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EarthRider
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cliff notes please
The corporations have been fucking us with no lube.
PICK3
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1:44:18.... Java is that you?
If only we could live in a perfect world where government employed everyone.
I don't recall seeing that suggested anywhere in the video.
mrplunkey
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Yeah, but your first mistake is assuming I'd watch a video you posted.
mrplunkey
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P.S. Barry's gonna have to start sucking up to those greedy corporate jet owners. The economy is really sucking wind ATM.
lol
mrplunkey
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Why you gotta geigh everything up?
Strongbow
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Please don't gay up my threads.
Strongbow
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That was shot to shit the second Plunkey posted in it.
mrplunkey
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I concur.
See db? You and I can agree on some things (probably more than either of us would admit).
Strongbow
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Well for the record I think you're correct. Like for example you both think cock is more satisfying than pussy. You're both old as fuck. You both like polotics and stupid shit. I think you two could really be a match made in heaven, with the exception of God hateing faggots and all.
I think that the ideal is more free market controls. However, with the multinationals so powerful / large (thanks subsidies), it's too easy for the multis to to abuse the situation where there is no controls (ie see gas prices). So, the question is, how do we get to there from here?
bTW, you're both old.
bTW, you're both old.
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javaguru
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He has a few flaws in his arguments...
1. Being a welder or machinist in 1954 was much more labor intensive in training than being a spreadsheet specialist in 2011.
2. Likewise, after the introduction of spreadsheet and software accounting; Companies slashed the number of accountants they employed which decreased the average wage as people needed to seek less lucrative employment; Technology decreases wages..duh...
3. Not factoring benefits into wages....health care and education benefits as well as 401k matches are income even if the IRS doesn't recognize it. If you adjust wages based on health care costs alone then they have not been stagnant since the 1970's but rising.
4. Ok, people leave corporations to pursue their own business...that's capitalism!
5. Corporations would not exist without a government mandate...think about it.
The collapse of the middle class can be traced along the same time line based based on the increase of government entitlements for the middle class. The two areas where inflation of cost for the private citizen are untenable are the ones where the federal government has the most power...Higher Education followed by health care.
1. Being a welder or machinist in 1954 was much more labor intensive in training than being a spreadsheet specialist in 2011.
2. Likewise, after the introduction of spreadsheet and software accounting; Companies slashed the number of accountants they employed which decreased the average wage as people needed to seek less lucrative employment; Technology decreases wages..duh...
3. Not factoring benefits into wages....health care and education benefits as well as 401k matches are income even if the IRS doesn't recognize it. If you adjust wages based on health care costs alone then they have not been stagnant since the 1970's but rising.
4. Ok, people leave corporations to pursue their own business...that's capitalism!
5. Corporations would not exist without a government mandate...think about it.
The collapse of the middle class can be traced along the same time line based based on the increase of government entitlements for the middle class. The two areas where inflation of cost for the private citizen are untenable are the ones where the federal government has the most power...Higher Education followed by health care.
mrplunkey
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That's a common misconception. Massive regulation is what multis need to lock-out competition and lock-in higher prices.
The regulated will always be in bed with the regulators.
As a political and fiscal conservative, I really dislike the FDA. But as a manufacturer of medical devices, they're the best friend we've ever had. If it weren't for FDA, there's be bitches coming out of the woodwork whittling-away at our prices. As-is, do you think for a second someone like J&J, Medtronic or BD is going to kick-off a price war? That's not going to happen.
I understand your view. Perhaps, I should have been clearer. After reading my previous post, I don't think that the main intent of my point was concise. I agree of the facility that regulators will introduce a fair playing field (especially with the ability to lobby).
I don't think that massive regulation is required, but enough for some aspects of service. I understand that the term "enough" introduces a slippery slope. In my specific example, I'm thinking of water treatment plans nearby my old hometown. They were deregulated and the lowest cost provider skimped on the water treatment facilities and people died from eColi.
mrplunkey
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Ahhh... got ya.
Fuck me with the grammar / word checker. That line should read:
"I agree with the fallacy that regulators will introduce a fair playing field (especially with the ability to lobby)."
The point being that people expect that regulators will ensure that the playing field will stay even. If the corn subsidies / TSA / FAA have taught us anything, it's that lobbies are very powerful.
"I agree with the fallacy that regulators will introduce a fair playing field (especially with the ability to lobby)."
The point being that people expect that regulators will ensure that the playing field will stay even. If the corn subsidies / TSA / FAA have taught us anything, it's that lobbies are very powerful.
mrplunkey
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That's part of the logic that leads me to the inescapable conclusion that the best way to minimize corruption in government is to minimize government.
Either that, or figure out how to do it with altruistic robots. But of course, then anonymous would just hack the robots and make them do their bidding... So screw it. Let's just make government smaller.
I like the idea of expanded state government and less federal government. That way, you can move to whatever state government you like.
mrplunkey
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I'm totally for that. I love the idea of 50 independent test tubes. Some of the experiments will be spectacular failures, but the best ideas would undoubtedly be copied and promulgated.
That's the kind of radical change we'd need to pull out of our current economic mess. That $14.5T tab isn't getting paid any other way (and it may still be too large to tackle).
Then how do we minimize corruption in the private sector?
mrplunkey
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The backstop would be laws, but only for the glaringly obvious negative behaviors (i.e. fraud, conspiracy, price fixing).
But the more subtle, day-to-day control comes from customers, shareholders and competitors. No one scares a member of the private sector like a customer can. They're the only one who can impose the death penalty on a company -- simply by not buying their product.
And as much as I dislike them, another line of defense would be trial lawyers. They've regulated the medical device industry now for at least 30 years. But there I still support the idea of reining them in with some common-sense ideas like loser-pays and caps on runaway juries.
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