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HGH problem - Advice sought

PSword

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Hi Guys and Gals,

Virgin poster but long time reader. First of all, thanks to those of you who tirelessly contribute to the forum, helping educate those like me that are new or relatively new to the game. Your efforts are appreciated.

On to my problem, or question, depending on how you view it. After a very long period of research, and with the help of both this forum and some close friends that are very experiences with AAS, I embarked on my second cycle a while ago. My first cycle was disrupted with an unrelated medical issue.

This cycle is what most would consider very mild, and I have deliberately designed it as such. I began by running 200mg Primo weekly, then after 4 weeks, introduced HGH (nordi pens) with 4iu's per day, broken down into 2 iu's early in the morning, then 2 iu's mid afternoon. All was going well, with the results exceeding my conservative goals. After about 2 into the HGH cycle, I started developing headaches, not very bad, but annoying and persistent. I did not immediately assume it was the GH, so persisted with the program. Then about a week later (3 weeks into the GH cycle) i started getting pains in my joints, starting with the hands and fingers, then neck, then elbows, then shoulders then knees. It is difficult to describe, but the best way I can realte to you is to say it feels arthritic. When I wake up in the morning, it is impossible for me to make a fist, as the pain in my fingers won't allow be to fully close them. After 10 - 15 mins, it appears to "warm up" and I can then fully close them. I tried to push through this phase, thinking that my body may just require a period of adaptation. However after a further 1-1.5 weeks, the problems seemed to be getting worse. I then decided to stop the cycle all together, and see how the body would react. Well the headaches did dissapear after 2 days, and the pain in the joints did ease, but as of today, 1.5 weeks after stopping the cycle, the joint pain still is a problem.

I do want to continue the cycle as planned, but am concerned about permanent damage. Can anyone suggest what the pain may be? Is it common? If I continue the cycle, am I risking permanent damage? Can I do anything to alleviate the problem, or should I just stop all together?

Just as a background, i am 37yo, 188cm, 90kg. I am not interested in the more potent AAS for various reasons, and am fairly certain that the gear is legit.

Any help or advice you can supply would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thoes are all normal sides to HGH. If you can stick with it, it will go away eventually. You could also lower the dose to 2ius a day for a week or so then bump back up to 4ius giving your body a chance to slowly get used to it.
 
Hi Pizzle,

Thanks very much for the reply. I have ceased using the GH for 1.5 weeks now, and while the headaches disappeared, and he joint pain has reduced a little, it still persists. Is this normal? Should I be concerned or just push through the pain and continue the cycle? Do you know what causes this joint soreness?

Thanks again for the reply.
 
Yeah first of all you should start out with 2IU's of GH per day and unless you are experienced with it never start out w more. Now add that you are using the Nordi-pen, that makes your 4IU's more like 10IU's compared to blues. You should start out w 1IU using the pen stick w that for 2 weeks then bump up 1/2IU every 2 weeks. Personally I am very jelous that you get such good GH, that being said 2IU's of the Nord is the max you should need.
GLTY
 
Hi 4T,

Thanks also for your reply. You seem to know what your talking about, so I hope you don't mind if I ask you a question or two. When you said "you are using the Nordi-pen, that makes your 4IU's more like 10IU's compared to blues", what exactly do you mean? My supplier, who is a elite category BB, a thoroughly nice guy, and one can only assume from his size/experience that he knows what he is talking about, suggested that as I wish to be conservative, 4 IU's should work well. With this in mind, I went to the Nordo pen website, that gives a dosing calculator (you know the one, it tells you how many "clicks" on the pen), to figure out how much 4 IU's per day is split over two dosings. From your post, I am guessing that this is way too much. If it is, can you explain why? I hope you are right, coz it will certainly explain why I have had these sides when all those I have spoken to the have used GH had great results and little or no sides at all.

One more question, do you know what causes the joint pain? Is it safe to push through the pain and continue training?

Sorry for so many questions, but your advice is appreciated.

Cheers bro
 
psword you can fully trust anything that 4t says. He does know what he is talking about.
 
Hi Zed,

Sorry I must have worded my reply badly. I do fully trust what 4t has to say. I have read so many of his posts here, he is a very knowledgeable guy. I was just hoping he could explain it to me. I though I researched all I could about GH before starting the cycle, but clearly I have missed a few things. Hoping 4T or anyone else can help me out here. I just didn't understand what 4T meant when he said "you are using the Nordi-pen, that makes your 4IU's more like 10IU's compared to blues", and also want to make sure that it is safe to keep training with the pain without doing permanent damage.

