16 Week Cuttin Cycle with KETO DIET

[2gud]

hi guyz, Iam
6 feet
205 lbs
did 5 cycles
Age=27 yrs male
current body fat 14%

I have a photoshoot after 16 weeks.
So, I am planning to do Dave pulambo keto Diet.

I already did 3 week keto diet with great result 2 months back.

But now I want to incorporate juice during Keto Diet to maximise fat loss as humanly as possible.

COMMENTS/CRITIQUES are highly appretiated.
Goal : 6-7% body fat in 16 weeks

Cycle is as :

WEEK 1-8 = SUSTANON 700MG/WEEK + CLEN/T3 (CARDIO 30MIN MORN AND 30 MIN EVE) [calories around 2200-2500 zig zag]

WEEK 9-16 = Masteron50mg + test prop 50mg + tren 50mg EOD + Clen/t3(increase morning cardio by 1 hr)[calories = 1600-2000].

Week16-20 = PCT with HCG, CLomid, Nolva.

PLEASE ADVICE, If Iam doing Something good or not..to loose body fat as fast as possible.. Muscle loss is no issue for me .I want to get 185 lbs with 6-7% fat.


Questions: Is cycle good.??
Is it fine to do cycle with keto diet for 16 weeks ??????
THANKS IN ADVANCE GUYZ

 

[dylangemelli]

hi guyz, Iam
6 feet
205 lbs
did 5 cycles
Age=27 yrs male
current body fat 14%

I have a photoshoot after 16 weeks.
So, I am planning to do Dave pulambo keto Diet.

I already did 3 week keto diet with great result 2 months back.

But now I want to incorporate juice during Keto Diet to maximise fat loss as humanly as possible.

COMMENTS/CRITIQUES are highly appretiated.
Goal : 6-7% body fat in 16 weeks

Cycle is as :

WEEK 1-8 = SUSTANON 700MG/WEEK + CLEN/T3 (CARDIO 30MIN MORN AND 30 MIN EVE) [calories around 2200-2500 zig zag]

WEEK 9-16 = Masteron50mg + test prop 50mg + tren 50mg EOD + Clen/t3(increase morning cardio by 1 hr)[calories = 1600-2000].

Week16-20 = PCT with HCG, CLomid, Nolva.

PLEASE ADVICE, If Iam doing Something good or not..to loose body fat as fast as possible.. Muscle loss is no issue for me .I want to get 185 lbs with 6-7% fat.


Questions: Is cycle good.??
Is it fine to do cycle with keto diet for 16 weeks ??????
THANKS IN ADVANCE GUYZ

my advice is that you have no clue what your doing... steroids are not used as fat burners and that's what your trying to make them... where did you come up with this absolute disaster? this is a huge mess... You have no business doing ANY of this...

the best thing you can do at this point is try to incorporate sarms... the layout you have above needs to never enter your mind again... here's a sarms stack layout...


1-8 osta 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-8 s4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-8 gw 10-20 mg day... split doses 12 hours apart
1-8 hcgenerate ntbm.com
1-8 d-spark ntbm.com
3-8 albuterol 12-18 mg day ag-guys.com

mini pct 9-12

Hcgenerate ES ntbm.com

 

[WolfpackAlpha]

hi guyz, Iam
6 feet
205 lbs
did 5 cycles
Age=27 yrs male
current body fat 14%

I have a photoshoot after 16 weeks.
So, I am planning to do Dave pulambo keto Diet.

I already did 3 week keto diet with great result 2 months back.

But now I want to incorporate juice during Keto Diet to maximise fat loss as humanly as possible.

COMMENTS/CRITIQUES are highly appretiated.
Goal : 6-7% body fat in 16 weeks

Cycle is as :

WEEK 1-8 = SUSTANON 700MG/WEEK + CLEN/T3 (CARDIO 30MIN MORN AND 30 MIN EVE) [calories around 2200-2500 zig zag]

WEEK 9-16 = Masteron50mg + test prop 50mg + tren 50mg EOD + Clen/t3(increase morning cardio by 1 hr)[calories = 1600-2000].

