Looking to do a very mild first cycle.

[dod123]

Ok so a little info before I get started. Been training a little over 3 years now (although I did have some inconsistant training before that). 23 Years old Diet is in check I have been bulking for the past 4 months on 3200-3400 calories around 200-250g protein and atleast 100g fats. Stats are 5'7 currently around 178-180 Lbs. Not 100% sure on Bf but id guess around 15% as abs are visable unflexed (I hope lol). Lifts are 260ish bench (FML) , 495 Dead , 365 Atg Squat. Have done 2 PH cycles, but the first one was a complete waste as a lost all gains and really had no idea what I was diong. Also developed some minor gyno during PCT (nolva + T booster). Il chalk that up as a learning experience, so I would like to make the most out of this.

For this cycle I am looking for something mild. I am probably going to run it during the winter, but I will likely cut to aruond 168-172 before I started (that way I could end aruond 180-185 @ a lower bf% than I am now.). During the cycle Id like to gain around 8-10 LBS LBM while maintaining or even lowering BF a little (hope this is realistic enough). Anyway a few things I have been thinking of were 12 Weeks Eq @ 400mg/w or 10 Weeks Test-E @ 250mg/w, but really open to suggestions.

 

[thebigoz]

Test-E @ 500mg EW for 8-10 weeks. Great first cycle.

What do you have in mind for PCT?

 

[dod123]

Test-E @ 500mg EW for 8-10 weeks. Great first cycle.

What do you have in mind for PCT?

Well currently doing some research on hCG, but I plan to use clomid 50/50/25/25 + DAA. Also have some letro on hand and if I run test I will pick up an AI to run on cycle.

 

[thebigoz]

Use the HCG mid-cycle. For PCT I'd recommend throwing in Unleashed and Post-Cycle to go with your SERM. They're cheap and very effective.

 

[Arabian]

Test e or C as Oz suggested at 500mgs per week and you could always add an oral to it. I would run something like this;

Week 1-12
Test 500 per week
Week 1-6
Dbol 30 mgs or Anavar at 30mgs per day

PCT should be the following:
Get some N2GUARD and HCGENERATE while on, UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE for PCT and BRIDGE for afterwards.

 

[Liquid 2009]

Test e or C as Oz suggested at 500mgs per week and you could always add an oral to it. I would run something like this;

Week 1-12
Test 500 per week
Week 1-6
Dbol 30 mgs or Anavar at 30mgs per day

PCT should be the following:
Get some N2GUARD and HCGENERATE while on, UNLEASHED and POST CYCLE for PCT and BRIDGE for afterwards.

Very great advice! I second this completely!

 

[phenom16]

My advice, once again, at 23 years old and training for 3 years is to build a better base naturally first. 3 years? That's nothing bro. Not trying to flame you but you aren't even close to your genetic potential. I don't think anyone should touch aas until they are close to 30 and been training at least 10 years. But thats my opinion I guess.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I agree with Arabian on the PCT but would make the cycle shorter and milder. If you got gyno even when using nolva, I would avoid anything that would aggravate it. And dbol would aggravate it.

Your origial idea isn't bad, though I don;t love EQ, primo would be a much better choice.

And 12 weeks is too long. You'd make more solid gains using higher dosages for less time.

I hate clomid and I hate nova. Two really shitty drugs, but they work for some people.

 

[Power36]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/whats-hurry-758911.html

 

[Stryker1992]

I agree with Arabian on the PCT but would make the cycle shorter and milder. If you got gyno even when using nolva, I would avoid anything that would aggravate it. And dbol would aggravate it.

Your origial idea isn't bad, though I don;t love EQ, primo would be a much better choice.

And 12 weeks is too long. You'd make more solid gains using higher dosages for less time.

I hate clomid and I hate nova. Two really shitty drugs, but they work for some people.

I agree with Nelson...

 

[daveyboy2345]

test e or c for 8 weeks 350 mgs week (1cc every 5 days) .25mgs letro ed. nolva on hand.

 

[thebigoz]

test e or c for 8 weeks 350 mgs week (1cc every 5 days) .25mgs letro ed. nolva on hand.

Have to recommend against running letro ED. I think this drug is best used only when you see sides, not as a precautionary measure. The negative side effects can be dramatic.

 

[IceIzNoble]

Drop the dbol and take tbol or var instead.

IcE

 

[dod123]

wow thanks for all the solid input guys. I am def liking the primo suggestion and I will look into that. As far as this cycle goes I probably wont run any orals with it as I feel I will still make solid gains without.