What do you think of this cycle?

[NOS2.0]

Ok, I think I have finally found the cycle I want to run next year.
It is a Beastdrol/Epi/Katanadrol stack. I will give a full breakdown below of dosage schedule and all. I chose Beastdrol beacause of the quality strength gains it prodices. Im not into getting huge, I want to be strong and cut. So that leads me to the next two compounds. Epi produces good strength gains as well as increasing vascularity and it is its own anti e. I am gyno prone so this will take care of any possible problems on cycle. It also inhibits fat retention, aiding my goals. The Katanadrol is to cut BF and help with vascularity. I am 6'1, 210lbs and 22%BF. I plan on cutting down to no more than 17% BF before the cycle maintaining 200lbs, thats why I am waiting. The goal is to become about 210 - 215lbs at about 13-14% BF. Give or take. Both Beastdrol and Epi are methyls, therefore I am dosing them both lower than I would as stand alone cycles. I chose LGI's EPI-10 over NTBM's Epi-strong simply for the dosage/capsule (10mg vs 15mg) whcih allows me to use an intermidiate dose, and the price was unbeatable in this already very expensive stack. I just made sense to me. I will be continually using my joint support along with creatine and taurine. Creatine will be updosed to 8g per day (5 currently). Taurine to reduce back/calf pumps will be dosed at 8g per day (5g preworkout currently). I am also thinking about adding in some Need2sleep while on. What do you think?

Here is the breakdown.
Beastdrol
EPI-10
Katanadrol
N2Guard
HCGenerate
Unleashed
Post Cyle
Formastanzol

1-4 Beastdrol 20mg.
10mg at 7am, 5pm

1-4 EPI-10 20mg.
10mg at 12pm, 11pm.

1-4 Katanadrol 250mg.
50mg at 7am, 11am, 3pm, 7pm, 11pm.

1-4 N2Guard 7 caps.
Spread out every 2 hours. Give (no take) 30mins.

1-5 HCGenerate 4 caps.
2 caps at 7am, 11pm.

5-8 Unleashed 3 caps
1 cap at 7am, 3pm, 11pm.

5-8 Post Cycle 3 caps
1 cap at 7am, 3pm, 11pm.

5-10 Formastanzol 10pumps/6pumps.
5-8 5pumps 7am, 5pumps 11pm.
9-10 3pumps 7am, 3pumps 11pm.

 

[deejleos]

Beast 20mg 1st week then go to 30mg for the rest.(30mg is when beast becomes fun) and don't forget beastrol loves carbs!
I like forma stanzol on cycle, 5pumps in am 5 pumps pm, that's more than enough. I would also make sure u throw krill or fish oil 1000mg with the rest of ur supps. Drink at least a gallon of water a day. Good luck!


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[NOS2.0]

I would run the Beast like that stand alone but the the Epi being methylated as well, this is the highest dose of the two I will run. I think if I run the forma on cycle with the EPI, my estrogen may become too low, causeing bad joint pain and diminishing some of the muscle building effects.
I take 6-7000mg Omega 3 ED and am definitely considering Krill TS.
I did forget about the carbs, 40/45/15 P/C/F?
Thanks!

 

[gymjunkie09]

I would get get my bf% way down before even thinking about any cycles...you need to lose about 20 lbs first or you'll be disappointed

And whats with all the orals? Why not just run some test and pick one to kick it with?

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[NOS2.0]

The biggest problem I have with the injects is the needles and vials and someone finding them. If I was living on my own it wouldn't be an issue, but that's not the case. With orals, no one would really think too much of cause I have a pile of pill on my dresser everyday anyways. Plus, they're legal. I know I need to lose BF, as I stated above. The scale doesn't really mean a whole lot to me, its more a bout percentages pre cycle and the mirror afterwards.

 

[gymjunkie09]

The biggest problem I have with the injects is the needles and vials and someone finding them. If I was living on my own it wouldn't be an issue, but that's not the case. With orals, no one would really think too much of cause I have a pile of pill on my dresser everyday anyways. Plus, they're legal. I know I need to lose BF, as I stated above. The scale doesn't really mean a whole lot to me, its more a bout percentages pre cycle and the mirror afterwards.