Week16-20 = PCT with HCG, CLomid, Nolva.

PLEASE ADVICE, If Iam doing Something good or not..to loose body fat as fast as possible.. Muscle loss is no issue for me .I want to get 185 lbs with 6-7% fat.


Questions: Is cycle good.??
Is it fine to do cycle with keto diet for 16 weeks ??????
THANKS IN ADVANCE GUYZ

Post up your ketogenic diet, what is your actual diet like?

 

[2gud]

Post up your ketogenic diet, what is your actual diet like?

Thanks for reply.
Well my diet is Dave pulambo cutting diet
Protein = 250-300 gms
Fat = 100-110 gms
carb = virtually no carb <30gms net impact carb (use zero carb whey+ 20gms psyllium husk + 150gms of avocado for fats and 10gms fibre).

my weight is 205 lbs around 13% body fat.

Please Advise.. thanks

 

[dylangemelli]

thats a ridiculous amount of fat for someone trying to cut... that's craziness...

 

[2gud]

thats a ridiculous amount of fat for someone trying to cut... that's craziness...

thanks for your reply.

But as far as I know traditional keto diet consist of 60-65% fat.30% pro.5% carb

though Iam doing 50% pro(assumin 10% will convert into glucose ) / 45% fat /5% carb.

As I previously did traditional keto diet for 2 weeks and lost around 7lbs in 2 weeks (though muscles were bit flat but got pumped back after reefed).

So my previous attempt with keto shows that Keto diet WORKS for "ME".

So, Iam just trying to incorporate more PROTEIN to make better use of AAS.
(I understand some amount of protein may convert into glycogen.).

PS: WHY!! Why high fat low carb diet sounds rediculous to you.PLEASE ELABORATE

providing that I'll take T3 along with it, as low carb reduces natural thyroid.

THANKS ...

thanks

 

[dylangemelli]

thanks for your reply.

But as far as I know traditional keto diet consist of 60-65% fat.30% pro.5% carb

though Iam doing 50% pro(assumin 10% will convert into glucose ) / 45% fat /5% carb.

As I previously did traditional keto diet for 2 weeks and lost around 7lbs in 2 weeks (though muscles were bit flat but got pumped back after reefed).

So my previous attempt with keto shows that Keto diet WORKS for "ME".

So, Iam just trying to incorporate more PROTEIN to make better use of AAS.
(I understand some amount of protein may convert into glycogen.).

PS: WHY!! Why high fat low carb diet sounds rediculous to you.PLEASE ELABORATE

providing that I'll take T3 along with it, as low carb reduces natural thyroid.

THANKS ...

thanks

Im the first one that will back anyone on what works for them because that's what its all about but at 14-15% body fat, its not working that well... That amount of fat is very high bro... Taking in a lot of protein is a great idea but I just don't agree with 110 grams of fat a day on a cut... If you think that works for you, then go for it, but that's a very high amount... Especially when you are getting ready for a photo shoot... What do i know about nutrition though? =)

 

[infraredline]

thanks for your reply.

But as far as I know traditional keto diet consist of 60-65% fat.30% pro.5% carb

though Iam doing 50% pro(assumin 10% will convert into glucose ) / 45% fat /5% carb.

As I previously did traditional keto diet for 2 weeks and lost around 7lbs in 2 weeks (though muscles were bit flat but got pumped back after reefed).

So my previous attempt with keto shows that Keto diet WORKS for "ME".

So, Iam just trying to incorporate more PROTEIN to make better use of AAS.
(I understand some amount of protein may convert into glycogen.).

PS: WHY!! Why high fat low carb diet sounds rediculous to you.PLEASE ELABORATE

providing that I'll take T3 along with it, as low carb reduces natural thyroid.

