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Argument with cop last night

the_alcatraz

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Scene: My girlfriend and I coming out of the parking lot adjacent to her bar.

Cop: License and registration
Me: Officer, what did you pull me over for?
Cop: Soberietary (however the fuck you spell that...he was trying to say he wants to check if I'm sober)
Me: Did I swiftly change lanes or was my car moving in a way that suggests I'm drunk?
Cop: No, that's why I didn't give you the breathalizer.
Me: So what you're saying is you pulled me over to check if I'm drunk when it was obvious that I'm not?
Cop: Sir, license and registration please...
Me: Officer, I don't think you provided a valid excuse for why you pulled me over and I believe that is my right...
Cop: Sir, I already told you what I pulled you over for...
Me: (Interrupted him) So is this your thing, you wait outside of bars and pull over cars as they come out of bars?
Cop: yes, to make sure they are safe...
Me: I believe that's called entrapment...(I hand him over my license and registration, ensurance papers, etc...)
Cop: He comes back and says your ensurance is expired but I reduced your ticket to 65$ instead of $120...
Me: So....let me recap. You pull someone over outside the bar, even if they don't give you a reason to and you try to find something on them...and since you are doing this every night right outside of my girlfriend's bar, that's not only entrapment but harrassement as well....what divion do you belong to? is your badge number on the ticket?
Cop: (stutters) yes, all the information is on the ticket....
Me: I'm going to take this to court...
Cop: if you want, I can make it worth your while and give you the full value of the ticket...
Me: So....now you're blackmailing me? I'm going to take a ride to division (censored) and submit a compliant with your badge number based on harassement, entrapment and blackmail....how's that sound?
Cop: (shocked look on his face) silence...
Me: Have a good night officer...
Cop: Good night...

I drive off....
Discuss.
 
You need Probable Cause to justify why he pulled you over to begin with. It can be for anything from an equipment violation (Exp registration, brake light out) or a moving violation.

Once that is establish, if the Officer believes you to be Under the Influence, he can check your sobriety. BUT he has to have and give you a reason why he pulled you over, being near a bar DOES NOT give Probable Cause to check for sobriety.

Now, if he watched you stumble out of the bar and get into your car, that is enough Probable Cause to pull u over to check your sobriety.

Fight the ticket, you will get out of it
 
being a dick has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of cops and I almost became a cop at one point. That very cop just chills out side my gf's bar and pull people over...I called (xxxx police) last night and they said he can't do that...
 
I don't know about Canada, but here in the US cops pull you over for any reason they see fit, and complaining to the department will get you nowhere. You can't claim entrapment by police staking out a bar around here either, since they set up major roadblocks and DUI checkpoints in random spots of every major city on every holiday and weekend.

Our company Xmas party was held at an Indian Casino this year, and the Valley Center Police Department set up a DUI checkpoint about 100 yards down the road catching people all night long.
 
the_alcatraz said:
being a dick has nothing to do with it. I know plenty of cops and I almost became a cop at one point. That very cop just chills out side my gf's bar and pull people over...I called (xxxx police) last night and they said he can't do that...
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Being a dick has everything to do with it. I'm sure quite a few drunk people drive home after being at her bar. He is just making sure people are safe. Had you not had to complain about it you most likely would have been on your way in a few seconds.
 
I have never fought a ticket, seems like it is giant waste of time just to save 100 bucks or whatever.
People have told me to fight tickets before, fuck that.
There's always going to be people who it and I am glad they do, just not for me.
 
miplank said:
Being a dick has everything to do with it. I'm sure quite a few drunk people drive home after being at her bar. He is just making sure people are safe. Had you not had to complain about it you most likely would have been on your way in a few seconds.
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that's not true. it's the safe cop that pulls over the bar's customer everyday...and in canada, a cop is not allowed to do that....i dont know about the US.
 
lartinos said:
I have never fought a ticket, seems like it is giant waste of time just to save 100 bucks or whatever.
People have told me to fight tickets before, fuck that.
There's always going to be people who it and I am glad they do, just not for me.
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$100 bucks? Damn, either you haven't gotten a ticket in a while or we get seriously ass-raped here in CA compared to NY. Got a ticket from a traffic camera a while back for $971.00.
 
