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Pros and cons 500 vs 750mg test e

which is better mg's per week of test e

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jondale123

jondale123

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I was wondering whats the pros and cons of using 750 vs 500 mg's of test. and if you would recommend more or less.
 
need to ask you about 20 questions to give you the answer.. start with your stats, history, goals, sides, etc etc
 
THis is my 4th cycle.
1st tren only only used a test booster PCT i know i am stupid
2nd was 50mg/ed dbol 5 weeks Clomid and nolv for PCT
3rd was 500mg test e 10 weeks same PCT.
Have used halodrol for 6 weeks at 75mg/ed and bridged it with epi for 4 weeks at 40 mg/day

MY STATS ARE:
24yo 6'0" 360 water weight changes alot around 20%bf


HISTORY:
I have been lifting for 14 years. Been training with some heavy hitters in my area. and they have helped me get my workout down and pointed me in the right directions in supplements and gear.
i have been blessed to have a dad and a brother who have both powerlifted and now can show me the arts.
 
Remember, that more gear is not always best! I have been running cycles for 10 plus years and I still run 500 mgs per week of test however I will occasionally run 750mg however anything over that is a waste in my opinion!
 
jondale123 said:
but will 750 make you put on anymore muscle than 500
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thats a loaded question. gear doesnt make you put on muscle. your diet puts on muscle.
your training puts on muscle.
your dedication puts on muscle.

etc

dealing with sides have to be taken into consideration. example if 750mg starts to give you gyno and you go overboard on an anti e you will have less gains than a side free 500mg

if 750 shuts you down hard and screws up your pct you will lose more muscle and not benefit as much as from a 500mg

if you constantly up your dosages down the road you will run into huge problems.

id run 500mg at least once more then think about upping the dosage or stacking.
 
IMO I would just stick with 500 test and 35-50mg of Tren ace ED and eat real Clen and high protein and drop some bf and the Tren will give you nice clean gains that's just what I would do.
 
Judo Tom said:
thats a loaded question. gear doesnt make you put on muscle. your diet puts on muscle.
your training puts on muscle.
your dedication puts on muscle.

etc

dealing with sides have to be taken into consideration. example if 750mg starts to give you gyno and you go overboard on an anti e you will have less gains than a side free 500mg

if 750 shuts you down hard and screws up your pct you will lose more muscle and not benefit as much as from a 500mg

if you constantly up your dosages down the road you will run into huge problems.

id run 500mg at least once more then think about upping the dosage or stacking.
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MY DIETS ARE PERFECT. and my work outs are great i have put on alot of muscle and dropped alot of fat in the last year. so 500 want give you gyno. or its not likely i know test helps with recovery.
 
there is no way to know what will or wont give you gyno. some people start getting gyno sides at 300mg some can push over 1g and not get them.

best to start low first cycle, 500mg, and then go from there.

if your diet is great and your work outs are great 500mg will give you great gains w/ probably ZERO sides.

Good Luck
 
Judo Tom said:
there is no way to know what will or wont give you gyno. some people start getting gyno sides at 300mg some can push over 1g and not get them.

best to start low first cycle, 500mg, and then go from there.

if your diet is great and your work outs are great 500mg will give you great gains w/ probably ZERO sides.

Good Luck
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thanks man i will log it for sure
 
As somebody said i would also recommend to use the lower dose, you cant keep using more and more to acheive more.

If you aint gaining from 500mg you should be looking into your diet, traning and rest.. Also SHBG is a very important factor, the more free test you have the better the results will be..

you see, if you shoot tons of test.. alot of it might get bound by SHBG and will work as shooting a lower dose
 
i have never used a OTC product, but i have used winstrol for this purpose..

I might try to go with a SHBG lower and a OCT oestrogen AI/Serm like erase maybe, but yes i do see SHBG having a big role in using steroids.

