Letrozole as my AI... Need help bad...

[The Alpha...]

Ok, I got my letrozole in the other day and am needing to start.... Problem is I got a packet of 10 tabs at 2.5mg's each. I know recommended dose for me would be .25 -.50 ed... So WTF?? These tabs are really f'n small pretty much like a pellet (******* mfg) if u would like to google image... So what should I do? how can I split? What's my options if any? I'm lost on this one... They came free with my last purchase so thats really why I'm even gonna use em. Not looking forward to the limp dick syndrome either but I gotta start my AI ASAP...


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[stevesmi]

don't use them man. flush them down the toilet.

thats all i will tell you. read all the threads on here from guys who used it and now have problems.

 

[C.K.]

letro should only be used for gyno

 

[Sherk]

^^^ It crashed my libido to the point I didn't care if my girl was throwing her p at me. She couldn't even rape me because my soldier didn't work no matter what she did to me. Even after I came off it I was f'd up for a while. Use forma or adex for an AI. I'll never use letro again unless I absolutely have to. I used it for a very small lump behind my nip.

 

[mich29]

femara aka letrozle is a very very strong ai.what you experienced is normal you should only use femara when you are sure your going to have a gyno problem because as you found out femara is very strong and will knock the shit outta your sex game.

 

[j_p]

letro should only be used for gyno

sorry but thats bullshit its the only AI i use

 

[j_p]

dont listin to the guy here saying no to letro the issue is peopel use too much ro toften and dont understand it
!)get a pill splitter, one liek this: Pill splitting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2) using letro: 0.6mg (about 1/4th of a 2.5mg tab) every 2-3 days ! and NOt more then eod at MAX.
I useletro 1-2 X week at 1.2mg (half a tab) about every 3 days and it works great on cycle.
dosing 0.25-0.6mg eod-e3d.

i have been doing it liek this dfor over 3 years now (not none stop) and have loved it. pritty cheap too since a little gose a long way

 

[The Alpha...]

I appreciate everyone's feedback, but I think I gotta go with Stevemi advice! It came with my package of gear but with my cycle I'm thinking I don't need it.. I'm using prop/npp/masteron/eq and haven't experienced any gyno symptoms. My original purpose was to use as an AI or just as gyno prevention. Without any symptoms it's pointless I guess... Just save it for some other time if really needed...


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[UA_Iron]

If you tossed them then youre stupid... The person recommending this course of action might as well be in the same boat.

Nothing else is more effective. That includes weak AI's that have been converted to topical formulations (meaning even worse absorption...) that are popular on this board.

Studies have shown increases in testosterone in males using letro. I have posted them.

 

[-SD-]

Completely nukes your libido

 

[Ripp42]

don't use them man. flush them down the toilet.

thats all i will tell you. read all the threads on here from guys who used it and now have problems.

+1

Only on hand if gyno comes out to play.

Adex or forma!

 

[Ripp42]

If you tossed them then youre stupid... The person recommending this course of action might as well be in the same boat.

Nothing else is more effective. That includes weak AI's that have been converted to topical formulations (meaning even worse absorption...) that are popular on this board.

Studies have shown increases in testosterone in males using letro. I have posted them.

Really? Interested post it!

 

[stevesmi]

If you tossed them then youre stupid... The person recommending this course of action might as well be in the same boat.

we have like 10 threads on the first page from people who used letro and have major sides. and yet you have the audicity to call everyone stupid?

really?

its a DRUG used to treat post breast cancer in post menopausal women. not made for bodybuilders in the first place.

yet everyone who has used formestane says they have zero problems. you never even tried it, you are one of those guys stuck in the 80's using harsh drugs to accomplish everything.

we are 2012, not 1983

forma was designed for BODYBUILDERS and it is ample as an AI. why would i use something designed for breast cancered OLD women vs. something designed for bodybuilders? that is what is stupid IMHO.

yes i'm sure you have studies to show letro is a great AI, and I am not denying that. what I am denying is why would you subject yourself to zillion side effects?

 

[UA_Iron]

we have like 10 threads on the first page from people who used letro and have major sides. and yet you have the audicity to call everyone stupid?

I called you stupid for telling him to throw away the most effective AI that exists. Then you got emotional and put words in my mouth.

its a DRUG used to treat post breast cancer in post menopausal women. not made for bodybuilders in the first place.

So what? I see this argument used often and it doesn't hold any water. Off label uses of medications is common throughout the medical practice and not a valid argument to dismiss something's effectiveness.

Formestane was not invented for bodybuilders either. So I'm not sure where you're going with this.

yet everyone who has used formestane says they have zero problems. you never even tried it, you are one of those guys stuck in the 80's using harsh drugs to accomplish everything.

This is simply not true. Lethargy is the biggest side effect thats reported, rashes are another one.

we are 2012, not 1983

What was it like in 1983? I wouldn't know.

forma was designed for BODYBUILDERS and it is ample as an AI. why would i use something designed for breast cancered OLD women vs. something designed for bodybuilders? that is what is stupid IMHO.

A topical preparation of a long established drug is still the same compound. So this statement is again false. I wonder why formestane never caught on in the fist place... oh, because no one like injecting it and more effective drugs existed. Formestane itself is probably over 20 years old.

yes i'm sure you have studies to show letro is a great AI, and I am not denying that. what I am denying is why would you subject yourself to zillion side effects?

If you're smart with letro it works very well. It will smash gyno and estrogen related sides faster than any other compound out there will.

If you're even smarter you dont even need to run an AI, and you see better gains overall with no sides from any AI.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ forma was made for bodybuilders and it blows the shit out of letro from top to bottom to use for aromatizing compounds. this is my opinion as well as the opinions of 99% of people on this board.

you never used it, thus your opinion means zilch.