THANKS ...

thanks

The Keto diet is retarded. If you look at any high ranking ifbb pro they do not follow this, im pretty sure Ben Pakluski talked about the flaws of the Keto diet. Bottom line, you need carbs to function as they are your body's fuel. I would never have the percentage carbs make of your diet drop below 20%.

My recommendation is you carb cycle using the following split: low carb, high carb, low carb, high carb ect. The macro split you should use on low carb day is 60% protein, 25% carbs, 15% fats. On high carb day use the split 50% carbs 35% protein 15% fats.

 

[rustilldown]

The Keto diet is retarded. If you look at any high ranking ifbb pro they do not follow this, im pretty sure Ben Pakluski talked about the flaws of the Keto diet. Bottom line, you need carbs to function as they are your body's fuel. I would never have the percentage carbs make of your diet drop below 20%.

My recommendation is you carb cycle using the following split: low carb, high carb, low carb, high carb ect. The macro split you should use on low carb day is 60% protein, 25% carbs, 15% fats. On high carb day use the split 50% carbs 35% protein 15% fats.

I agree , but he isn't an ifbb pro,
And is looking to drop fat as fast as possible. So in that aspect I agree Keto will work great. Although I don't use it ,'I have tried it and got pretty shredded fast. Felt piss poor though

Second. 110 grams of fat isn't very high at all in Keto. You need
To keep fats highs, it's the whole purpose of how ketosisnworks . If your fats are not high enough body will convert protein to glucose , keeping you OUT of ketosis. I was upwards of 200 grams fat when in Keto and waking up leaner every day. But again,'I felt shitty.

I still advice just carb cycling as you feel and perform better

 

[2gud]

Im the first one that will back anyone on what works for them because that's what its all about but at 14-15% body fat, its not working that well... That amount of fat is very high bro... Taking in a lot of protein is a great idea but I just don't agree with 110 grams of fat a day on a cut... If you think that works for you, then go for it, but that's a very high amount... Especially when you are getting ready for a photo shoot... What do i know about nutrition though? =)

hmmm...getting your point... may be while on keto I lost lots of water bcoz of absence of carb.. and assuming that Im loosing fat

THanks again..!!

 

[2gud]

The Keto diet is retarded. If you look at any high ranking ifbb pro they do not follow this, im pretty sure Ben Pakluski talked about the flaws of the Keto diet. Bottom line, you need carbs to function as they are your body's fuel. I would never have the percentage carbs make of your diet drop below 20%.

My recommendation is you carb cycle using the following split: low carb, high carb, low carb, high carb ect. The macro split you should use on low carb day is 60% protein, 25% carbs, 15% fats. On high carb day use the split 50% carbs 35% protein 15% fats.

Thats split sounds Good..Thanks
High carb ,low carb, no carb.... Iam very much sensitive to carbs... dont know

Thanks

 

[boyindasouth]

Looks good to me, I cut a ton of bodyfat on test/tren/mast/t3 this summer, I have never looked better. Watch the diet and be very consistent, as long as you're at a deficit you will lean up a lot.

 

[2gud]

I agree , but he isn't an ifbb pro,
And is looking to drop fat as fast as possible. So in that aspect I agree Keto will work great. Although I don't use it ,'I have tried it and got pretty shredded fast. Felt piss poor though

Second. 110 grams of fat isn't very high at all in Keto. You need
To keep fats highs, it's the whole purpose of how ketosisnworks . If your fats are not high enough body will convert protein to glucose , keeping you OUT of ketosis. I was upwards of 200 grams fat when in Keto and waking up leaner every day. But again,'I felt shitty.

I still advice just carb cycling as you feel and perform better

Thanks..
When I previously did keto with high protein ,I was into ketosis 3rd days(used keto stix).

Well I also used to take 60% fat on keto But Iam incorporating High Protein because I shall use sustanon + clen/T3.

these drugs increase protein synthesis.
Just want to ask is Keto good during cycle ??