WoodyO said:
$100 bucks? Damn, either you haven't gotten a ticket in a while or we get seriously ass-raped here in CA compared to NY. Got a ticket from a traffic camera a while back for $971.00.
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lol!
I don't get many tickets at all. I think it will be like 70 dollars. I gotta read that POS and see what it is.
When I was a kid I got a 300 dollar ticket for parking in a handicap spot.
 
the_alcatraz said:
that's not true. it's the safe cop that pulls over the bar's customer everyday...and in canada, a cop is not allowed to do that....i dont know about the US.
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It's not true that no drunk people have driven home from that bar? People are fuckin idiots and I would much rather be pulled over from a cop checking people leaving a bar than someone I know get killed by a drunk driver. If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. It's cool you got tough with him in front of your girl bro...:rolleyes:


The guy was just doing his job, give him a break.
 
miplank said:
It's not true that no drunk people have driven home from that bar? People are fuckin idiots and I would much rather be pulled over from a cop checking people leaving a bar than someone I know get killed by a drunk driver. If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. It's cool you got tough with him in front of your girl bro...:rolleyes:


The guy was just doing his job, give him a break.
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Bro, I'm not a cop hater. Half my friends are cops....it's cool...I just don't like arrogant cops who pull you over "looking" for something...he had no legit reason to pull me over and he was being all patronizing with me...I wasnt going to have it. I might be arab, but I pump Canadian bloob, proudly, and I have rights just like anyone else. He can kiss my ass.
 
Downtown in my city cops will be next to the bar/entertainment strip of town but they do not pull people over unless they are tipsy, having that cop constantly do this only in her bar could actually drive customers away from her business so it's good that you mentioned it, her customers can feel harassed.
 
nangiggles said:
Downtown in my city cops will be next to the bar/entertainment strip of town but they do not pull people over unless they are tipsy, having that cop constantly do this only in her bar could actually drive customers away from her business so it's good that you mentioned it, her customers can feel harassed.
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How do you know what they stop them for? You don't, and I bet they stop a lot of people that are sober too.
 
I bet had you not lipped him you wouldn't have gotten any kind of ticket. And it's not entrapment it's reasonable to pull people over close to bars or after certain hours to check for drinking and driving. You can easily be over the legal limit and not be swerving all over the road. If you did nothing wrong than you shouldn't give a shit about being pulled over. Your attitude got you the ticket plain and simple.
 
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nangiggles said:
Downtown in my city cops will be next to the bar/entertainment strip of town but they do not pull people over unless they are tipsy, having that cop constantly do this only in her bar could actually drive customers away from her business so it's good that you mentioned it, her customers can feel harassed.
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I thought Disney security guards policed your city?
 
superqt4u2nv said:
I bet had you not lipped him you wouldn't have gotten any kind of ticket. And it's not entrapment it's reasonable to pull people over close to bars or after certain hours to check for drinking and driving. You can easily be over the legal limit and not be swerving all over the road. If you did nothing wrong than you shouldn't give a shit about being pulled over. Your attitude got you the ticket plain and simple.
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Exactly
 
gatemoney said:
WHAT!? are you fucking serious?
Somebody better be dead for a G!
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CA is expensive. My very first ticket was in 1994, I was doing 82 in a 25 zone, driving along the beach in Carlsbad at 2am. Cost just shy of $1200.00.

I got out of the $971.00 traffic camera ticket, since I didn't run the red, I was inching around the corner in a right turn lane and the camera took my picture. but, it still was bullshit taking the time to go to court.

My 1st traffic camera ticket was probably around 1996 and it was for $371.00, plus an additional $30.00 to the courts for the privilege of taking traffic school and another $25.00 for the school.
 
WoodyO said:
CA is expensive. My very first ticket was in 1994, I was doing 82 in a 25 zone, driving along the beach in Carlsbad at 2am. Cost just shy of $1200.00.

I got out of the $971.00 traffic camera ticket, since I didn't run the red, I was inching around the corner in a right turn lane and the camera took my picture. but, it still was bullshit taking the time to go to court.