 

[ConanX]

Letro killed a gyno lump which nolva, adex, caber, and the OTC supps couldn't get rid of.

Libido does suck though. Now that the gyno is gone, I'm thinking of running Adex now and hoping that will keep it at bay.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ yes but the OP isn't asking how to get rid of his gyno.. he is asking about using letro as an AI.

if he was asking about gyno i would have sent him to CK who is the mod with the gyno knowledge.

 

[The Alpha...]

Correct, I asked about letrozole as an AI. I've never used it before, I've only used nolva and clomid. When I bought my cycle package my advisor threw in the pack of letrozole as a freebee. I was told that with me planning on running test prop and Deca phenyl propionate for 16wks it may be needed or wise to use as AI or just gyno prevention again "as needed". I am currently 6wks into the 16 wk program designed and thought about maybe trying a minimal amount just in case. I have no gyno symptoms at all and after further convo it's been determined that I don't need it. As I said earlier, I'll put it away for a rainy day... Learning experience I suppose...


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[ConanX]

Correct, I asked about letrozole as an AI. I've never used it before, I've only used nolva and clomid. When I bought my cycle package my advisor threw in the pack of letrozole as a freebee. I was told that with me planning on running test prop and Deca phenyl propionate for 16wks it may be needed or wise to use as AI or just gyno prevention again "as needed". I am currently 6wks into the 16 wk program designed and thought about maybe trying a minimal amount just in case. I have no gyno symptoms at all and after further convo it's been determined that I don't need it. As I said earlier, I'll put it away for a rainy day... Learning experience I suppose...


Beast Mode

Save it for when you decide to go crazy and run some 2-3 gram cycle. Then you may find that Letrozole is unfortunately the only way to go.

Adex always did me good as an AI. If you can get a hold of it, low dose here and there might do just fine.

 

[The Alpha...]

Save it for when you decide to go crazy and run some 2-3 gram cycle. Then you may find that Letrozole is unfortunately the only way to go.

Adex always did me good as an AI. If you can get a hold of it, low dose here and there might do just fine.

Thanks bro! Solid advice as usual...


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[C.K.]

anyway I learned a long time ago to only use enough test for libido "around 300 mgs" and not to run anything else that aromatises, I mean the possibilities here are endless and you don't have to run ai's and deal with the sides from them or progesterone and estrogen...

proviron and masteron are more then enough to combat anything under 500 mgs test I've run a gram of sustanon and around half that of mast with no problems and I am very gyno prone just not risking it again

 

[The Alpha...]

anyway I learned a long time ago to only use enough test for libido "around 300 mgs" and not to run anything else that aromatises, I mean the possibilities here are endless and you don't have to run ai's and deal with the sides from them or progesterone and estrogen...

proviron and masteron are more then enough to combat anything under 500 mgs test I've run a gram of sustanon and around half that of mast with no problems and I am very gyno prone just not risking it again

I'm running
300mg test prop p/w
400mg npp p/w
400mg eq p/w
200mg masteron p/w

Had bad problem with appetite at first, couldn't eat shit! Better now, no sides at all lately... Only problem is good/bad cholesterol is kinda f'ed right now so I gotta get that in check. The letrozole will sit for some other time...


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[vocor]

I think you made the right call. If you haven't used either, why not use the one that is more mild first, and see how you respond?
I give this advice to folks thinking of Propecia/Proscar v Avodart . . . sure Avodart is technically stronger, blocking more DHT, but some folks get gyno off of it (since no test is being converted to DHT, it gets converted to estrogen instead in some folks who are prone to gyno).
After they use the milder solution, if that doesn't work, then maybe try the more extreme one.
We are playing with natural body chemistry here . . . if you shock the system, it'll definitely shock you back once in a while.

 

[ConanX]

anyway I learned a long time ago to only use enough test for libido "around 300 mgs" and not to run anything else that aromatises, I mean the possibilities here are endless and you don't have to run ai's and deal with the sides from them or progesterone and estrogen...

proviron and masteron are more then enough to combat anything under 500 mgs test I've run a gram of sustanon and around half that of mast with no problems and I am very gyno prone just not risking it again

I would do the same and stick to Primo, Masteron, Winny, Superdrol....BUT...hairloss is a major concern for me and the dry gains aren't worth going bald at such a young age. So far my hair holds together with mild test, EQ, and tren...

Crazy how a hormone will cause sides so you use a drug to combat that. But this causes other hormone issues which you have to beat with another drug. And it just goes on and on...the price we pay to be big...

 

[The Alpha...]

A perpetual cycle that will NEVER end... Once you got the bug, it's never the same...


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[UA_Iron]

^^^ forma was made for bodybuilders and it blows the shit out of letro from top to bottom to use for aromatizing compounds. this is my opinion as well as the opinions of 99% of people on this board.

you never used it, thus your opinion means zilch.

Forma, or active ingredient Formestane was in fact developed for breast cancer treatment. A topical formulation is just a different delivery method with the same overall goal.

Formestane is a second generation aromatase inhibitor, third generation AI's are much more effective at combating estrogen. These include: aromasin, letrozole and arimidex. Now I'm not saying that these make them superior to forma, I'm saying for estrogen suppression there are better choices out there.


99% of this people on this board huh? That's an interesting statistic, I would like you to back that up with some calculations. Does this include people who have not posted since before forma was even marketed? I can assure that even this population represents greater than 1%; I can assure you that this population, even exposed to forma on other boards represents greater than 1%. Then we add in the jokesters non-juicer non-breast cancer patients in C&C and we're surely greater than 1%. I don't even need to crunch numbers to assure you that your number is 100% wrong on saying that 99% of the board's opinion is against mine.


