whole thread lol.

 

[van_wilder]

How long into your cycle do you notice the bloat? its unlucky at that low dose you get it.

Halfcenturian, you said you since aromison you have no need for clomid? did you just use a ai and hcg for pct??

This last cycle I was running cyp at 300mg/week and deca at 125mg/week (for the first 4 weeks just for the joints which worked wonders even at that low dose) with arimi at .5mg everyday. Ended up having to bump it up to 1mg/day around week 6 where the bloat started and the sex drive (no wood) took a dive. Once I bumped it up to 1mg a day we were back in business after a couple of days.

Same thing happened last cycle which was test e only (no deca)...although I started at .25mg/day and ended up working up to a full tab.

 

[Stock69]

your bloat could be from a number of things, but most of the time, for me, its diet related. When I'm on, my body tend to try and hold as much water as possible. I try to stay away from salty foods, salt, spices, etc. How clean is your diet?

 

[access]

Any theories as to why I'm so susceptible to aromitization? I remember my first cycle ever I ran test at 500mg/week with no issues whatsoever!

Now... I can't run 300mg without 1mg Arimidex or I have all kinds of issues!!!!

VW

Diet is a good place to start as Stock mentioned but keep in mind as has been said many a time that we are all different. The important thing here is that you have come to recognize your susceptibility and know how to counteract it. As long as this does not interfere with your gains on cycle then I would not be too perturbed about it either way. I would certainly be experimenting a little with inclusion of things like Proviron to see what changes this makes for you but overall if your continuing to progress then your fine.

 

[Nelson Montana]

If you have no gyno issues, why are you assuming the bloat is estrogen? It can be progesterone or prolactin or something else. Deca bloats Getting a blood test is the only way to know.

WHy not try to just lose the water? Wear a sweat bely. Use DEFINITION.

Proviron does block e but not as well as dex or san. 1mg a day is enough to shut off all e, which puts you at risk of a heart attack.

 

[van_wilder]

If you have no gyno issues, why are you assuming the bloat is estrogen? It can be progesterone or prolactin or something else. Deca bloats Getting a blood test is the only way to know.

WHy not try to just lose the water? Wear a sweat bely. Use DEFINITION.

Proviron does block e but not as well as dex or san. 1mg a day is enough to shut off all e, which puts you at risk of a heart attack.

Not worried about the bloat at all but I assume it's a sign of high estrogen levels since my diet is clean and I have other high estrogen symptons... my main concern is the gyno (have a little already and without the arimi the nips get sensitive) as well as the inability to keep a hard-on (this is the one that sucks the most).

If my estrogen is shut down completely how come my sex drive is through the roof at 1mg a day?

 

[Kangazoo]

Any DHT will have the same effect on SHBG as LF referred to but many need to be careful with DHT also though as will increase androgenic sides.

If that's true, wouldn't stacking Mast with test do the same as proviron? Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[access]

If that's true, wouldn't stacking Mast with test do the same as proviron? Correct me if I'm wrong.

No your correct. When you inject any DHT compound it will bind strongly to SHBG allowing Test to have a greater anabolic effect than if not stacking with the DHT and thus you can typically inject the Test in lower doses for this reason. Personally I prefer Masteron over Proviron for this purpose but both do an excellent job.