My 1st traffic camera ticket was probably around 1996 and it was for $371.00, plus an additional $30.00 to the courts for the privilege of taking traffic school and another $25.00 for the school.
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That's insane!!
 
miplank said:
How do you know what they stop them for? You don't, and I bet they stop a lot of people that are sober too.
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because the next time they come into the bar, they talk about the same cop pulling them over every damn day and it's like harassement and it's getting annoying coming into the bar, etc...
 
superqt4u2nv said:
I bet had you not lipped him you wouldn't have gotten any kind of ticket. And it's not entrapment it's reasonable to pull people over close to bars or after certain hours to check for drinking and driving. You can easily be over the legal limit and not be swerving all over the road. If you did nothing wrong than you shouldn't give a shit about being pulled over. Your attitude got you the ticket plain and simple.
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He parks literally right outside the bar....and as soon as a car leaves the parking lot, he turns on the sirens....I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with that...

When you say there's nothing wrong with it, what do you base your information on? you a cop?
 
the_alcatraz said:
He parks literally right outside the bar....and as soon as a car leaves the parking lot, he turns on the sirens....I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with that...

When you say there's nothing wrong with it, what do you base your information on? you a cop?
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I'm not but I have a lot of cop friends BBMed one and guess what they are with in there legal right to do so. Drinking and driving is not like other laws reasonable suspicion is all that is needed. FYI driving is not a right it's a privilege that's why you take a test etc. You got a mighty big chip on your shoulder dude need to get it in check.
 
miplank said:
Pwnt
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Double cause I checked with two diffrent guys they both said about the same thing. They can pull you over for anything check if you have a valid liscense valid insurance etc. One dudes got close to 20 years on the force and the other like 10 so pretty sure they know what they are talking about.
 
wow you did everything possible to get a ticket huh? Glad it worked out for you lol!

btw: cops don't need PC in certain aspects like DUI checks outside popular bars. No different then pulling over a mercedes in a drug neigbhorhood.
 
so you guys think that if a cop hangs out specifically outside your bar and your bar only and you're not gonna say anything? this can potentially hurt business, apparently the guy isn't out patrolling the streets or the bar area, he is PARKED outside their bar targeting their customers, there has to be something wrong with that... it does sound like harassment
 
sixxtoes said:
You need Probable Cause to justify why he pulled you over to begin with. It can be for anything from an equipment violation (Exp registration, brake light out) or a moving violation.

Once that is establish, if the Officer believes you to be Under the Influence, he can check your sobriety. BUT he has to have and give you a reason why he pulled you over, being near a bar DOES NOT give Probable Cause to check for sobriety.

Now, if he watched you stumble out of the bar and get into your car, that is enough Probable Cause to pull u over to check your sobriety.

Fight the ticket, you will get out of it
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Id really like to finish pulling those panties off
 
nangiggles said:
so you guys think that if a cop hangs out specifically outside your bar and your bar only and you're not gonna say anything? this can potentially hurt business, apparently the guy isn't out patrolling the streets or the bar area, he is PARKED outside their bar targeting their customers, there has to be something wrong with that... it does sound like harassment
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Perhaps it's an area with a lot of incident calls, and his department has stationed him there.
 
nangiggles said:
so you guys think that if a cop hangs out specifically outside your bar and your bar only and you're not gonna say anything? this can potentially hurt business, apparently the guy isn't out patrolling the streets or the bar area, he is PARKED outside their bar targeting their customers, there has to be something wrong with that... it does sound like harassment
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You have no way of knowing if he is exclusively there, or if other flickers aren't near other bars as well.

How is it going to hurt business if people aren't breaking the law?

Just sounds lie a lot of crybaby bullshit.
 
miplank said:
You have no way of knowing if he is exclusively there, or if other flickers aren't near other bars as well.

How is it going to hurt business if people aren't breaking the law?

Just sounds lie a lot of crybaby bullshit.
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if you have 2 equally nice bars by your house but one of them has a cop parked every night who will stop people 2 out of 5 times, wouldn't you prefer to go to the one without the cop? I'm just throwing numbers out there, I dont know how often he pulls people over, and I'm not saying people are or are not breaking the law, but if you are tired and done for the night, even if you are not intoxicated, dealing with a cop is time consuming when you are tired and trying to get home, it isnt fun...
 
nangiggles said:
if you have 2 equally nice bars by your house but one of them has a cop parked every night who will stop people 2 out of 5 times, wouldn't you prefer to go to the one without the cop? I'm just throwing numbers out there, I dont know how often he pulls people over, and I'm not saying people are or are not breaking the law, but if you are tired and done for the night, even if you are not intoxicated, dealing with a cop is time consuming when you are tired and trying to get home, it isnt fun...
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Wouldn't bother me a bit. In my experience the only people that have a problem with cops have something to hide.