Now, I'll get to the real meat of this thread. As an AI, Forma is still a good choice for this cycle. Some other good choices are aromasin (my #1 in this case), anastrazole/arimidex, and Erase (this is perhaps even more effective than aromasin with the added benefit it reduces cortisol levels).

Letro is not the best choice, but its certainly doesn't deserve the same treatment as your fecal matter. When all other AI's fail, it will be your savior against estrogenic awfulness. If you were to run it as an AI then 2.5mg once or twice a week would do you well.

Further reading:
Endocrine Effects of Adjuvant Letrozole + Triptorelin Compared With Tamoxifen + Triptorelin in Premenopausal Patients With Early Breast Cancer
One letrozole pill a week quadruples testosterone level (letro study increasing testosterone in men)
Trove - A randomized, open, parallel-group trial to compare the endocrine effects of oral anastrozole (Arimidex(R)) with intramuscular formestane in postmenopausal women with advanced breast cancer (study comparing formestane to arimidex)

 

[Deleted member 33117]

I happen to like letro but it is a tricky drug to balance out due to sheer strength of it. It is an extremely powerful ai with a long halflife and if you dose it too high be prepared for side effects like joint pain, no sex drive etc. .5mg a day is an excessive dose and I think most guys will suffer sides like this on such a high dose.

Get a pill splitter or use a razor blade to cut the 2.5mg pills into 1/4ths. Each 1/4th is 625 mcg roughly. An ideal dose will be one of those 625 mcg slices every 2-4 days depending on if you want your average dose round 300 mcg, 200mcg or 150 mcg a day. Some guys will see negative sides on 300 mcg a day, and this dose is actually high enough, for me at least, to cure already existing gyno.

The primary reason you see problems with this drug it becuase it is insanely powerful, and people do not respect the strength of it and use too much. When you find the right dose for you it is insanely cheap and gets the job done. When you realize that 150 mcg of it a day will work as well as 1mg of adex a day (and at $1-1.5 a tab the normal going rate) that runs you less than 50 cents a week. For people like me who seem highly sensity to estragen and aromatase this drug is a very nice tool when used correctly.

Now I do agree with UA Iron on aromasin. Aromasin for those with the availability and the budget is my #1 choice (had to order letro myself this week my source was flat out of aromasin when I ordered). Letro, due to strength and hassle is #2. For anyone on a tight budget letro is king though.

I researched peer reviews on Formestane also after reading about Needto's products and it seems pretty agreed that it is a weaker AI than adex. I personally bloat like crazy on test + adex, so doubt it would be an effective product for someone such as me who is very prone to estragenic sides. Not to mention that a one month supply costs more than a month of test + aromasin for me.

 

[UA_Iron]

I very much like Letro as well.

This would be my method for not using a pill splitter to get the appropriate dosages:
1. Weigh out the pressed pill completely. For example lets say it weighs 150mg.
2. You know how much active ingredient the pill has (2.5mg letro/pill)
3. Set up an equation for the dosage you'd like to be taking (Xmg) by using a proportions:

A = Active Ingredient Mass (mg)
B = Total pill Mass (mg)

C = Desired Active ingredient (that you'd like to be consuming) (mg)
D = Some fraction of the Total Pill Mass (mg)

A/B = C/D

Example:
A = 2.5mg (mass of letro in a single cap)
B = 150mg (example total pill mass)

C = .25mg (desired mass Letro)
D = Unknown amount of cap that would be used to achieve the desired dose 'C'

(2.5mg/150mg) = (.25mg/D)
Solving for D = 15mg

so in essence, if you crushed up that pill completely, weighed out 15mg of the powder that was left, you'd have 0.25mg of Letro.

Or if you took all 10, crushed them up and added them to 99.75ml of everclear you'd have a solution that contained very very close to** .25mg/ml of letro.

**assumption is made that the density of letro + filler (most likely magnesium stearate and other carbohydrate fillers) is about equal to that of grain alcohol. This assumption is good enough, but if you wanted to get super precise you'd pull up a Pharmacopeia reference manual, see what ingredients are in the tablet, calculate the density of the mixture, multiply the density of the mixture times the total mass of the powder, subtract that from 100ml.

 

[stevesmi]

Forma, or active ingredient Formestane was in fact developed for breast cancer treatment. A topical formulation is just a different delivery method with the same overall goal.
)

FORMA SOLD AT MR SUPPS WAS DESIGNED FOR BODYBUILDERS.

i never said formestane was designed for them. i said FORMA.

forma contains more than just formestane. again you don't know anything about the product so stop acting like you do. you've never used the product to know if its a weak AI. and you consistently bash products of this site over and over and your posts get deleted cause the mods are nice and want to save you, but maybe its time mods stopped being nice and started banning? up to you. . so anyone who takes your advice on this should be aware of that fact.

if you don't like the sponsors of this sites products then don't buy them.. continue to use harsh drugs, just don't call people stupid who want people to use something safer and with less sides. this site is different today.. its not 2003 when you signed up

 

[The Alpha...]

I very much like Letro as well.

