Domestic vs Overseas -- Which Do You Prefer?

[Nelson Montana]

After all these years, there's still some question as to which is better/safer.

Domestic is faster, though usually more expensive. But if they're busted, they have your info. OVerseas is less likely to go down, but you have customs to worry about.

With which have you had better luck?

What about Paypal? Some say that leaves a trail. But doesn't anything that involves communication via email? People use a "secure" account but that's a joke. No email is totally secure.

So let's hear it. What's your method of choice? (Without giving links of course).

 

[wootoom]

A good domestic source is the way to go for me, no customs...no worries....

 

[El Hefe]

I've almost always gone intl. First was from Bigmel back in the 90's. Everything was awesome, seamless, fast, discret, etc. until that deal fell apart.

I always felt it was safer. Of course I may be proved wrong some day. I've never used my real name. I've never used a shipping method that requires a sig. And I always write 'Not at this address - Return to sender' on the package and leave it by the door for a day or two before opening.

 

[defcon-1]

Both have there risks, but domestic is much safer imo...

 

[letsgosarms]

After all these years, there's still some question as to which is better/safer.

Domestic is faster, though usually more expensive. But if they're busted, they have your info. OVerseas is less likely to go down, but you have customs to worry about.

With which have you had better luck?

What about Paypal? Some say that leaves a trail. But doesn't anything that involves communication via email? People use a "secure" account but that's a joke. No email is totally secure.

So let's hear it. What's your method of choice? (Without giving links of course).

Paypal is usually one of the worst ways to pay for anything. Due to the fact that it is traceable, and will not be forgotten, info, addresses, transactions everything will be found.

In my experience paying with a green dot prepaid card is the best idea, if the said source accepts it.. Green dot , which available at cvs or walgreens, allows you to put a 500$ limit on there, of course bring cash to the register and say you want to put xxx amount of money on here. + a 4.95 activation fee (big whoop) . Once you get the green dot, you scratch off the number on the back, give it to the said source, and they cash it in, and bam. you get your product, no traces, nothing left for anyone to see.

As far as giving your information ie: address to the source, you use an encrypted message which is quite easy to do. There is a website that you enter your information, on the message, send the link to the source. Once they open it and get your information, the message is automatically deleted into cyberspace..Get my drift?

I would be highly surprised if no one domestically has found this way to drift under the radar. It's quite simple actually and no strings attached!

I personally wouldn't buy from overseas, as it is highly risky due to customs, although they are looking for more suspicious things like ounces or bricks of any said drug (srs) . I have never risked it myself. I have only bought domestically through what i have said above =)
Although as the poster mention above, never use a source that requires a signature. And i will note that, you better put a real name or guess what, it will be flagged, long before mr. mailman notices that this looks suspicious..Unless you do a drop location, which is a whole another story in which it is plausible to use a fake name!

PM me if you want more info! Just my 2 cents

 

[SpyWizard]

domestic for sure...

cash in the mail or greendot

with that being said, i send lots of cash for a legit business overseas western union, it's a real pain, only other option is to fly there, and have a company open a bank account for you, and you do wire transfers.. but big trail there..

issue with domestic?? eventually they all go out of business or just go away

 

[Svenman19]

living in northern canada Im always sketched about customs but I found a good trusty source payments through e transfer only shitty thing is its expensive compared to some of the other sources ive found. and western union sketches me out too lol

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[Nelson Montana]

Paypal is usually one of the worst ways to pay for anything. Due to the fact that it is traceable, and will not be forgotten, info, addresses, transactions everything will be found.

In my experience paying with a green dot prepaid card is the best idea, if the said source accepts it.. Green dot , which available at cvs or walgreens, allows you to put a 500$ limit on there, of course bring cash to the register and say you want to put xxx amount of money on here. + a 4.95 activation fee (big whoop) . Once you get the green dot, you scratch off the number on the back, give it to the said source, and they cash it in, and bam. you get your product, no traces, nothing left for anyone to see.

As far as giving your information ie: address to the source, you use an encrypted message which is quite easy to do. There is a website that you enter your information, on the message, send the link to the source. Once they open it and get your information, the message is automatically deleted into cyberspace..Get my drift?

I would be highly surprised if no one domestically has found this way to drift under the radar. It's quite simple actually and no strings attached!