Well now I think I should do carb cycling while on Sustanon .
and keto during last 6 weeks while on mast/trena/ test prop.
What say.. ????

 

[2gud]

Looks good to me, I cut a ton of bodyfat on test/tren/mast/t3 this summer, I have never looked better. Watch the diet and be very consistent, as long as you're at a deficit you will lean up a lot.

thanks.
But why there is "All Natural" written below your name... lolz.. just kidding
thanks for your opinion.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not a fan of the keto diet and I'm not a fan of the guy who came up with the term. It's just the Atkins diet, which itself was taken from a concept that's a century old.

There's just so many things wrong with it.

When I began training for my last contest, I lost 10 pounds in 2 weeks. I ate a balance of healthy food and got 300 grams of protein a day. I used no fat burners. My bf was 6% on contest day.

You want to lose fat? Eat less and supplment with GEAR.

If you can't lose fat doing that then eat even less and and take GEAR.

DONE.

 

[dylangemelli]

I agree , but he isn't an ifbb pro,
And is looking to drop fat as fast as possible. So in that aspect I agree Keto will work great. Although I don't use it ,'I have tried it and got pretty shredded fast. Felt piss poor though

Second. 110 grams of fat isn't very high at all in Keto. You need
To keep fats highs, it's the whole purpose of how ketosisnworks . If your fats are not high enough body will convert protein to glucose , keeping you OUT of ketosis. I was upwards of 200 grams fat when in Keto and waking up leaner every day. But again,'I felt shitty.

I still advice just carb cycling as you feel and perform better

Thats the point... You felt piss poor and its not something you can or should stay on... Theres a reason the non carb craze didnt last... I generally stay out of nutrition threads because theres always something that may have worked for a few and then everyone wants to challenge it... I always get challenged yet i do things with diet and transformations year round that many classify as impossible... I can listen to arguments all day on this but i guaranfuckingtee that amount of fat is way too high for tge intended purpose of the op... The diet itself is a joke and not sustainable and not healthy to use

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thats the point... You felt piss poor and its not something you can or should stay on... Theres a reason the non carb craze didnt last... I generally stay out of nutrition threads because theres always something that may have worked for a few and then everyone wants to challenge it... I always get challenged yet i do things with diet and transformations year round that many classify as impossible... I can listen to arguments all day on this but i guaranfuckingtee that amount of fat is way too high for tge intended purpose of the op... The diet itself is a joke and not sustainable and not healthy to use

Agreed.

 

[2gud]

Agreed.

Thanks. dylangemelli and Nelson Montana.
I really respect you and your opinions.
But as u know everybody is different on diets...

My only Question is what would be the Macros while on Gear to loose fat .
Providing that Iam carb sensitive endomorph.

thanks again

 

[Nelson Montana]

Thanks. dylangemelli and Nelson Montana.
I really respect you and your opinions.
But as u know everybody is different on diets...

My only Question is what would be the Macros while on Gear to loose fat .
Providing that Iam carb sensitive endomorph.

thanks again

Actually that is not true. Everyone may respond at different rates, but a calorie deficit will always result in weight loss and a calorie surplus will always result in a weight gain. Every time. On everybody. There is no magic number or formulation. Emphasis protein. Easy on the carbs. Easy on the fats. Don't put anything in your body that isn't good for it. If you don;t lose fat, eat less. I can't put it any simpler or any better or make it any more effective. And either can anyone else.

 

[2gud]

Actually that is not true. Everyone may respond at different rates, but a calorie deficit will always result in weight loss and a calorie surplus will always result in a weight gain. Every time. On everybody. There is no magic number or formulation. Emphasis protein. Easy on the carbs. Easy on the fats. Don't put anything in your body that isn't good for it. If you don;t lose fat, eat less. I can't put it any simpler or any better or make it any more effective. And either can anyone else.

th
thanks

Being 200 lbs guy wid 14% bf.