This would be my method for not using a pill splitter to get the appropriate dosages:
1. Weigh out the pressed pill completely. For example lets say it weighs 150mg.
2. You know how much active ingredient the pill has (2.5mg letro/pill)
3. Set up an equation for the dosage you'd like to be taking (Xmg) by using a proportions:

A = Active Ingredient Mass (mg)
B = Total pill Mass (mg)

C = Desired Active ingredient (that you'd like to be consuming) (mg)
D = Some fraction of the Total Pill Mass (mg)

A/B = C/D

Example:
A = 2.5mg (mass of letro in a single cap)
B = 150mg (example total pill mass)

C = .25mg (desired mass Letro)
D = Unknown amount of cap that would be used to achieve the desired dose 'C'

(2.5mg/150mg) = (.25mg/D)
Solving for D = 15mg

so in essence, if you crushed up that pill completely, weighed out 15mg of the powder that was left, you'd have 0.25mg of Letro.

Or if you took all 10, crushed them up and added them to 99.75ml of everclear you'd have a solution that contained very very close to** .25mg/ml of letro.

**assumption is made that the density of letro + filler (most likely magnesium stearate and other carbohydrate fillers) is about equal to that of grain alcohol. This assumption is good enough, but if you wanted to get super precise you'd pull up a Pharmacopeia reference manual, see what ingredients are in the tablet, calculate the density of the mixture, multiply the density of the mixture times the total mass of the powder, subtract that from 100ml.

Jesus H!!! WTF? If I wasn't a complete retard I probably would almost understood that post? U obviously know about it... I'm pretty good at boiling water, that's about it!


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[ALIN]

Ok, I got my letrozole in the other day and am needing to start.... Problem is I got a packet of 10 tabs at 2.5mg's each. I know recommended dose for me would be .25 -.50 ed... So WTF?? These tabs are really f'n small pretty much like a pellet (******** mfg) if u would like to google image... So what should I do? how can I split? What's my options if any? I'm lost on this one... They came free with my last purchase so thats really why I'm even gonna use em. Not looking forward to the limp dick syndrome either but I gotta start my AI ASAP...


Beast Mode

I have never seen these tabs but in most situations I woulud say get a sharp razor (be careful!) and cut them in fourths or at least halfs.

 

[UA_Iron]

FORMA SOLD AT MR SUPPS WAS DESIGNED FOR BODYBUILDERS.

i never said formestane was designed for them. i said FORMA.

forma contains more than just formestane. again you don't know anything about the product so stop acting like you do. you've never used the product to know if its a weak AI. and you consistently bash products of this site over and over and your posts get deleted cause the mods are nice and want to save you, but maybe its time mods stopped being nice and started banning? up to you. . so anyone who takes your advice on this should be aware of that fact.

if you don't like the sponsors of this sites products then don't buy them.. continue to use harsh drugs, just don't call people stupid who want people to use something safer and with less sides. this site is different today.. its not 2003 when you signed up

The only thing I "bashed" was you for telling him to throw away an effective AI - which would still be a stupid thing to do. It's not as stupid as Nelson proclaiming that "drugs don't work". (I believe he's been banned here more times than I have anyway, lol). I certainly never called anyone stupid for wanting to use Forma.

Forma contains 7,8-Benzoflavone on top of the formestane, I actually think this is a brilliant combination here for maintaining a healthy E2:TEST balance. The Benzoflavone even has some studies linking it to having anti-cancer properties.

I've used products from the sponsors of this site, even said how impressed I was with need2's shipping when I'm positive his site was getting slammed with orders. And that was even to buy some of Nelson's products he pushes - and you know how Nelson and I get along.

I don't use harsh chemicals with the exception of Letro (which is extremely rare anymore), and maybe halotestin on rare occasions. But you cannot chastise me for promoting "harsh" drugs such as Letro when extremely harsh prohormones are frequently promoted on this site.

Intellectual debate is an important part of the development of this sub-culture. I'm a skeptic by nature, so this debate process is part of solidifying a product (at least in my mind). Would you not agree that one should know what goes in their body, and what alternatives exist?

 

[ynj]

I have never seen these tabs but in most situations I woulud say get a sharp razor (be careful!) and cut them in fourths or at least halfs.

or a clay bowl and a hammer end, throw some paper on top.......then crush it into a powder......

then get a scale and weigh it out.....then divide it into 4ths or 3rds and take it at a low dose........

be careful, letro is strong, but if taken correctly will ELIMINATE gyno of any kind.

 

[The Alpha...]

The only thing I "bashed" was you for telling him to throw away an effective AI - which would still be a stupid thing to do. It's not as stupid as Nelson proclaiming that "drugs don't work". (I believe he's been banned here more times than I have anyway, lol). I certainly never called anyone stupid for wanting to use Forma.

Forma contains 7,8-Benzoflavone on top of the formestane, I actually think this is a brilliant combination here for maintaining a healthy E2:TEST balance. The Benzoflavone even has some studies linking it to having anti-cancer properties.

I've used products from the sponsors of this site, even said how impressed I was with need2's shipping when I'm positive his site was getting slammed with orders. And that was even to buy some of Nelson's products he pushes - and you know how Nelson and I get along.

I don't use harsh chemicals with the exception of Letro (which is extremely rare anymore), and maybe halotestin on rare occasions. But you cannot chastise me for promoting "harsh" drugs such as Letro when extremely harsh prohormones are frequently promoted on this site.

Intellectual debate is an important part of the development of this sub-culture. I'm a skeptic by nature, so this debate process is part of solidifying a product (at least in my mind). Would you not agree that one should know what goes in their body, and what alternatives exist?

Guys, the letrozole has been stashed... Not needed... Now I'm interested in something different; you and Nelson getting along? Y'all BFF's or something?

 

[stevesmi]

The only thing I "bashed" was you for telling him to throw away an effective AI - which would still be a stupid thing to do. It's not as stupid as Nelson proclaiming that "drugs don't work". (I believe he's been banned here more times than I have anyway, lol). I certainly never called anyone stupid for wanting to use Forma.