I personally wouldn't buy from overseas, as it is highly risky due to customs, although they are looking for more suspicious things like ounces or bricks of any said drug (srs) . I have never risked it myself. I have only bought domestically through what i have said above =)
Although as the poster mention above, never use a source that requires a signature. And i will note that, you better put a real name or guess what, it will be flagged, long before mr. mailman notices that this looks suspicious..Unless you do a drop location, which is a whole another story in which it is plausible to use a fake name!

PM me if you want more info! Just my 2 cents

I still maintain that everything is traceable. If the source is busted and their computers are confiscated, you're in their system. You think the feds are going to go after PayAPl people and let the others walk? Don't kid yourself.

Using a fake name makes sense but people who live in apartment buildings sometimes have deliveries held at a post office, in which case you need I.D. Fake name -- you're fucked.

Nothing is fool proof. But honestly, I don't think the feds are out to bust individuals for personal possession of small amounts. Sure, they COULD. But if they're going to do a bust it's going to be for the big boys making big bucks and doing other illegal stuff in the process. Even confiscated shippments are just discarded (or pocketed) and there's no follow up. It's not worth their time. (Unless it's like $5000 worth of shit. That's intent to sell! ). I think the bigger risk/ worry is the source coming through.

 

[meathead96]

Feds don't have time to go busting the 1000's of small time buyers. They are after the suppliers. Sure domestic is safer and cheaper but it comes with a price. Once you make it yourself you realize the insane markup on gear. I just couldn't bring myself to pay those prices when I know I could get 100 times that amount for the same price.

 

[hurricane]

Feds don't have time to go busting the 1000's of small time buyers. They are after the suppliers. Sure domestic is safer and cheaper but it comes with a price. Once you make it yourself you realize the insane markup on gear. I just couldn't bring myself to pay those prices when I know I could get 100 times that amount for the same price.

get a few letters from customs and your tune my change.Nothing worse then spending alot of money and 6 months and nothing shows up..till then finally a customs letter appears

 

[letsgosarms]

get a few letters from customs and your tune my change.Nothing worse then spending alot of money and 6 months and nothing shows up..till then finally a customs letter appears

gotta love those love letters from customs...
also have to watch out from buying from red flagged countries.

 

[stevesmi]

you gotta keep changing it up ... right now my strategy is domestic for UG stuff that is cheaper and takes less than a week to get to me. if i am willing to wait 2-4 weeks i will go international for the pharm grade shit from east europe that is more expensive. however i might change my tune if i find out that domestic source sold be crappy ug shit. or if i get something seized from customs. so keep changing things up

i don't care about the customs letters cause i move around so much anyway so if they flag my address its not a big deal to me

 

[bonacris]

In Ireland our customs are a lot more laidback.. also I'm pretty sure that AAS are only illegal to sell in this country and not illegal to own

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[El Hefe]

I really don't know for sure, but I would think that all the buyers would be at risk when a domestic source gets busted. It seems like the more arrests, the better the raise or promotion. And nowadays, they'll try to paint anyone as a dealer just to make the arrest, boost their portfolio, etc.

It seems like it would be much more complicated to implicate buyers/end users when a intl source gets busted. Especially the way they might operate in a few few countries (mfg, receivables, shipping, etc). A lot of foreign departments would have to cooperate simply to find a little buyer and good luck getting a conviction because some douche in Thailand had your address in a shoebox.

 

[tha_Waco_kid]

Even if they have your address and emails, it seems to me they would not be able to prove anything. How could they tie an email, to a shipping address, to a product, and prove that you actually used X payment to buy Y product and sent to Z address. Even if they had all of these in one email they couldn't prove anything in a court of law. None of these things are illegal unless they come to your door with a warrant and get you for possession. Without possession they have nothing - paper trail of buying DVDs is not illegal even if it is obvious they are really AAS.

Obviously take all the precautions you can to stay off the grid, but this is not much of an issue unless you actually get raided. And, I highly doubt they are raiding many Joe blow recreational weightlifter's homes following a paper trail of an alleged steroid buy 6 months back. Am I missing something?

 

[mevarela3]

Ive done 5 and half years in the Feds all over the country and i never ever ran into anyone getting popped for steriods

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[moya]

Mods please edit this shit...
Why are you guys posting methods of payment... Damn...too much info here

 

[RickRock13]

Mods please edit this shit...
Why are you guys posting methods of payment... Damn...too much info here

I see no rules being broke in here. Nobody is naming sources

 

[Nelson Montana]

Mods please edit this shit...
Why are you guys posting methods of payment... Damn...too much info here

What's the problem bro. You think we're revealing some deep secrets? lol. It's all hypothetical anyway.