Protein = 300gms /day
carbohydrates = 150gms /day
fat 35gms/ day
total calories = around 2100 cals

to maximise fat loss..
or do I need to increase Carbs or Calories more.... Please help..thanks

 

[stevesmi]

^^^generally that is correct nelson however a lot of fat people eat low calorie diets and can't lose.. many fail to eat breakfast which is a mistake for example.. you are leaving out metabolism, this is important. you have a fast metabolism and an ecto frame so you gotta put yourself in someone elses shoe who might have a meso frame.

also you gotta remember those that have office jobs are gonna burn way less calories throughout the day then someone who digs ditches outside in 90 degree heat. so its not as simple as lower cals, up cals. the guy who digs ditches is gonna have a hard time gaining weight, and the guy who sits on his ass in front of a computer all day is gonna have a tougher time losing weight even if both eat the exact same amount of food

and then there is the insulin sensitivity in play. someone could eat something with cals and store it as fat, while someone else eats the same thing and burns it away .

a good trick to get your metabolism up in the morning is a freshly made veggie shake. lots of green veggies, some carrots to sweeten it up.

 

[rustilldown]

Thats the point... You felt piss poor and its not something you can or should stay on... Theres a reason the non carb craze didnt last... I generally stay out of nutrition threads because theres always something that may have worked for a few and then everyone wants to challenge it... I always get challenged yet i do things with diet and transformations year round that many classify as impossible... I can listen to arguments all day on this but i guaranfuckingtee that amount of fat is way too high for tge intended purpose of the op... The diet itself is a joke and not sustainable and not healthy to use

Yeah I tend to agree with its a poor diet. We can argue back and forth about the fat content lets not bother lets just both agree on Keto being a fas diet that leaves you feeling weak ( me anyhow )

 

[RickRock13]

Everyone has their preferences and ideas about what works and what doesn't. Its all about what works for you. Some people think they need to eat breakfast..or immediately before/after a workout..they don't and its disproven over and over, but that's a whole other topic I won't get into

With that said, I agree a lot with what Dylan has said here and I follow a lot of the same principles. Keto just isn't something that works for me. I don't handle low carbs well, and I certainly don't handle Hugh fat content well. I cycle my carbs with high days and low days with my high days being my workout days when they are needed. However, even my low days are 150-200g per day and 350-400g on high days. My fat content is always low....usually under 50g and only comes from small amounts of olive oil or peanut butter.

I think its safe to say Dylan and I have a diet that works very well for us, considering we are two of the leanest year round on the board.

 

[Nelson Montana]

^^^generally that is correct nelson however a lot of fat people eat low calorie diets and can't lose.. many fail to eat breakfast which is a mistake for example.. you are leaving out metabolism, this is important. you have a fast metabolism and an ecto frame so you gotta put yourself in someone elses shoe who might have a meso frame.

also you gotta remember those that have office jobs are gonna burn way less calories throughout the day then someone who digs ditches outside in 90 degree heat. so its not as simple as lower cals, up cals. the guy who digs ditches is gonna have a hard time gaining weight, and the guy who sits on his ass in front of a computer all day is gonna have a tougher time losing weight even if both eat the exact same amount of food

and then there is the insulin sensitivity in play. someone could eat something with cals and store it as fat, while someone else eats the same thing and burns it away .

a good trick to get your metabolism up in the morning is a freshly made veggie shake. lots of green veggies, some carrots to sweeten it up.

Then they aren't going low enough. If calories in is less than calories expended you will lose weight. Works every time.

DOing things that make it worse (skipping breakfast, sedentary jobs) is irrelevant to the basic principle. And of course, a diet of Fruit Loops and Skittles isn;t the same as a good diet but if you don't have that together you sure as shit shouldn't be doing steroids.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ i can dig that.

a lot of obese people have such a low metabolism that its in their best benefit to try and increase their metabolism rather than eat less, which is what i was getting at.

example i knew a guy at the gym who couldn't gain at all even though he ate a lot!! the guy worked construction and laid pipes... he was skin and bones with lean muscle from lifting but you couldn't tell. he ends up taking an office job at the company and then like magic he starts to gain.. a year later is gained 40 pounds (obviously not all muscle)... and his diet stayed the same.

i think sitting in front of a computer/tv all day is about the worst thing you can do for your metabolism. i agree with Elliot Hulse on that who says we did not evolve to sit in front of these machines staring all day. i believe this is the #1 problem to the obesity problem in the USA. 2nd being obviously the horrendous foods.

