Reaching Your Limit

[GreenEggsnHam]

Ok I keep hearing people say, even if you juice properly, and exceed your 100% natural limit. That over time no matter what, your body will return itself to its 100% genetic limit if you never juice again. Bascially they say any muscle over the 100% natural limit the body cannot maintain because it could never produce that much naturally, so it cant keep it.

With this being said, for people who were planning on getting to there 100% natural limit and then juicing (thought to be the best way) only once ever. Are they not better off to just juice earlier before they reach there limit, get to there limit from roids and maintain that for many years naturally afterwords. So basically both sides have the same outcome only juicing earlier before your limit, gets you there much faster.

 

[C.K.]

someones genetic limit could take them to the age of 35 to reach

 

[Nelson Montana]

Ok I keep hearing people say, even if you juice properly, and exceed your 100% natural limit. That over time no matter what, your body will return itself to its 100% genetic limit if you never juice again. Bascially they say any muscle over the 100% natural limit the body cannot maintain because it could never produce that much naturally, so it cant keep it.

With this being said, for people who were planning on getting to there 100% natural limit and then juicing (thought to be the best way) only once ever. Are they not better off to just juice earlier before they reach there limit, get to there limit from roids and maintain that for many years naturally afterwords. So basically both sides have the same outcome only juicing earlier before your limit, gets you there much faster.

No, because if you use gear before reaching your limit it'll suppress what you can achieve naturally. And you CAN maintain some enhanced gains if you continue to train, if the gains were acquired slowly and solidified. That means gains of 5-10 pounds, then maintained with training, supps, etc.and not doing a cycle until you're completely recovered -- which is longer than time on/time off. It's more like TWICE time off to time on. Of course, if you can 50 pounds on a cycle and then stop, over time, you will lose pretty much 50 pounds.

 

[RottenWillow]

Ok I keep hearing people say, even if you juice properly, and exceed your 100% natural limit. That over time no matter what, your body will return itself to its 100% genetic limit if you never juice again. Bascially they say any muscle over the 100% natural limit the body cannot maintain because it could never produce that much naturally, so it cant keep it.

With this being said, for people who were planning on getting to there 100% natural limit and then juicing (thought to be the best way) only once ever. Are they not better off to just juice earlier before they reach there limit, get to there limit from roids and maintain that for many years naturally afterwords. So basically both sides have the same outcome only juicing earlier before your limit, gets you there much faster.

why did you start another thread 3 hours after the first one, asking the same question?

 

[Zyglamail]

someones genetic limit could take them to the age of 35 to reach

Exactly what I was thinking, as you train you continue to push your limit farther from what it was.

 

[GreenEggsnHam]

No, because if you use gear before reaching your limit it'll suppress what you can achieve naturally. And you CAN maintain some enhanced gains if you continue to train, if the gains were acquired slowly and solidified. That means gains of 5-10 pounds, then maintained with training, supps, etc.and not doing a cycle until you're completely recovered -- which is longer than time on/time off. It's more like TWICE time off to time on. Of course, if you can 50 pounds on a cycle and then stop, over time, you will lose pretty much 50 pounds.

So in that sense, people are always raving about pure test cycles for a first cycle. Wouldnt it be best to reach your natural limit and then run primobolan for slow steady gains?

 

[RADAR]

It's a fact that the more muscle you build naturally the better steroids will work

 

[Nelson Montana]

So in that sense, people are always raving about pure test cycles for a first cycle. Wouldnt it be best to reach your natural limit and then run primobolan for slow steady gains?

That's the way I did it -- and most of the guys who grew up in that time. Today, it's different. Lots of bad advice -- guys want instant results -- people don't learn how to train properly -- access to steroids is a lot easier -- everybody is an expert as long as they own a computer and sign up with a message board. But what is...is.

 

[stevesmi]

So in that sense, people are always raving about pure test cycles for a first cycle.

because any genius can run a steroid cycle.. but a PCT is the hard part. so running something like deca or tren for a first cycle would be highly risky. you won't know what to do when your dick doesn't work and your bloods come in at 90 test levels.

the best first cycle is 500/w test (long esther, prop is too many pins) 1-8 .. with 20mg/d dbol the first 3 weeks. and run a small AI with it. then you lineup a kickass PCT and recover fully using blood tests to confirm that.

then a 2nd cycle would be test with primo or masteron. both are mild and 'easy' to recover from.

once you get more advanced then you can try deca or tren. you need to understand the risks and have a hardcore PCT lined up.