 

[wootoom]

there is no problems here....i think everyone knows about methods of payment

 

[robph]

i always go for domestic, int there is always the risk of customs taking your shit, i had shit seized twice and lost my money.

 

[wootoom]

Domestic is great and who knows if the international shit is even good...i would have to have a top notch source to even think of international if i did AAS

 

[Arabian]

Domestic all day long. I a have done both numerous times and domestic is bar far the easiest and I think the safest.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm a little surprised. Seems like most everyone prefers domestic but according to a lot of reviews, it's the overseas places that are most popular. What I don't get, is why it takes so long overseas. Is it all by fright ship? Why can't they just airmail a small package? I think a lot more people would gladly pay the difference in shipping.

 

[scorpio0118]

Using a domestic source is better. Its like a friend or business partner mailing you a package.

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[meathead96]

get a few letters from customs and your tune my change.Nothing worse then spending alot of money and 6 months and nothing shows up..till then finally a customs letter appears

That's why orders are always kept small. Never spend money you can't afford to lose. My international source is faster than a lot of domestic sources used.

 

[letsgosarms]

I still maintain that everything is traceable. If the source is busted and their computers are confiscated, you're in their system. You think the feds are going to go after PayAPl people and let the others walk? Don't kid yourself.

Using a fake name makes sense but people who live in apartment buildings sometimes have deliveries held at a post office, in which case you need I.D. Fake name -- you're fucked.

Nothing is fool proof. But honestly, I don't think the feds are out to bust individuals for personal possession of small amounts. Sure, they COULD. But if they're going to do a bust it's going to be for the big boys making big bucks and doing other illegal stuff in the process. Even confiscated shippments are just discarded (or pocketed) and there's no follow up. It's not worth their time. (Unless it's like $5000 worth of shit. That's intent to sell! ). I think the bigger risk/ worry is the source coming through.

I guess i am thinking of the bigger picture. Not only just steroids. Just have some knowledge in the alike, ordering domestically. You are exactly right.

My friend ordered something internationally(from a red flagged country) , and (inside) his package was a letter from customs. The package was delivered and everything. Obviously his shit was tampered with in the process. Like you said, they don't care about the small players usually. They want the big guys moving bigger weight so to say.

And domestic is very safe, i would actually say 100% safe. Saying that you use an encrypted browser, encrypted messages and untraceable ways to send payment.
Got to be smart when sending messages to random sources. Even though if they are "legit" , maybe one day they fall off, and they didn't encrypt or trash there address' and customers information, and there operation gets opened up..Well, its fair play after that....Don't ask me how i know this

I'm a little surprised. Seems like most everyone prefers domestic but according to a lot of reviews, it's the overseas places that are most popular. What I don't get, is why it takes so long overseas. Is it all by fright ship? Why can't they just airmail a small package? I think a lot more people would gladly pay the difference in shipping.

I know that if you order from England it is royal airmail(most expensive type). Took 15 days to get to me. The anticipation kills me when ordering overseas. I also think it varies depending on where you order from, and what type of service.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

get a few letters from customs and your tune my change.Nothing worse then spending alot of money and 6 months and nothing shows up..till then finally a customs letter appears

fuck that shit bro.


thats why all my aas is doctor perscribed. but even if it wasnt, paypal, credit cards, western union whatever....other than small town asshole cops that maybe wanna get promoted I dont see the big bad dea or feds coming after 100 people in some guy's computer that order 5-10 vials of aas a year. thats stupid and a giant waste of time and tax money. if someone showed up at my door for that id tell them to kiss my ass.

 

[wootoom]

fuck that shit bro.


thats why all my aas is doctor perscribed. but even if it wasnt, paypal, credit cards, western union whatever....other than small town asshole cops that maybe wanna get promoted I dont see the big bad dea or feds coming after 100 people in some guy's computer that order 5-10 vials of aas a year. thats stupid and a giant waste of time and tax money. if someone showed up at my door for that id tell them to kiss my ass.

Same, I would laugh at them..plus it would never happen to small amounts...they don't have time to give a shit...you will get one of them nice seizure letters...big fucking deal

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Same, I would laugh at them..plus it would never happen to small amounts...they don't have time to give a shit...you will get one of them nice seizure letters...big fucking deal

I was actually referring to domestic bro. if they use the post office then thats a federal deal. but if a source gets busted I cant see a hundred people that order peanuts getting busted for having 3 vials of sust and 2 vials of tren ya know.
even if there was a computer trail they have to get you with it. they gonna bust down your door after 6 cars rush your driveway for a few vials of aas? fuck them. heres my script assholes.