Either way I wouldnt run 3 orals at once...and 20lbs was just a quick guess on what would bring you down to 12-13% bf

I've seen a couple logs on here were someone ran beast and katana and had good results

And not to discourage you but there is no way you will be able to put on 10-15lbs and drop 3-4% bf at the same time in 4 weeks that's no were near possible..my advice if u wanna run a cycle sooner than later would be.....cut down to 15-16% and continue to cut with katana for 4-6 weeks and if diet and training is on point you should be able to get down to 10-12% then run beast after proper time off and put some lean mass on your frame


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[NOS2.0]

Is the 3 orals thing because of the liver, BP, and Cholesterol? I like the benefits of all these orals, the Katana being able to drop BF, Epi with lean dry gains with the added anti-e, and the great strength from beast. To be completely honest, I don't really care if I still have a few extra pounds of fat hanging around, I'm not into the super shredded look anyways. Size and strength are more important to me than how cut I look. Although I wouldn't mind loosing some of my love handles. I am keeping the dosages fairly low to be sure not to exceed what my body can handel. I am getting blood tests shortly and again pre and post cycle.(Side not, what should I look for?).

 

[deejleos]

What's ur workout routine like, Beast is definitely a bulker, I gained 11bs of muscle mass on beast! How do u know ur prone to gyno? Beast doesn't convert to estrogen, heard about some kind of rebound gyno off of beast but I don't know how much i believe that. I used forma on cycle cuz I'm also taking test cyp, y no test for u? Test is actually help leaning me out too


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[gymjunkie09]

Is the 3 orals thing because of the liver, BP, and Cholesterol? I like the benefits of all these orals, the Katana being able to drop BF, Epi with lean dry gains with the added anti-e, and the great strength from beast. To be completely honest, I don't really care if I still have a few extra pounds of fat hanging around, I'm not into the super shredded look anyways. Size and strength are more important to me than how cut I look. Although I wouldn't mind loosing some of my love handles. I am keeping the dosages fairly low to be sure not to exceed what my body can handel. I am getting blood tests shortly and again pre and post cycle.(Side not, what should I look for?).

Oral steroids and designer steroids can be very toxic to your body if u don't take the necessary precautions....if you ask me you're tryin to do to much as once...bulk or cut pick one unless you wanna run tren
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[deejleos]

Oral steroids and designer steroids can be very toxic to your body if u don't take the necessary precautions....if you ask me you're tryin to do to much as once...bulk or cut pick one unless you wanna run tren
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I agree


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[NOS2.0]

Workout routine is solid. Heavy lifts for 2 weeks. Light lifts high reps for 2 weeks.
Mondays - Bis, tris, forearms, some shoulders.
Tuesday - Legs, abs. cardio
Wednesday - Chest, back some shoulders.
Thursday - Bis, tris, forearms, abs.
Friday - Legs, some shoulders, cardio
Sunday - Cardio.
I cant do alot of shoulders at once because i have bad shoulders, one requiring surgery a while back and the other is just uncomfortable sometimes.
I had some gyno during puberty, never really lost it. I also carry my fat around my love handles. I suspect high estrogen, thats why im getting tests.
I know none of these compounds convert to estrogen, but it is a nice thought to have a little lower levels considering my current situation.
No test for me because of the needles and vials. Hard to hide from the roomies.

 

[NOS2.0]

Ok. I thought that too. Im getting too far ahead of myself. Thats why I love this forum, you guys put me back in my place.
I would like to use the cycle to bulk, and cut down naturally using diet and more cardio.
Im thinking drop the Katana and keep the Beast and Epi at the above dosages, what do you think?

 

[gymjunkie09]

Workout routine is solid. Heavy lifts for 2 weeks. Light lifts high reps for 2 weeks.
Mondays - Bis, tris, forearms, some shoulders.
Tuesday - Legs, abs. cardio
Wednesday - Chest, back some shoulders.
Thursday - Bis, tris, forearms, abs.
Friday - Legs, some shoulders, cardio
Sunday - Cardio.
I cant do alot of shoulders at once because i have bad shoulders, one requiring surgery a while back and the other is just uncomfortable sometimes.
I had some gyno during puberty, never really lost it. I also carry my fat around my love handles. I suspect high estrogen, thats why im getting tests.
I know none of these compounds convert to estrogen, but it is a nice thought to have a little lower levels considering my current situation.
No test for me because of the needles and vials. Hard to hide from the roomies.

No need to work shoulders three times a week week and ur overtraining everything else and throw the heavy for two weeks and light for two weeks out the window.

Go with a 4 day split 12-15 rep range.. with cardio 3or4 days a week...alternate hiit pwo with fasted a.m. lit cardio

I would do this for a few months them maybe run a cycle with one compound....you're over doin and over thinkn this whole thing bro trust me


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[NOS2.0]

Alright, thanks a ton.
Whats a four day split?

 

[deejleos]

Alright, thanks a ton.
Whats a four day split?