You see some people gain good by even using 250mg some even ahieve more then people that are doing 1g of it. By using 12times more then the body produces how show the human body now be able to pack on big amounts of size n strength.. ? Shbg? dunno
 
Wait a minute. Are your stats listed right? 6'0" and 360 freaking lbs? If you are six foot tall and three hundred and sixty pounds you are no where near 20% body fat. That would mean you are 288lbs of lean mass. Based on your cycle history (and limited knowledge, no offense intended) there is absolutely no chance these stats are correct. Most people drastically under estimate their body fat percentages. Either that is the case here or those stats are a typo.... Maybe you meant to say 6'0" and 260lbs? Or maybe 6'0" and 360lbs @ 40-50% body fat? Something here doesn't add up!!!

Anyway, regarding your question, typically I'd say there are absolutely no negatives to increasing your dosage to 750mgs/week. I'd say that is true for 95% of users that are under 15% body fat. The more body fat you carry the better your chances of experiencing estrogenic side effects with elevated doses. This is my opinion and personal experience. Also a bulk cycle is always better started with lower body fat levels. If your bulk diet is on point, you will gain additional fat while on cycle.
 
swm1972 said:
Wait a minute. Are your stats listed right? 6'0" and 360 freaking lbs? If you are six foot tall and three hundred and sixty pounds you are no where near 20% body fat. That would mean you are 288lbs of lean mass. Based on your cycle history (and limited knowledge, no offense intended) there is absolutely no chance these stats are correct. Most people drastically under estimate their body fat percentages. Either that is the case here or those stats are a typo.... Maybe you meant to say 6'0" and 260lbs? Or maybe 6'0" and 360lbs @ 40-50% body fat? Something here doesn't add up!!!

Anyway, regarding your question, typically I'd say there are absolutely no negatives to increasing your dosage to 750mgs/week. I'd say that is true for 95% of users that are under 15% body fat. The more body fat you carry the better your chances of experiencing estrogenic side effects with elevated doses. This is my opinion and personal experience. Also a bulk cycle is always better started with lower body fat levels. If your bulk diet is on point, you will gain additional fat while on cycle.
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Very nicely said! And observant.

Yes, going from 500 to 750 will make gains more adamant. But the question here is, do you really have to go to 500 just yet? A lot just go higher too soon for no reason. If making solid gains at 500 no reason to increase it. That day will come if necessary. Your body can only put on so much within a given timeframe no matter the amount. Might be the difference of a few extra lbs. They also work much better without having a high % bf. I'd focus on that before increasing dosage.

You want to prime your body for gear to work its best. Let's say your body can gain 30 lbs in a given cycle, adding 250 or 500 mgs more won't change that. The human body has its limits regardless of quanity of juice.
 
Some members here have had success running 250 test for their first cycle ,nothing like hitting those Virgin receptors, and gains reported were up to 15-20 lbs, if the diet is in check ,so if 500 works go for it!
 
RADAR said:
Some members here have had success running 250 test for their first cycle ,nothing like hitting those Virgin receptors, and gains reported were up to 15-20 lbs, if the diet is in check ,so if 500 works go for it!
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That's what I'm gonna do for my first run at it... 200-250mg.
 
How does test e not help put on muscle? Why do people say such ridiculousness? Maybe not directly... but using that statement to combat a question is absurd.

If any ONE person works out the same way 100 out of 100 times. His diet doesn't change. Then adds test e to his routine... he will see more gains faster and lose body fat. Anyone who argues that is in denial.
 
RADAR said:
Some members here have had success running 250 test for their first cycle ,nothing like hitting those Virgin receptors, and gains reported were up to 15-20 lbs, if the diet is in check ,so if 500 works go for it!
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my first cycle was test E 250mg and dbol 30mg 12 weeks for the test and 4 for the dbol. I was 188 16% BF pounds at the start, I was 222 at the end and 1 month after pct I was still 214 with 24% BF I ate horribly btw. Pints of icream and jars of PB, but I was strong as hell and still pretty big (chest was bigger than stomach lol
 
I am on a Sustanon 250 started at 500 a week for 4 wks then 750 a week I am ending week 6 started 203 lbs now 219 great strength gains alittle bloated but good mass added ...you do start noticing more sides on 750 a week going to do 12 weeks staying at 750 a week ...sustanon 250 mostly consist of test e