 

[letsgosarms]

I was actually referring to domestic bro. if they use the post office then thats a federal deal. but if a source gets busted I cant see a hundred people that order peanuts getting busted for having 3 vials of sust and 2 vials of tren ya know.
even if there was a computer trail they have to get you with it. they gonna bust down your door after 6 cars rush your driveway for a few vials of aas? fuck them. heres my script assholes.

you got it! it's very rare that your package will be flagged at the USPS post office. Obviously don't order ups/fedex because they are privately owned, and they don't need a warrant to open your stuff. And although they do have dogs sometimes sniff it out, it wouldn't be a single worry for vials, one bit. I had a friend that was a postal inspecting person at usps, and he gave me all the insides. It wouldn't even matter if you brought vials on your carry-on through airport security! They don't xray at usps

Go domestic if the source is right. Its very very easy to find reputable sources here, all legitimate. Just got to search around!

 

[El Hefe]

I recently watched the movie Snitch with Dwayne Johnson. It was based on a true story. A kid (Dwayne's son) was friends with a drug dealer who sent a package to his house and he got caught with this tracked package of pills because they were watching/monitoring his friend - the drug dealer.

The DEA (I think) was asking every suspect to essentially rat on someone else to lower there sentence. The drug dealer would wind up ratting on customers claiming that they were more than customers thus cooperating and lowering his sentence.

I understand the thought of "why would they care about us little guys with just a few vials?" Well, here's what your forgetting:
Let say they pop a dealer with $100k+ in gear. There is a VERY good chance that someone in his customer/contact book has just as much gear or more than him. Most street dealers (not the guy with large business, website, mfg, pharma supp, etc) buy from other dealers. Sometimes gear goes through 2-4 tiers of resale before reaching the noob at 24 hr fitness willing to pay 3x.

I remember a popular source back in the 90's. his prices were great. As a result, I bet 20% of his customers would wind up reselling gear and making a fortune (probably marking it up more than the original dealer). The law knows this. So just remember, those little guys in the little black book are important and not always little. And, if your source is cheap, there are plenty of customers reselling his gear.

 

[stevesmi]

Ive done 5 and half years in the Feds all over the country and i never ever ran into anyone getting popped for steriods

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the last time i bought from overseas my package arrived in my mailbox OPENED!! with the steroid amps taped together hanging out of the package!! i laughed when i saw that.

bottom line is you are right.. they don't give a shit about some juice monkey gym rat who wants to build some muscle and will let that shit go through. now if you are trying to sell it then you are fucking yourself. guys ask me all the time if they can buy some shit off of me and i tell them NO period. i will not sell it to you under any circumstance

 

[El Hefe]

Does anyone know how it works when someone orders from an intl site and they have a script? Is the script actually enclosed in/with the package? Or is it just for the company's records? It seems unlikely that customs would actually inspect and verify scripts for prescription drugs. How could they? Seems like there would be some sort of law or protection from a customs agent calling your doc to discuss your meds.

As a result, it could be that most shipments pass through customs (as Stevesmi mentioned) because they have no way of knowing if its an illegal shipment. And there are millions of people ordering from these intl pharmacies to save money. They're mainly looking for other stuff.

 

[stevesmi]

Does anyone know how it works when someone orders from an intl site and they have a script? Is the script actually enclosed in/with the package? Or is it just for the company's records? It seems unlikely that customs would actually inspect and verify scripts for prescription drugs. How could they? Seems like there would be some sort of law or protection from a customs agent calling your doc to discuss your meds.

As a result, it could be that most shipments pass through customs (as Stevesmi mentioned) because they have no way of knowing if its an illegal shipment. And there are millions of people ordering from these intl pharmacies to save money. They're mainly looking for other stuff.

good point bro.

thats probably what happened in my case. they viewed it as medication .. they are looking for hard drugs, not drugs in an amp or vial. as far as they are concerned it could be for my dog!

 

[robph]

shit bros.. if the feds wanted to bust me..they just have to show up at my door and take a look at me and its pretty obvious.. you cant get this big and lean naturally! lmfao

 

[Mh48500]

I am strictly international because of my location...but get this, Customs in Mexico has cracked down on all powders coming in and I actually have to bounce this shit through the US because its easier....then across the border.