Forma contains 7,8-Benzoflavone on top of the formestane, I actually think this is a brilliant combination here for maintaining a healthy E2:TEST balance. The Benzoflavone even has some studies linking it to having anti-cancer properties.

I've used products from the sponsors of this site, even said how impressed I was with need2's shipping when I'm positive his site was getting slammed with orders. And that was even to buy some of Nelson's products he pushes - and you know how Nelson and I get along.

I don't use harsh chemicals with the exception of Letro (which is extremely rare anymore), and maybe halotestin on rare occasions. But you cannot chastise me for promoting "harsh" drugs such as Letro when extremely harsh prohormones are frequently promoted on this site.

Intellectual debate is an important part of the development of this sub-culture. I'm a skeptic by nature, so this debate process is part of solidifying a product (at least in my mind). Would you not agree that one should know what goes in their body, and what alternatives exist?

alright man you are on the record.

look up forma on mr supps, it contains more than what you are saying.. the original 'formestane' that mr supps sold is probably what you are talking about. it only has 2 ingredients.. i actually stocked up on both and they do not contain the same ingredients. i have one sitting in my shower that i put on after.. and i have another bottle in the bathroom that i use when i'm taking a dump so i spent a little time reading whats in them and know the labels by heart. you are just gonna have to trust me that they are not the same ingredients.

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Save it for when you decide to go crazy and run some 2-3 gram cycle. Then you may find that Letrozole is unfortunately the only way to go.

Adex always did me good as an AI. If you can get a hold of it, low dose here and there might do just fine.

2-3 gram cycle lol god that would be a fun 12 weeks. Expensive !!! But fun

 

[The Alpha...]

2-3 gram cycle lol god that would be a fun 12 weeks. Expensive !!! But fun

Explain to me the grams conversion to cc's or mg's?

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Explain to me the grams conversion to cc's or mg's?

Ok so say you have some test cyp 400mg. It's a 12cc bottle. Each cc is 400mg so if u take 1cc twice a week that's 800mg. 1000mg is a gram of gear. So a cycle with 2-3 grams of gear would look something like this.

Test C 900mg wk
Eq 750mg wk
Tren E 750mg wk

That's 2400mg or 2.4grams a week. Insane amounts of gear

 

[The Alpha...]

Ok so say you have some test cyp 400mg. It's a 12cc bottle. Each cc is 400mg so if u take 1cc twice a week that's 800mg. 1000mg is a gram of gear. So a cycle with 2-3 grams of gear would look something like this.

Test C 900mg wk
Eq 750mg wk
Tren E 750mg wk

That's 2400mg or 2.4grams a week. Insane amounts of gear

Ok, I gotcha ... Easy to remember 1000mgs equals 1 gram... Thx bro

 

[The Alpha...]

Ok so say you have some test cyp 400mg. It's a 12cc bottle. Each cc is 400mg so if u take 1cc twice a week that's 800mg. 1000mg is a gram of gear. So a cycle with 2-3 grams of gear would look something like this.

Test C 900mg wk
Eq 750mg wk
Tren E 750mg wk

That's 2400mg or 2.4grams a week. Insane amounts of gear

So, if I'm running 300mg prop 400mg npp 400mg eq and 200mg masteron that 1300mg which is 1.3 grams? Learn something new everyday... My mom would be so proud

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

So, if I'm running 300mg prop 400mg npp 400mg eq and 200mg masteron that 1300mg which is 1.3 grams? Learn something new everyday... My mom would be so proud

Sounds good. Keep us updated on how that cycle works. Sounds like what I wanna do next.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

alright man you are on the record.

look up forma on mr supps, it contains more than what you are saying.. the original 'formestane' that mr supps sold is probably what you are talking about. it only has 2 ingredients.. i actually stocked up on both and they do not contain the same ingredients. i have one sitting in my shower that i put on after.. and i have another bottle in the bathroom that i use when i'm taking a dump so i spent a little time reading whats in them and know the labels by heart. you are just gonna have to trust me that they are not the same ingredients.

Steve I have a question on this, and I think it is a legit question... I have noticed that the steroid section has a huge amount of posts on cycling Needto's products, or pro-hormone suppliments (I really do not keep up with which are his and which are produced by other companies) by people who are not on what most of us would consider true Anabolic steroids... as a lot of these things really just seem to be prohormones, suppliments etc. I am sure the customers are happy with their products, but given that we have a bodybuilding suppliment forum right under this one wouldn't those posts be more appropriate in that forum? Now if they are adding those to their steroid stack one would think that this is the right forum, but if not I am confused as to why they are here and not there.

Not sure if this topic has been addressed before whilst I have been away... but I recall myself being a huge outspoken critic of PH1 threads all over the steroid forum a decade ago as it was expensive, over-the-counter and not a true anabolic steroid as we think of that, and was just a suppliment. Again even back them there were plenty of people happy with the PH-1 product, but it was an OTC suppliment.

So... how exactally does this work?

 

[ConanX]

I have never seen these tabs but in most situations I woulud say get a sharp razor (be careful!) and cut them in fourths or at least halfs.

@#%$#$DFQE#%^Y&R letro is definitely good to go!