Again, thank you all for your input.
 
Hi Zed,

Sorry I must have worded my reply badly. I do fully trust what 4t has to say. I have read so many of his posts here, he is a very knowledgeable guy. I was just hoping he could explain it to me. I though I researched all I could about GH before starting the cycle, but clearly I have missed a few things. Hoping 4T or anyone else can help me out here. I just didn't understand what 4T meant when he said "you are using the Nordi-pen, that makes your 4IU's more like 10IU's compared to blues", and also want to make sure that it is safe to keep training with the pain without doing permanent damage.

Again, thank you all for your input.

Guessing it means the specific gh is potent. 4 ui is like 10 ui of another inferior or the like. Just a speculation though.
Hope your joints clear up soon bro. Goodluck
 
Hi backtobasicks,

Thanks bro, yeah I agree with you that from 4T means my stuff is more potent, and I am guessing it has something to do with the mixing wuth baro water of the usual GH, but that is purely a guess on my part. And yes, I am hoping the joints clear up soon, I am continuing to train, but kinda hard with the pain. Just hoping it clears up soon and I am not doing further damage by training. Thanks for your wishes.

Cheers bro
 
NP bro just reassuring you.
 
Yes it is way more potent (4IU's Nordi = 10IU's Blues)
I think you should start with 1IU and not 4IU's.
Then work your way up to 2IU's 2.5max...

The pain is from swelling of the joints, fluid retention, Carpel tunel, hypertension.

Feel free to ask as many questions as its a good idea to know whats going on and get info from more than just guys at the gym.

And thanks for the complement there are many people on this site with the same knowledge as I have with regards to GH. I am just on right now...


Hi backtobasicks,

Thanks bro, yeah I agree with you that from 4T means my stuff is more potent, and I am guessing it has something to do with the mixing wuth baro water of the usual GH, but that is purely a guess on my part. And yes, I am hoping the joints clear up soon, I am continuing to train, but kinda hard with the pain. Just hoping it clears up soon and I am not doing further damage by training. Thanks for your wishes.

Cheers bro
 
I have a questions for you. What did you think was gonna happen when you put perminent muscle growth on your smaller tendons? Your gonna have swelling. Especially at 4IUs a day. I also cant beleieve that it took 12 post before someone said something. Your dose is high as hell bro. Your experiencing normal saides associated with GH. The reason why your body is feeling iike poop is because when you sleep for 8 hours and your body produces the most GH it is gonna produce, your body is getting overloaded and causing rention. Id recommend a low dose of deca for your joints and id also say 2 ius before bed.

The other thing too is to stop listening to what people tell you is a good dose for you. Start low because you never know how much gain you may make from the low dose and can slowly pyramid your dose obtaining better gains from low doses. It takes years and years and cycle and cycles to get huge bro. good luck. PM me if you have any questions. im delirous right now. 32 hours of strait work with my last 6 spent in open heart surgery.... Beer and Sleep time!!!
 
Hi 4T and JohnnyB,

Thanks so much for those replies guys, both very helpful. When I do resume the GH again, I will definitely start out low, max 1 IU for a good while to see how it goes. Though I am reluctant to start again until the joint pain and muscle stiffness has cleared up. One final question I promise, I I guess its to the both of you cause you both seem to know your stuff, with the joint swelling/fluid retention/CTS/hypertension caused by my too high dose, will I damage it further by training? Should I wait til the pain subsides? I have got myself some dendlion root extract for the fluid retention and come fish oil for the joints. I will see if I can get myself a low dose deca for the joints as well.

Thanks again for taking the time to help

Cheers
 
Whatever you do, don't listen to this advice!
It didn't take 12 posts lol. It was post number 3 that said something, so please read all posts before you jump into a conversation.
Also you loose credibility really quickly when your statements are incorrect.
Dont add Deca! Don't you know it takes approx. 3 weeks for Deca to kick in? LOL By that time the pain will be gone and he will be taking something that is not needed as he never said he had joint pain before he took the GH.
And before bed is probably the worst time to take GH except right before a trip to the donut shop after your open heart surgery, LMAO.
Overloaded with GH? LOL
So than you should never take more than 100mg per week of test because you will overload your body because that is more test than your body will ever produce?
In case you missed something this is a steroid website.
In you next posts I sugest you stick to facts you know to be true and try not to expose others here to your negligent facts to make yourself feel smarter than you are. Your bad advice can and will hurt someone!
And based on your post I feel very bad for anyone under your care. Changing bed pans for a living doesn't make your opinions better than anyone elses. Lastly no real DR. on this earth knowing the hypocratic oath would give such advice as you have given also you are runing the risk of loosing your liscense.