I think best for u is

1. All pull exercises
2. All push exercises
3. Legs and abs
4. Rest days should be when ur body tells u
5. 15-20min cardio don't take heart rate above 130 or u become catabolic and start burning muscle

And honestly bro if the only reason ur not injecting is cuz of roomates, that's kinda lame, ur a grown ass man and what kinda friends would judge u. Wether it's a pill or injection a drug is a drug, u should do a nice bulk cycle then cut it up.


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[NOS2.0]

Haha, true. I guess im not ready to be labeled as a juice head. These guys arent the guy to understand steroids and what they do for you. I guess they're jealous because they are too afraid to pin themselves.
I would like to cut my BF prior to bulking simply because of where I am at right now. It would be silly to start any time soon.

 

[gymjunkie09]

I think best for u is

1. All pull exercises
2. All push exercises
3. Legs and abs
4. Rest days should be when ur body tells u
5. 15-20min cardio don't take heart rate above 130 or u become catabolic and start burning muscle

And honestly bro if the only reason ur not injecting is cuz of roomates, that's kinda lame, ur a grown ass man and what kinda friends would judge u. Wether it's a pill or injection a drug is a drug, u should do a nice bulk cycle then cut it up.


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Im gonna have to disagree with your theory on hear rate and becoming catabolic...hiit training is probably the most effective method for fatloss, if done properly...box jumps,burpees,wind sprints etc.....look at wide recievers, they're ripped and they are constantly training this way

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[gymjunkie09]

Haha, true. I guess im not ready to be labeled as a juice head. These guys are the guy to understand steroids and what they do for you. I guess they're jealous because they are too afraid to pin themselves.
I would like to cut my BF prior to bulking simply because of where I am at right now. It would be silly to start any time soon.

Why would they be in your room in the first place? Put a lock on the door....honestly you're better off waiting anyways imo

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[gymjunkie09]

Alright, thanks a ton.
Whats a four day split?

a four day split would look something like this

Mon. Chest/abs
Tues. Back
Wed. Rest or lit a.m. cardio
Thurs. Legs/shoulder
Fri. Bi's/tris/abs

Stay in the 12-15 rep range 3 sets per exercise...4-5 exercises for large muscle groups 3 sets for small muscle group...you can also through calves in a couple days a week and 10-15 min. Hiit training pwo 2-3 days a week....

That's a nice basic routine to shed some fat along with proper diet of course


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[deejleos]

Im gonna have to disagree with your theory on hear rate and becoming catabolic...hiit training is probably the most effective method for fatloss, if done properly...box jumps,burpees,wind sprints etc.....look at wide recievers, they're ripped and they are constantly training this way

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Wide receivers not the bulky players look at defense of line offensense of line, not known for there running speed just very conditioned, any many of them quick burst routines are not taking heartrate at a constant high numbers, not to mention the diets on these guys are more then most of us can afford, u dont usually see body builders running much mostly doing stairs and elipticals


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[gymjunkie09]

Wide receivers not the bulky players look at defense of line offensense of line, not known for there running speed just very conditioned, any many of them quick burst routines are not taking heartrate at a constant high numbers, not to mention the diets on these guys are more then most of us can afford, u dont usually see body builders running much mostly doing stairs and elipticals


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hiit will spike your heart-rate then drop it.....but i def see your point high intensity cardio for long periods of time will end up making you look like stick figure lol. I'm pretty sure Defensive lineman also do plenty of hiit traing but weight train different and eat more than wide reciecers because endurance, speed,agility, and power is a must for any defensive lineman

 

[deejleos]

hiit will spike your heart-rate then drop it.....but i def see your point high intensity cardio for long periods of time will end up making you look like stick figure lol. I'm pretty sure Defensive lineman also do plenty of hiit traing but weight train different and eat more than wide reciecers because endurance, speed,agility, and power is a must for any defensive lineman

Yeah no doubt


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[NOS2.0]

Thanks guys, I really appriciate it!

 

[NOS2.0]

One more question. IF I run the cycle with Beast and Epi and 20mg each. With the PCT I have lined up, would that be enough to keep most of if not all my gains? or would adding in AnaBeta to PCT be a good option.

 

[gymjunkie09]

One more question. IF I run the cycle with Beast and Epi and 20mg each. With the PCT I have lined up, would that be enough to keep most of if not all my gains? or would adding in AnaBeta to PCT be a good option.

the pct u have is fine



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[deejleos]

the pct u have is fine



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Agreed ur PCT is fine, should keep the majority of gains as ling ad u keep ur intensity in the gym and keep diet right


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[NOS2.0]

Sick, thanks again!