 

[stevesmi]

Everyone has their preferences and ideas about what works and what doesn't. Its all about what works for you. Some people think they need to eat breakfast..or immediately before/after a workout..they don't and its disproven over and over, but that's a whole other topic I won't get into

With that said, I agree a lot with what Dylan has said here and I follow a lot of the same principles. Keto just isn't something that works for me. I don't handle low carbs well, and I certainly don't handle Hugh fat content well. I cycle my carbs with high days and low days with my high days being my workout days when they are needed. However, even my low days are 150-200g per day and 350-400g on high days. My fat content is always low....usually under 50g and only comes from small amounts of olive oil or peanut butter.

I think its safe to say Dylan and I have a diet that works very well for us, considering we are two of the leanest year round on the board.

i agree. the thing I don't like about keto is the boomerang effect once you come off of it. it slows down your metabolism so when you come off boom you are fucked. a lot of guys find they can't lose weight anymore cause they crashed their metabolism.

 

[Nelson Montana]

^^^ i can dig that.

a lot of obese people have such a low metabolism that its in their best benefit to try and increase their metabolism rather than eat less, which is what i was getting at.

example i knew a guy at the gym who couldn't gain at all even though he ate a lot!! the guy worked construction and laid pipes... he was skin and bones with lean muscle from lifting but you couldn't tell. he ends up taking an office job at the company and then like magic he starts to gain.. a year later is gained 40 pounds (obviously not all muscle)... and his diet stayed the same.

i think sitting in front of a computer/tv all day is about the worst thing you can do for your metabolism. i agree with Elliot Hulse on that who says we did not evolve to sit in front of these machines staring all day. i believe this is the #1 problem to the obesity problem in the USA. 2nd being obviously the horrendous foods.

That's the truth. Ya gotta eat! But you can't starve yourself thin. It's mostly about building muscle and burning calories.

 

[dylangemelli]

Yeah I tend to agree with its a poor diet. We can argue back and forth about the fat content lets not bother lets just both agree on Keto being a fas diet that leaves you feeling weak ( me anyhow )

I agree... Age has a lot to do with fat in take... Also, can you cut with a bit higher fat intake? Yes, you can... Can you cut MORE lowering fat... Absolutely... Theres just so many factors...

 

[dylangemelli]

Op... You need to figure out what your maintenance is before you start throwing outnumbers... Base your intake and numbers off that

 

[dylangemelli]

Everyone has their preferences and ideas about what works and what doesn't. Its all about what works for you. Some people think they need to eat breakfast..or immediately before/after a workout..they don't and its disproven over and over, but that's a whole other topic I won't get into

With that said, I agree a lot with what Dylan has said here and I follow a lot of the same principles. Keto just isn't something that works for me. I don't handle low carbs well, and I certainly don't handle Hugh fat content well. I cycle my carbs with high days and low days with my high days being my workout days when they are needed. However, even my low days are 150-200g per day and 350-400g on high days. My fat content is always low....usually under 50g and only comes from small amounts of olive oil or peanut butter.

I think its safe to say Dylan and I have a diet that works very well for us, considering we are two of the leanest year round on the board.

Absolutely agree bro... We are defifinitely on the same page

 

[ultimate100]

Fat seems Okay since it's a ketogenic diet, I tried keto got from 10% to 8-7% in 3 weeks wasn't on juice though.. Anyway juice isn't what's essential about cutting although it helps during keto since it made me feel like i'm gonna pass out each time i take a walk.