 

[stevesmi]

Steve I have a question on this, and I think it is a legit question... I have noticed that the steroid section has a huge amount of posts on cycling Needto's products, or pro-hormone suppliments (I really do not keep up with which are his and which are produced by other companies) by people who are not on what most of us would consider true Anabolic steroids... as a lot of these things really just seem to be prohormones, suppliments etc. I am sure the customers are happy with their products, but given that we have a bodybuilding suppliment forum right under this one wouldn't those posts be more appropriate in that forum? Now if they are adding those to their steroid stack one would think that this is the right forum, but if not I am confused as to why they are here and not there.

well you are posting in this thread and its about letrozole. the key thing is he wants to use it on his cycle of anabolic steroids. we have to discuss ancillaries on here too if they relate to our cycles.

now if someone got gyno from the use of anabolic steroids then this would be the forum to discuss it. but if they got gyno from teenage puberty then there is another forum for this.

as far as the PH's i have a different view than you. beastdrol, kata, etc. are not really PH's anyway, they are designer steroids and as real as any steroid. they should be talked about on here because they are strong and they suppress.

something like andro is a true PH, and that should be discussed in the supplements forum for the most part

 

[ConanX]

well you are posting in this thread and its about letrozole. the key thing is he wants to use it on his cycle of anabolic steroids. we have to discuss ancillaries on here too if they relate to our cycles.

now if someone got gyno from the use of anabolic steroids then this would be the forum to discuss it. but if they got gyno from teenage puberty then there is another forum for this.

as far as the PH's i have a different view than you. beastdrol, kata, etc. are not really PH's anyway, they are designer steroids and as real as any steroid. they should be talked about on here because they are strong and they suppress.

something like andro is a true PH, and that should be discussed in the supplements forum for the most part

I agree. At first I thought Prohormones were bunk hormones. I bit the bullet and tried some of the Beastdrol (superdrol) to see what all the fuss was about. Had to be one of the strongest AAS I've ever used. Probably #2 to Tren Ace. Katanadrol was also very powerful but it gave one of my boys gyno. I used katanadrol too and had to use bromocriptine with it. I think superdrol is now considered AAS anyway, right?

 

[The Alpha...]

I agree. At first I thought Prohormones were bunk hormones. I bit the bullet and tried some of the Beastdrol (superdrol) to see what all the fuss was about. Had to be one of the strongest AAS I've ever used. Probably #2 to Tren Ace. Katanadrol was also very powerful but it gave one of my boys gyno. I used katanadrol too and had to use bromocriptine with it. I think superdrol is now considered AAS anyway, right?

I keep seeing back and forth correspondence regarding PH's and DS's. Please explain to me what the Difference is btwn the 2 and how u determine which is which? I've used 1 ph before a few years ago. I can't remember the name but it was called dragon- something... I did get a huge strength increase right off the bat but the was about it. I've just bought some Beastdrol and starting that this weekend, I'm f'n stoked based upon all the EF feedback. I've asked if there are anyone who didn't like it but haven't seen anyone yet, I'm wondering if most here in EF are afraid to speak freely of the mr supps, orbit or N2BM products they push in fear of getting banned or bombarded with shit?

 

[stevesmi]

I agree. At first I thought Prohormones were bunk hormones. I bit the bullet and tried some of the Beastdrol (superdrol) to see what all the fuss was about. Had to be one of the strongest AAS I've ever used. Probably #2 to Tren Ace. Katanadrol was also very powerful but it gave one of my boys gyno. I used katanadrol too and had to use bromocriptine with it. I think superdrol is now considered AAS anyway, right?

beastdrol isn't a pro hormone, but people think it is cause its sold as a pro hormone. kinda like how a tomato isn't a veggie, its a fruit, but its sold at the supermarket as a veggie.

andro would be an example of a pro hormone.. and it would be a huge step down from something like beastdrol.. not even in the same universe....

since kata can cause gyno and beastdrol is very strong they should be discussed here.. both will suppress you as well.. you need to run pct's with both. someone who thinks they aren't real steroids so its okay to take as a teen can find themselves in big trouble if they don't pct.

i can consider something like whey protein or bridge or unleashed a supplement. something that won't supresss you

 

[The Alpha...]

beastdrol isn't a pro hormone, but people think it is cause its sold as a pro hormone. kinda like how a tomato isn't a veggie, its a fruit, but its sold at the supermarket as a veggie.

andro would be an example of a pro hormone.. and it would be a huge step down from something like beastdrol.. not even in the same universe....

since kata can cause gyno and beastdrol is very strong they should be discussed here.. both will suppress you as well.. you need to run pct's with both. someone who thinks they aren't real steroids so its okay to take as a teen can find themselves in big trouble if they don't pct.

i can consider something like whey protein or bridge or unleashed a supplement. something that won't supresss you

Ok so PH doesn't suppress u? I'm 5 weeks into my 16 wk cycle. I'm starting Beastdrol Saturday (2caps ed) so that will give me 9-10 weeks after beast is done with my current gear still going. My pct will of course be followed after the cycle has run its course. Should I see a bigger results this way and will me staying on aas post Beastdrol cycle help me maintain and keep a lot of my gains?

 

[stevesmi]

^^^the beastdrol in my experience will boost your strength bigtime no matter when you run it. only tren ace can compare

 

[The Alpha...]

^^^the beastdrol in my experience will boost your strength bigtime no matter when you run it. only tren ace can compare

I've ran tren ace twice... Wasn't happy with it at all.. Came from an old source and probably was under dosed or just bunk! Didn't like it at all and got nothing...

 

[C.K.]

I agree. At first I thought Prohormones were bunk hormones. I bit the bullet and tried some of the Beastdrol (superdrol) to see what all the fuss was about. Had to be one of the strongest AAS I've ever used. Probably #2 to Tren Ace. Katanadrol was also very powerful but it gave one of my boys gyno. I used katanadrol too and had to use bromocriptine with it. I think superdrol is now considered AAS anyway, right?

dudee no way I had a lil rebound after my beast and kata cycle too is that due to estrogen progesterone or both???