Sure there are pry some officers out there that tarnish the image but Jesus fuck the guy is just doing his job. If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear.
 
Based on what I know about cops, here's what's likely to happen.

Cop will talk with all his good buddies on the force, and inform them that if they ever see (insert your vehicle description here) bearing license plate (insert your license plate here), be sure to nail Traz even for being a little over the speed limit or for whatever minor infraction they might witness. This is how cops generally deal with people they perceive as being 'difficult'.
 
all I got from this thread was.....I agree with plank (wtf) , get a cab, and it didn't take long for traz to replace the wife (is that an "atta" boy moment or not..Im not sure)
 
Just returned from the Regal Beagle. Mrs Roper was playing darts for a while, trying to avoid Stanley. A new bartender named Bob was working. Jim must have had the night off.
 
but wait...if we did..can we skip? skipping might cheer me up
 
I didn't read any other posts, but if you're driving uninsured it's a misdemeanor in the US, at least (or in Utah at least I should say). Cops have scanners on their cars here that hit basically every plate in front and behind them and that shit can come up. But if he had no real reason to pull you over and none of the scanner shit came into play, I can't imagine you'd have to pay.

You should have shoe bombed his ass.
 
jnevin said:
I didn't read any other posts, but if you're driving uninsured it's a misdemeanor in the US, at least (or in Utah at least I should say). Cops have scanners on their cars here that hit basically every plate in front and behind them and that shit can come up. But if he had no real reason to pull you over and none of the scanner shit came into play, I can't imagine you'd have to pay.

You should have shoe bombed his ass.
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Lol
 
canadianhitman said:
Based on what I know about cops, here's what's likely to happen.

Cop will talk with all his good buddies on the force, and inform them that if they ever see (insert your vehicle description here) bearing license plate (insert your license plate here), be sure to nail Traz even for being a little over the speed limit or for whatever minor infraction they might witness. This is how cops generally deal with people they perceive as being 'difficult'.
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It ain't right but it's true espeically if the guy is a traffic cop. If it is in the region I think it is he's so screwed better not drive a click over the limit.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Discuss...
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you already have a girlfriend?? dang, dude!

oh and, you get pulled over in pennsylvania and your insurance is expired? you're getting a big ass fine AND you're walking home.

oh and, if you're not a lawyer who's an expert in civil/constitutional/whatever-the-fuck-kind-of-law-it-is, you probably should keep your theories on profiling and entrapment to yourself when johnny law is just running a general check on your documents...especially if you venture south of the border...eh.
 
WoodyO said:
Just returned from the Regal Beagle. Mrs Roper was playing darts for a while, trying to avoid Stanley. A new bartender named Bob was working. Jim must have had the night off.
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i would still ass-bang suzanne summers damn yo.

and i generally don't like cops, fuck them is my attitude, though i understand completely the need for them and respect what they have to do for the most part.
i've done it both ways when approached, taken the fuk off stance (got my ass slammed to the ground and was all black and blue) and capitulated right away (treated with respect, no cuffs, cop let me walk on a stout misd.)...the latter works a hella lot better imo
 
oh and, 2.3g's of sauce a week? 67% of which is known to have a negative impact on your sex life?? good luck with the whole bangin' the new girl 2-3 times a day...eh.
 
Did somebody say hoser? LOL

We need beer!
 
superqt4u2nv said:
I'm not but I have a lot of cop friends BBMed one and guess what they are with in there legal right to do so. Drinking and driving is not like other laws reasonable suspicion is all that is needed. FYI driving is not a right it's a privilege that's why you take a test etc. You got a mighty big chip on your shoulder dude need to get it in check.
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well i just go it dropped...I was right. Called a friend of mine, a cop, and he said that cop was just being an asshole....he talked to him and the ticket is in the bucket. case closed.
 
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