Mexican customs will actually return ship, for free, your shit back if detained. That only means they dont care whats in the package, they want it imported legally...no samples.

 

[Mh48500]

I'm a little surprised. Seems like most everyone prefers domestic but according to a lot of reviews, it's the overseas places that are most popular. What I don't get, is why it takes so long overseas. Is it all by fright ship? Why can't they just airmail a small package? I think a lot more people would gladly pay the difference in shipping.

All my stuff has been airmail, 10 days from Asia. They for some reason, based on tracking, usually leave it hanging in outbound country for a week or more, then on to destination.

Plus international routes vary by carrier. I have had stuff pass through Santiago de Chile coming to Mexico, Cinncinati, Ohio coming to Mexico, or direct to Mexico????

Makes you wonder, but it has all been air.

 

[Nelson Montana]

shit bros.. if the feds wanted to bust me..they just have to show up at my door and take a look at me and its pretty obvious.. you cant get this big and lean naturally! lmfao

They could bust you with possession but they'd have to take blood test to do it. lol

 

[vikingblood]

"personally wouldn't buy from overseas, as it is highly risky due to customs, although they are looking for more suspicious things like ounces or bricks of any said drug (srs) . I have never risked it myself. I have only bought domestically through what i have said above =)
Although as the poster mention above, never use a source that requires a signature. And i will note that, you better put a real name or guess what, it will be flagged, long before mr. mailman notices that this looks suspicious..Unless you do a drop location, which is a whole another story in which it is plausible to use a fake name!"

You dont use a fake name? That seems really unsafe.

 

[digit0x]

I still maintain that everything is traceable. If the source is busted and their computers are confiscated, you're in their system. You think the feds are going to go after PayAPl people and let the others walk? Don't kid yourself.

Using a fake name makes sense but people who live in apartment buildings sometimes have deliveries held at a post office, in which case you need I.D. Fake name -- you're fucked.

Nothing is fool proof. But honestly, I don't think the feds are out to bust individuals for personal possession of small amounts. Sure, they COULD. But if they're going to do a bust it's going to be for the big boys making big bucks and doing other illegal stuff in the process. Even confiscated shippments are just discarded (or pocketed) and there's no follow up. It's not worth their time. (Unless it's like $5000 worth of shit. That's intent to sell! ). I think the bigger risk/ worry is the source coming through.

Domestics. Feds aren't going to track down the little guys. Not enough resources.

 

[matter2003]

I went domestic, safe mail, fake name, green dot moneypak...that being said, I've never heard of a person getting busted for taking stuff for personal use, usually they are interested in taking down the suppliers...I mean even when customs seizes stuff they send a letter telling you to pay a fine but then the last page of the letter tells you if you don't respond in 30 days they will keep the contraband and drop the case.

I mean, all federal agencies other than the FDA were against banning steroids because there was not enough evidence that responsible use caused long term problems. I watched a 60 minutes piece on it that really opened my eyes...I had always heard they were very dangerous, but the research and long term effects on people don't back that up as long as they take the necessary precautions and don't abuse them.

 

[RobertD1885]

Have only ordered 5 times. All international. I believe a degree of paranoia is healthy. I only order two vials at a time. I use a shill email account that I only ever access from a FedEx location. I pay via moneygram using a fake ID and name. I wear a hat, glasses and coat, and I turn off my cell so my GPS can not track me, when visiting the Fedex computer and Moneygram place. I have it sent to my house with real name. IMO it would be more suspicious if I did not use my real name. I believe the steps I take allow me plausible deniability should the package get flagged.

 

[Race121]

get a few letters from customs and your tune my change.Nothing worse then spending alot of money and 6 months and nothing shows up..till then finally a customs letter appears

That sums it up for me too. Fortunately, I've had a good, trustworthy domestic source the past five years. No e-mailing or sending $. Tell him what I want on Monday, pick-up on Saturday.

 

[bonacris]

Have only ordered 5 times. All international. I believe a degree of paranoia is healthy. I only order two vials at a time. I use a shill email account that I only ever access from a FedEx location. I pay via moneygram using a fake ID and name. I wear a hat, glasses and coat, and I turn off my cell so my GPS can not track me, when visiting the Fedex computer and Moneygram place. I have it sent to my house with real name. IMO it would be more suspicious if I did not use my real name. I believe the steps I take allow me plausible deniability should the package get flagged.

Is it those fake glasses with the mustache because those are very obvious ;-)

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