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Arabian said:
Remember, that more gear is not always best! I have been running cycles for 10 plus years and I still run 500 mgs per week of test however I will occasionally run 750mg however anything over that is a waste in my opinion!
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what i'll do is (if i stop growing or getting stronger) in a 16 week cycle.. go from 500mg week to 750mg week starting at about week 10... and finish higher...

that's what works for me...

if i'm running say test/var it will be a 10-12 week
 
With a higher dose I've found it harder to bulk (seem to need more calories), harder to sleep and my skin gets more oily (more spots) also more suppressed, cycle obviously becomes more expensive, and no noticeable increase in results... therefore in future I'll be ruNning low/moderate dosages of test stacked with other compounds....that said everyone is different, no one can tell you what the difference in dosages will do for YOU, you may find there's more gains and no more side effects, or more side effects and no more gains.... there's only one way to find that out....
 
Judo Tom said:
thats a loaded question. gear doesnt make you put on muscle. your diet puts on muscle.
your training puts on muscle.
your dedication puts on muscle.

etc

dealing with sides have to be taken into consideration. example if 750mg starts to give you gyno and you go overboard on an anti e you will have less gains than a side free 500mg

if 750 shuts you down hard and screws up your pct you will lose more muscle and not benefit as much as from a 500mg

if you constantly up your dosages down the road you will run into huge problems.

id run 500mg at least once more then think about upping the dosage or stacking.
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diet and training puts on muscle and not test?
is there any truth in that?
is it possible that training will cancel out the diet when you are on test?
or if you train hard and eat hard, you will confirm put on muscles? just wondering...
 
Still curious to see the position on his stats?

If he is 360 he will do nothing but destroy his heart in the process of taking juice and end up with a slew of health problems.
 
Why don't you try it and find out?????

Because what I say and what everyone else says may not even apply to you.
 
the more cycles you have under the belt the more aggressive you have to be,, personally I 500mg ain't doing shit for me
 
I never saw much of a diff between 500 & 600-750. A gram was the lucky number for me, that's where the magic happens. A G of test and an oral is my favorite cycle ever, hands down.
 
alcatraz1662 said:
I never saw much of a diff between 500 & 600-750. A gram was the lucky number for me, that's where the magic happens. A G of test and an oral is my favorite cycle ever, hands down.
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I was thinking this next instead of mixing tren and test etc . A lot of people use just test these days
 
If all things are equal the more drugs you take the bigger/leaner you will be (within reason). However more is not necessarily better. There is little difference between 500 and 750mg test... silly question really. So many factors come into play... the most obvious is everyone reacts differently to certain drugs. I know guys who love high test whilst others hate it. Then comes sensitivity to aromatization... some guys are fine with 1g and no AI whilst others need a high dose of an AI on 300mg per week. Then comes things like injection timing which can effect things greatly (frequent injs can lower aromatization).

For me personally I would rather use 500mg test and add something like 250mg mast than use 750mg test.
 
Craigydar said:
I was thinking this next instead of mixing tren and test etc . A lot of people use just test these days
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It's been years so my memory isn't on point, but my LARGEST cycle was:

750mg test e
600-800mg eq
400-450g tren
60-80mg dbol (beginning)
50-100mg winny (end)
Also ran some IGF throughout in 4 week spurts.

Gain wise I dropped a little fat, lifts went up 10% (if I had to take a guess), weight stayed around the same.

However, my BEST cycle was a G of test and 50mg of drols. Done and done. Simple. Weight went up, bodyfat dropped the same if not a little more, and lifts were def up over 25%. Oberall, this goes without saying but ur diet and rest will play the biggest factors on what ur trying to accomplish. But I've never been a fan of adding a million things into a cycle.

Having said all that, if I ever go back on, I'll never go above 400-500mg of test again. #gettingoldsucks
 
alcatraz1662 said:
It's been years so my memory isn't on point, but my LARGEST cycle was:

750mg test e
600-800mg eq
400-450g tren
60-80mg dbol (beginning)
50-100mg winny (end)
Also ran some IGF throughout in 4 week spurts.

