please rate / advise my first cycle

[bigmike1984]

Hi everyone ive just started my first ever cycle (second shot) which consists of a single shot once a week
containing sust 250 and deca 200.

Im 26 years old 5,9 in height and 80kg in weight been training for 3 years and got my diet and supliments down to a very good standard.

I plan to drop the deca on week 8 and run the sust for a further 2 weeks alone to finish
(10 week cycle).

Now ive heard that deca can be a bit of a problem so was wondering what exactly to look out for and what exactly to have on hand incase (i have access to all pct drugs etc)

What gains can i expect and when can i expect to see any changes?
also can anyone advise an exact pct routine and exactly when to start and for how long etc.

also what can i expect with regards to interferance with sex drive etc (if any on this relativly mild cycle)?

Thanks for taking the time to read this and any help , comments , advice will be appreciated .

 

[lafragle]

so your taking deca without a pct in mind or even knowing what to take? Sorry man but your already fucked. And after 3 years already taking the sauce? I've been training for 10 and just considering it now. Smarter men can help you I cannot. Gl

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[C0LUMB0]

Hi everyone ive just started my first ever cycle (second shot) which consists of a single shot once a week
containing sust 250 and deca 200.

Im 26 years old 5,9 in height and 80kg in weight been training for 3 years and got my diet and supliments down to a very good standard.

I plan to drop the deca on week 8 and run the sust for a further 2 weeks alone to finish
(10 week cycle).

Now ive heard that deca can be a bit of a problem so was wondering what exactly to look out for and what exactly to have on hand incase (i have access to all pct drugs etc)

What gains can i expect and when can i expect to see any changes?
also can anyone advise an exact pct routine and exactly when to start and for how long etc.

also what can i expect with regards to interferance with sex drive etc (if any on this relativly mild cycle)?

Thanks for taking the time to read this and any help , comments , advice will be appreciated .

you have made some big mistakes my friend.

PCT not in check and even worse is that you have not researched what to do for PCT before you started putting AAS into your body.

Deca is not a good idea for a first cycle, again no research.

If you start to see signs of gyno developing ,how will you know what is causing it ? what do you have in-hand to combat possible sides ?

When i see somebody ask what gains can i expect and when will it start it really shows how little they put into research .
Gains will be dependant on your diet and training - simple as that.

your only saving grace is that you are only one shot into the cycle and havent gone down the road to titsville just yet.
This is what i strongly suggest you should do.

STOP with the juice for now , 1 shot is neither here nor there.
Do a hell of a lot of reading here on EF before doing any more injections ...Start with the stickies , then use the search function to look at other first cycles.

learn about hpta shutdown, side effects , dosing ,hcg , pct , ai's , serms ...etc.
ask plenty of questions...you can PM me or any of the mods and mentors with questions.

When you are ready you can post up your new proposed cycle including pct and everything else and the brotha's on here will critique it for you.

 

[millser4]

I agree with columbo completely but if you do not take his advice...(you would be out of your mind not to.) Please at least listen to this advice if you're too stubborn to stop. Definitely research pct on your own in great detail.
Pct isn't a cookie cutter find out what works best for you bro. I just finished a test deca dbol cycle and my pct and on cycle support is as follows:

N2guard 1-10
Forma stanzol 2-10
Hcgenerate 6-10
Dostinex was on hand
Clomid 25mg 11-14
Post cycle 11-14
Unleashed 11-14

I'm in week 2 of my pct and I'm recovering well right now but it doesn't mean it will work for you my man, you may want to look into buying hcg. I've always used Hcgenerate and its worked fine for me.



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[bigmike1984]

well i apprecite the advice from you all but my post did state that i have access to all pct drugs and i just wanted to know how to approach pct with this perticular cycle , therefore my pct is both well in mind and in hand whenever i want it , so anyone who has used sust and deca cycle please let me know how you approched pct and how long after cycle was complete im thinking 2 weeks after the last shot of sust , will one drug be enough of will i need a stack of pct drugs if so which would be recomended i will add once again pct drugs are avalible to me whenever i wish to pick them up.

 

[Judo Tom]

whenever you ask a pct question be prepared for 100 different type of answers. Again research what you think is best and post it up. Some people will say use hcg/clomid/nolva. Some just nolva some a combo of all or some of them.

part of this journey is figuring out what works best for you.

IMO look up posts by Nelson he has some great threads and posts on PCT therapy.

 

[Deltoid_87]

Uv pinned now u may as well carry on. Just Get some adex, Aromasin or letro asap to control estrogen.. get some dostinex to prevent possible deca dick.. hcg.. and get a pct sorted. Check out needtobuildmuscle.com. unleashed/post cycle and phyto serms is a popular stack. Followed by bridge. Good recovery right there, I like to throw in a little clomid. Don't do nolva after deca. Don't do it at all in fact... and do some research bro. I won't say stop cuz u probably won't. But if ur gonna continue at least do it properly. Pm me if u want anymore advice.

 

[zedhed]

Well bigmike you got a couple of diff aveneus to take here from the advice above. It is all good advice. And so tell us what are you gonn do now bro?
Hopefully you will contine to post your expereince here so that others can learn, cuz thats what its all about for all of us. Learning and knowledge about this thing we choose to do.

 

[bigmike1984]

Ok so yeasterday I went to the gym to train while there
I took the opp to chat to the owner and supplier of my cycle now this man is no
Fool his gym is well respected in our city (birmingham) which ids the uks
Second city behind london the gym is full of competing and pro bodybuilders to whom he suplys most

He says that hcg and clyomid will be sufficiant pct for my perticular cycle
And has everythinhg I need when I'm finished he will tell me how much of what to take when
Also if any signs of gyno or anything else tell him and he will sort me. Out there and then

 

[zedhed]

Umm...bigmike the thing is that this is some way powerful stuff that you are willing to put into your bod. Ok he says he will take care of you and thats all good. But bro it is your bod man. You are the one that is gonna have to live with the results of whatever happens be it good or bad. That is why YOU should know what your doing my man.