 

[ConanX]

dudee no way I had a lil rebound after my beast and kata cycle too is that due to estrogen progesterone or both???

Progesterone I believe. I saw it happen on the katanadrol. BUT...keep in mind that the doses that I took and my friend took were a bit higher than average. Off the top of my head it was supposed to be 3 caps a day max. I think I took 4 and he took 4 a day as well and did it for 6 weeks. Looked sick though

 

[ConanX]

I've ran tren ace twice... Wasn't happy with it at all.. Came from an old source and probably was under dosed or just bunk! Didn't like it at all and got nothing...

Sounds bunk to me. I am running tren ace and I see and feel changes DAILY. Nothing compares to it.

But for something easier and in pill form, Beastdrol is pretty badass too.

Some people say Beastdrol has no sides but I am of the belief that you should drink a TON of water and take liver supps because it is very strong. I've heard of people getting bloody noses and having sever BP issues. But this was with other brand superdrols. I think Needto's Beastdrol is as pure as it gets. I never had a problem with it at 4 caps a day 6 weeks

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Sounds bunk to me. I am running tren ace and I see and feel changes DAILY. Nothing compares to it.

But for something easier and in pill form, Beastdrol is pretty badass too.

Some people say Beastdrol has no sides but I am of the belief that you should drink a TON of water and take liver supps because it is very strong. I've heard of people getting bloody noses and having sever BP issues. But this was with other brand superdrols. I think Needto's Beastdrol is as pure as it gets. I never had a problem with it at 4 caps a day 6 weeks

How do the 4 caps compare to 2? I just started taking beast @ 2 caps an hr before I hit the gym. Feels awesome. My entire body gets a pump it feels like

 

[The Alpha...]

Sounds bunk to me. I am running tren ace and I see and feel changes DAILY. Nothing compares to it.

But for something easier and in pill form, Beastdrol is pretty badass too.

Some people say Beastdrol has no sides but I am of the belief that you should drink a TON of water and take liver supps because it is very strong. I've heard of people getting bloody noses and having sever BP issues. But this was with other brand superdrols. I think Needto's Beastdrol is as pure as it gets. I never had a problem with it at 4 caps a day 6 weeks

I got 5 bottles due in on Saturday... I go check the mailbox anyways for the f of it everyday..hoping... I plan on 2 caps a day to go along with my cycle now... Thought about 3, don't really know yet... I am gonna buy some tren on my next order with the lab... I'm sure it will be a different experience

 

[The Alpha...]

How do the 4 caps compare to 2? I just started taking beast @ 2 caps an hr before I hit the gym. Feels awesome. My entire body gets a pump it feels like

U doing 2 at the same time before workout or split morning and night?

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

U doing 2 at the same time before workout or split morning and night?

2 same time hr before workout along with 4 nitrix. Take 12 nitrix a day right now and use NO Xplode preworkout.

 

[The Alpha...]

2 same time hr before workout along with 4 nitrix. Take 12 nitrix a day right now and use NO Xplode preworkout.

Hmmm I might go that route with the beast but im using the black hemo rage prework mixed with a lil clen and adderall....

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Hmmm I might go that route with the beast but im using the black hemo rage prework mixed with a lil clen and adderall....

Ya I bought a big tub of the orange flavored hemo rage black and it tasted horrible. Took it a couple days then said fuck it. And I would burp it up during workout and wanna puke. What flavor u get? And how does it taste? I know I tingled the whole time I was on it. Good shit just hate the flavor

 

[The Alpha...]

Ya I bought a big tub of the orange flavored hemo rage black and it tasted horrible. Took it a couple days then said fuck it. And I would burp it up during workout and wanna puke. What flavor u get? And how does it taste? I know I tingled the whole time I was on it. Good shit just hate the flavor

I got the lemonade flavor and yes it tastes like a dead skunks asshole... I just mix a lil muscletech creatine with it to drown out the shit taste...

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

I got the lemonade flavor and yes it tastes like a dead skunks asshole... I just mix a lil muscletech creatine with it to drown out the shit taste...

Yeah I was thinking about getting some cell mass to mix with it. Might just try that.

 

[stevesmi]

I can only handle 20mg of beastdrol a day. i cannot imagine how i would feel on 40mg. its extremely potent, more potent than dbol mg/mg.

 

[The Alpha...]

Yeah I was thinking about getting some cell mass to mix with it. Might just try that.

Yeah, it's potent good shit! But damn the taste is horrible. Might as well buy some of those lil packets people put into water bottles or something just to get the shit taste out

 

[The Alpha...]

I can only handle 20mg of beastdrol a day. i cannot imagine how i would feel on 40mg. its extremely potent, more potent than dbol mg/mg.

Yeah, plan on running 20 myself... Some people just don't give a shit tho... Explain to me what to expect on 20-30 a day other than these extreme pumps I hear everyone talking about?

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Yeah, it's potent good shit! But damn the taste is horrible. Might as well buy some of those lil packets people put into water bottles or something just to get the shit taste out

U might be onto something. Think ima try that tonight before I hit the gym. Luckily my wife has some laying around.

 

[The Alpha...]

U haven't been fully conscious until you have smoked a J on the toilet!

Author: Me

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

U haven't been fully conscious until you have smoked a J on the toilet!

Author: Me

Haha I just got home from work and was browsing EF while taking a shit. Like usual I decide to get up 20 mins after I finished and bam 2 numb feet

 

[The Alpha...]

Haha I just got home from work and was browsing EF while taking a shit. Like usual I decide to get up 20 mins after I finished and bam 2 numb feet

Wobble wobble... Wait till u put ur head in the wall... I usually just kick the shower door till I regain enough feeling for it to be safe to stand and wipe...