Gain wise I dropped a little fat, lifts went up 10% (if I had to take a guess), weight stayed around the same.

However, my BEST cycle was a G of test and 50mg of drols. Done and done. Simple. Weight went up, bodyfat dropped the same if not a little more, and lifts were def up over 25%. Oberall, this goes without saying but ur diet and rest will play the biggest factors on what ur trying to accomplish. But I've never been a fan of adding a million things into a cycle.

Having said all that, if I ever go back on, I'll never go above 400-500mg of test again. #gettingoldsucks
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Ha ha getting old is life mate . Think I'll try that next time test and oral . Simple , not many jabs . Been looking into hgh myself but it's a huge commitment lol
 
I once tried 1.5g test and I felt like shit... tired all the time and just generally crap. I am on 40mg test p ed now and feel amazing :biggrin:

I may just keep this as a base and add things in. I just added 50mg avar and I am surprised how much I am progressing considering I eat about 2 takeaways everyday :o

alcatraz1662 said:
It's been years so my memory isn't on point, but my LARGEST cycle was:

750mg test e
600-800mg eq
400-450g tren
60-80mg dbol (beginning)
50-100mg winny (end)
Also ran some IGF throughout in 4 week spurts.

Gain wise I dropped a little fat, lifts went up 10% (if I had to take a guess), weight stayed around the same.

However, my BEST cycle was a G of test and 50mg of drols. Done and done. Simple. Weight went up, bodyfat dropped the same if not a little more, and lifts were def up over 25%. Oberall, this goes without saying but ur diet and rest will play the biggest factors on what ur trying to accomplish. But I've never been a fan of adding a million things into a cycle.

Having said all that, if I ever go back on, I'll never go above 400-500mg of test again. #gettingoldsucks
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Elvia1023 said:
I once tried 1.5g test and I felt like shit... tired all the time and just generally crap. I am on 40mg test p ed now and feel amazing :biggrin:

I may just keep this as a base and add things in. I just added 50mg avar and I am surprised how much I am progressing considering I eat about 2 takeaways everyday :o
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KISS: keep it simple stupid. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I like it man. Elvia, I've been meaning to run some ideas by you about a getting-old-lets-get-one-more-run-in guy such as myself. Can I PM you? Or u want me to start a thread and put it out there?
 
I can tell you that I have worked with people taking Grams of test per week, not milligrams. If you really dig into the internet deeply or if you talk to top level bodybuilders they will try not to discuss how much they really take. When really pushed they admit to doses so high it would amaze you. So, my advice is try 500mg for 6 weeks and see how it goes. Make sure diet etc is all perfect. Then maybe increase to 750 and see if it makes a difference....it probably will.
 
footdoc said:
I can tell you that I have worked with people taking Grams of test per week, not milligrams. If you really dig into the internet deeply or if you talk to top level bodybuilders they will try not to discuss how much they really take. When really pushed they admit to doses so high it would amaze you. So, my advice is try 500mg for 6 weeks and see how it goes. Make sure diet etc is all perfect. Then maybe increase to 750 and see if it makes a difference....it probably will.
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I know someone on 10g test per week. I know lots of guys on 4-8 grams of gear... many of them don't come off. As you say some shocking things.
 
alcatraz1662 said:
KISS: keep it simple stupid. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I like it man. Elvia, I've been meaning to run some ideas by you about a getting-old-lets-get-one-more-run-in guy such as myself. Can I PM you? Or u want me to start a thread and put it out there?
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Either matey. I don't mind. Go out with a bang I say :biggrin:
 
High dose of stroids means high risk of side affect you already know that test produce estrogen that is the main issue but Ai block this but if you use high dose of test then Ai can not block estrogen as a result more gyno symptom.......some time more is not better spiceally about stroids .......500mg sweet sport stick this doses and definitly you can see a good result .......that all bro that is my opinion ......good luck

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