I have a questions for you. What did you think was gonna happen when you put perminent muscle growth on your smaller tendons? Your gonna have swelling. Especially at 4IUs a day. I also cant beleieve that it took 12 post before someone said something. Your dose is high as hell bro. Your experiencing normal saides associated with GH. The reason why your body is feeling iike poop is because when you sleep for 8 hours and your body produces the most GH it is gonna produce, your body is getting overloaded and causing rention. Id recommend a low dose of deca for your joints and id also say 2 ius before bed.

The other thing too is to stop listening to what people tell you is a good dose for you. Start low because you never know how much gain you may make from the low dose and can slowly pyramid your dose obtaining better gains from low doses. It takes years and years and cycle and cycles to get huge bro. good luck. PM me if you have any questions. im delirous right now. 32 hours of strait work with my last 6 spent in open heart surgery.... Beer and Sleep time!!!
 
Please don't get any Deca...
The pain will go away, just keep working out and slowly increase the dendlion root, slowly. It has not damaged anything permanantly. Be glad you didn't get the stiff jaw. That one really sucks!
Fish oil is great too.

Hi 4T and JohnnyB,

Thanks so much for those replies guys, both very helpful. When I do resume the GH again, I will definitely start out low, max 1 IU for a good while to see how it goes. Though I am reluctant to start again until the joint pain and muscle stiffness has cleared up. One final question I promise, I I guess its to the both of you cause you both seem to know your stuff, with the joint swelling/fluid retention/CTS/hypertension caused by my too high dose, will I damage it further by training? Should I wait til the pain subsides? I have got myself some dendlion root extract for the fluid retention and come fish oil for the joints. I will see if I can get myself a low dose deca for the joints as well.

Thanks again for taking the time to help

Cheers
 
Hi 4T,

Thanks for that. I will definitely increase the dandilion root gradually and hope the fish oil kicks in soon. Its reassuring to know the nothing has been permanently damaged. Just gotta be patient now and push through the pain and stiffness in the gym. This certainly has been educational for me, despite what I though was a thorough prep. Oh well, you live and hopefully learn.

Cheers Bro
 
Im a little late to the party here but 4T is 100% correct. Lower the dosage. It wouldnt matter if your dosage was 8iu or 2iu you are getting the most common sides of high GH usage. Everyone is different and in your case it is most likely because of the brand. not a bad thing at all just something you have to adjust.

Lower the dosage.. slow and steady is the way to go.

Welcome to Elite!
 
Hi Judo Tom,

Thanks for your comments as well. Its is very clear to me now that i screwed up the dosage, I obviously didn't understand that there is a difference in potency between the brands. As 4T has pointed out, the dosage recommendations I had were probably assuming the cheaper chinese brands. Still, I have learnt my lesson. Just hoping the sides clear up soon and I can get back to the cycle, as I have to admit, I did really like the results.

Cheers
 
4T, what do you feel are the optimum times for the split dose of HGH? And shouldn't anyone on HGH take some thyroid protective measures?
 
In my opinion it is first thing in the AM and then either right before WO or right after WO, if no WO than 2 hours after lunch and dont eat for 1 hour after. The reason for waiting for food is so that you don't become Type 2 diabetic.
Yes, it is advisable to take thyroid meds, armour was the recomended.
 
I'm currently in the 6th week of a 12 week tren/test cycle. I've been on HGH (blue tops) for 3 months prior to the AS cycle. I started at 2 iu a day and gradually worked my up to 5 iu per day and have maintained there through this AS cycle. I split the dose, half upon waking, half after my workout during my lunch break. I have gained 15 lbs already and look great (started at 200 and am now 215). Strength is slightly improved, endurance is improved. But I don't feel great. I have joint pains and stiffness mainly in my knees and feel stiffer all over generally. I play basketball once or twice a week and my lower back was killing me the next couple days after the last time I played and is still stiff. I started taking glucosamine with chondroiton for the joint pain and that has helped. I was thinking that my body is just going through growing pains as it gets used to the added weight but now I'm starting to wonder if it's the HGH. I am also experiencing some minor carpal tunnel.

This is my second cycle of AS. I ran a deca/test cycle last summer and felt great. I haven't read anything about tren to suggest pains and stiffness, in fact it's been the opposite. That tren supposedly acts a great healer. So is it the HGH that is making me feel this way? Should I cut my dosage back, maybe to 3 iu a day? Appreciate any thoughts and advice.
 
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