 

[Deleted member 33117]

well you are posting in this thread and its about letrozole. the key thing is he wants to use it on his cycle of anabolic steroids. we have to discuss ancillaries on here too if they relate to our cycles.

now if someone got gyno from the use of anabolic steroids then this would be the forum to discuss it. but if they got gyno from teenage puberty then there is another forum for this.

as far as the PH's i have a different view than you. beastdrol, kata, etc. are not really PH's anyway, they are designer steroids and as real as any steroid. they should be talked about on here because they are strong and they suppress.

something like andro is a true PH, and that should be discussed in the supplements forum for the most part

Fair enough, if they actually bind to the AR and suppress HTPA I agree they would be appropriate here. Was just checking, because I found it confusing with people doing all suppliment cycles starting threads in this section. LoL

 

[ConanX]

For the person who said they will use clen and Beastdrol and some other stimulants, just make sure you have experience with this stuff before you go ahead and do it. You might have a heart attack or at the least, a viscious migraine that will make you stop your workout. Just be careful with clen is all I'm saying.

4 caps was great. Saw results right away. Extra size, tight skin, vascularity, increased strength. I won't run 4 caps again though due to the toxicity but I will definitely go with 3 caps for my spring cutter kickstart. My brother is starting at 3 caps ED today so I will get to see how he changes even though I already know the stuff works great.

 

[The Alpha...]

For the person who said they will use clen and Beastdrol and some other stimulants, just make sure you have experience with this stuff before you go ahead and do it. You might have a heart attack or at the least, a viscious migraine that will make you stop your workout. Just be careful with clen is all I'm saying.

4 caps was great. Saw results right away. Extra size, tight skin, vascularity, increased strength. I won't run 4 caps again though due to the toxicity but I will definitely go with 3 caps for my spring cutter kickstart. My brother is starting at 3 caps ED today so I will get to see how he changes even though I already know the stuff works great.

I don't think u were referring to me but u may have been. Right now I do use clen, hemo rage and some adderall occasionally for my preworkout. I'm glad u brought that up. Should I lay off the clen while on Beastdrol all together? I start the beast tomorrow, haven't decided if I go 2 caps or 3... How do u run em? Morning, noon and night or all at once before workouts? I've heard mixed opinions...

 

[ConanX]

I don't think u were referring to me but u may have been. Right now I do use clen, hemo rage and some adderall occasionally for my preworkout. I'm glad u brought that up. Should I lay off the clen while on Beastdrol all together? I start the beast tomorrow, haven't decided if I go 2 caps or 3... How do u run em? Morning, noon and night or all at once before workouts? I've heard mixed opinions...

Yeah well everyone reacts different. You may be fine with beastdrol but your bloodpressure may also go through the roof with clen. Some people with no stimulants have blood pressure problems. Headaches, bloody noses, heart racing, etc. It's strong stuff. The combo of clen, adderall, and beastdrol might be a bit too much so I'd keep an eye on the blood pressure and how you feel. Stimulants are one of the most dangerous things of bodybuilding. Gyno and messed up HPTA suck but they won't kill you. High blood pressure can.

I usually ran it AM, noon, and night (preworkout) but I also ran it 1 in the AM and 2 PM (post workout). Probably the more evened out your hormones levels are the better. If just 2 caps a day then definitely split them up. The more level your hormone levels are the less the sides will be and the better the gains will be, for the most part.

 

[The Alpha...]

Yeah well everyone reacts different. You may be fine with beastdrol but your bloodpressure may also go through the roof with clen. Some people with no stimulants have blood pressure problems. Headaches, bloody noses, heart racing, etc. It's strong stuff. The combo of clen, adderall, and beastdrol might be a bit too much so I'd keep an eye on the blood pressure and how you feel. Stimulants are one of the most dangerous things of bodybuilding. Gyno and messed up HPTA suck but they won't kill you. High blood pressure can.

I usually ran it AM, noon, and night (preworkout) but I also ran it 1 in the AM and 2 PM (post workout). Probably the more evened out your hormones levels are the better. If just 2 caps a day then definitely split them up. The more level your hormone levels are the less the sides will be and the better the gains will be, for the most part.

Funny u say that, bc as of yesterday my nose started bleeding a like SOB!!! And again this morning... Finally got it to stop but still a lil blood everytime I blow my nose... I think I'm stopping the clen for a while... That could be it...

 

[JuiceIsMyFriend]

Funny u say that, bc as of yesterday my nose started bleeding a like SOB!!! And again this morning... Finally got it to stop but still a lil blood everytime I blow my nose... I think I'm stopping the clen for a while... That could be it...

Mines been doing that ever since I started the nitrix pills. Oh well. I like the all day pump

 

[C.K.]

Progesterone I believe. I saw it happen on the katanadrol. BUT...keep in mind that the doses that I took and my friend took were a bit higher than average. Off the top of my head it was supposed to be 3 caps a day max. I think I took 4 and he took 4 a day as well and did it for 6 weeks. Looked sick though

haha bro I ran beast at 50 mgs a day gonna throw in a lil dost then this time around

 

[ConanX]

haha bro I ran beast at 50 mgs a day gonna throw in a lil dost then this time around

F you man! Now I'm gonna have to run it at 60mg a day!
I kid I kid

 

[C.K.]

Yeah let's not lol I ran it 40/40/50/50 tempted to run it 50 all the way through this time... ran it with 450 mgs test/mast per week def took the edge off, had no lethargy or headaches, could tell blodd pressure was high though from how tan I looked but other then that no sides till coming off... a lil hair shedding, lump and acne