Thoughts on first cycle

[heavychevy69]

Hey everybody, I'm a long time lurker and have many hours of research logged I'm sure! some specs are 5'11'', 170ish lbs, I would be guessing at my body fat but pretty lean last time i measured i was well under 8-9%. Heres what I'm looking at for a first cycle so far, I know theres things to add and correct but theres just so many compounds and opinions our there its mind boggling.diet is approx. 3,000 calories, 300g carbs, 225g protein, 100g fat(almost there still working on keeping it consistent). anyways heres what i have so far

weeks 1-8: Test prop 75mg EOD OR 10-12 weeks test E at 350 mg/week (2x week)
weeks 4-8: Winstrol 50 mg ED
Whole cycle: hcGenerate (or HCG?)

*I understand this isn't all I need, I really need some help on putting together the support and pct. I'm familiar with most of the compounds just looking for help and suggestions for a proper post/support
I also really want to avoid water retention and bloat.
Questions:
1) I have natural gyno and want to avoid adding any and plan on trying letro to get rid of it. what all can I do to prevent gyno while on cycle!?
2) is hcGenerate usefull or should i just get real hcg

 

[EZ_E]

Are you sure on the 5"11 and 167 pounds?

 

[dylangemelli]

Hey everybody, I'm a long time lurker and have a few hundred hours of research logged I'm sure! some specs are 5'11'', 167lbs, I would be guessing at my body fat but pretty lean last time i measured i was well under 8-9%. Heres what I'm looking at for a first cycle so far, I know theres things to add and correct but theres just so many compounds and opinions our there its mind boggling.diet is approx. 3,000 calories, 300g carbs, 225g protein, 100g fat(almost there still working on keeping it consistent). anyways heres what i have so far

weeks 1-8: Test E 350mg/week (2 pins/week)
weeks 1-8: Winstrol 50 mg ED (Maybe EOD for the first 4?)
weeks 1-12:hcGenerate
weeks 8-12: nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin???
Clomid????
Use test prop for this short of a run?
I dont want to go longer than 10 max, would like to do 8


Questions:
1) I have natural gyno and want to avoid adding any and plan on trying letro later on to get rid of it. what all can I do to prevent gyno!?
2) is hcGenerate usefull or should i just get real hcg
3)what else would you recommend for support/pct?
4)Is winny EOD pointless? ive seen conflicting opinions
5)its late and I'm tired dont flame me too hard

EDIT: leaning more towards test prop the more i think about it.

bro, i have to be really honest with you... there is NO WAY you have "hundreds of hours" of research with this layout... its great that you posted to ask questions but you should have left that out because its true b.s... i will still be happy to help but please refrain from such exaggerations because if you had that kind of research time put in then this would look completely different... you have a long estered test being ran only 8 weeks.... your talking about taking winstrol eod? your running it pretty long to and you have not listed any support to protect you while on it... its one of the harsher orals you can run yet you are not protecting yourself... you would also know that if you have gyno that you should treat that first before running a cycle... you are only going to add to the problem... you have no concept of when to start pct and the pct you provided is absolutely terrible... its just a mess bro...

if you have gyno, treat it first before you run a cycle... then come back and i will lay everything out for you properly...

read this to treat it... Evolutionary Anti-Gynecomastia Cycle - Evolutionary.org

 

[stevesmi]

my opinion is you are too skinny for steroids.

fix your diet and start working out consistently and you will grow, you don't need steroids at all nor should you touch them.. very dangerous at your size

 

[EZ_E]

my opinion is you are too skinny for steroids.

fix your diet and start working out consistently and you will grow, you don't need steroids at all nor should you touch them.. very dangerous at your size

My point exactly

 

[RickRock13]

What is your age?

 

[gymrat827]

get a bottle of osta and weight gainer. call it a day. theres a new place for sarms called sarms1. pick it up there. it wont have any effect on gyno.

than you need to start packing cals in post workout, really do the big 3, and focus on a good clean diet. you need to grow before you can run anything. you can follow that kill gyno article Dylan posted or run a sarm now. either way, get bigger before you start to pin EXO tes man.

 

[dylangemelli]

here is the sarms stack for you to run...

The SARMS triple stack protocol

1-8 Ostarine 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m. SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 GW-510516 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart SARMS1.COM - The best Selective androgen receptor modulators
1-8 HcGenerate n2bm.com
1-8 N2guard n2bm.com
3-8 Albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

Mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES n2bm.com

 

[heavychevy69]

my opinion is you are too skinny for steroids.

fix your diet and start working out consistently and you will grow, you don't need steroids at all nor should you touch them.. very dangerous at your size

i chose these compounds for a reason, 2 repped 300 bench today and best ive gotten is 225x15ish(not that bench is a good measure of overall strength, just dont feel like going anymore in depth) i wouldnt say im "skinny" i lift more weight and more reps than most of my friends that weigh 185ish, i just prefer to look shredded and not a bloated mess of water retention and fat

 

[heavychevy69]

get a bottle of osta and weight gainer. call it a day. theres a new place for sarms called sarms1. pick it up there. it wont have any effect on gyno.

than you need to start packing cals in post workout, really do the big 3, and focus on a good clean diet. you need to grow before you can run anything. you can follow that kill gyno article Dylan posted or run a sarm now. either way, get bigger before you start to pin EXO tes man.

thanks ill look into the sarms more. In my opinion im plenty big enough to start if i chose to, i lift every day (minus rest days) and have my diet in check for the most part. I understand 170 doesnt sound that big to a lot of people, but most people guess i weigh closer to 185 by looking at me, im just pretty lean i suppose.(and i need to work legs better)