India Train Bombings

[Razorguns]

Guess who's to blame for the India train bombings that killed 190 people (read cnn: and u wonder why people never care about our 9/11's) :

radical islamic militants from kashmir

What a surprise! Muslims!

The centuries old muslim vs hindu war will begin again. Soon the whole world will hate muslims. They should anger chinese next. 1 billion there.

 

[nimbus]

i dont get why this thread title has a grinning face attached to it...glad the bombings made your day bro

 

[Razorguns]

habit making smiley when creating threads - anyways concentrate on what i said yo.

 

[bluepeter]

Indeed. All Catholics are child molesters.

 

[DannoMight]

WOW what a suprise. Man those radical muslims just keep making more friends by the day.

 

[manny78]

They should anger chinese next. 1 billion there.

They wont because China would just kill them one by one and the international community would call it an act of self-defense rather than genocide. Muslims know that, they know we have strong business links with them.

 

[dullboy]

Indeed. All Catholics are child molesters.

from this day forward, dullboy will now refer to you as "master of worst analogies". dullboy encourages others to do so as well.

 

[bluepeter]

from this day forward, dullboy will now refer to you as "master of worst analogies". dullboy encourages others to do so as well.

Sure because my ridiculous analogy branding an enormous group under the same umbrella for the deplorable actions of a few was completely different than categorizing a billion and a half muslims for the actions of a few. Totally see where you're coming from.

 

[dullboy]

Sure because my ridiculous analogy branding an enormous group under the same umbrella for the deplorable actions of a few was completely different than categorizing a billion and a half muslims for the actions of a few. Totally see where you're coming from.

dullboy is pretty certain that the catholic church doesn't approve of child molesting, as much as you'd like to believe so to support your prejudices.

certainly, most catholics don't support the concept of child molesting.

where are the leaders of islam who speak out against terrorism? why are members of that faith so quiet about speaking out against terrorist acts committed in their names? could it possibly be, that many members of the faith support these acts?

 

[Gambino]

Indeed. All Catholics are child molesters.

and what does this have to do with militant muslims?? hmmm

 

[bluepeter]

dullboy is pretty certain that the catholic church doesn't approve of child molesting, as much as you'd like to believe so to support your prejudices.

certainly, most catholics don't support the concept of child molesting.

where are the leaders of islam who speak out against terrorism? why are members of that faith so quiet about speaking out against terrorist acts committed in their names? could it possibly be, that many members of the faith support these acts?

While I agree there should be a much stronger voice emanating from the Islamic community condemning terrorist acts, to say that none are doing so would be incorrect. There has been widespread condemnation across the globe for many of the recent terrorist attacks including the bombings in the UK a year ago. I assume you are also aware of items such as the fatwah issued by Sistani in Iraq.

P.S. - If I wanted to be really technical, I could say that the Catholic church covered up much of the molestation for years and years which could certainly be viewed as condoning it

 

[AAP]

Just in case ya'll wondering, I am only posting on this thread to get my name here.

 

[dullboy]

While I agree there should be a much stronger voice emanating from the Islamic community condemning terrorist acts, to say that none are doing so would be incorrect. There has been widespread condemnation across the globe for many of the recent terrorist attacks including the bombings in the UK a year ago. I assume you are also aware of items such as the fatwah issued by Sistani in Iraq.

P.S. - If I wanted to be really technical, I could say that the Catholic church covered up much of the molestation for years and years which could certainly be viewed as condoning it

how many of these fatwahs have there been condemning osama bin laden?

or jihadist attacks in general?

maybe, just maybe, many muslims quietly support these attacks as a way of defending themselves from *insert muslim gripes here*.

what other conclusion is a rational person to draw?

dullboy would just like to know where many muslims stand. silence is indeed deafening.

dullboy thinks that the worst possible result of muslims remaining silent is to eventually deal with a confused west. and dullboy doesn't mean bombs and shit. rather, being forcefully deported from the western (modern?) world and islolated.

that would suck.

 

[bluepeter]

how many of these fatwahs have there been condemning osama bin laden?

or jihadist attacks in general?

maybe, just maybe, many muslims quietly support these attacks as a way of defending themselves from *insert muslim gripes here*.

what other conclusion is a rational person to draw?

dullboy would just like to know where many muslims stand. silence is indeed deafening.

dullboy thinks that the worst possible result of muslims remaining silent is to eventually deal with a confused west. and dullboy doesn't mean bombs and shit. rather, being forcefully deported from the western (modern?) world and islolated.

that would suck.

That would indeed suck. As I said though, there has been much condemnation of terrorism and Al-Qaeda in particular from muslim leaders and nations in the past few years. Not what I would call enough but it's been getting better.

 

[phenom007]

resistance

 

[bluepeter]

how many of these fatwahs have there been condemning osama bin laden?

or jihadist attacks in general?

maybe, just maybe, many muslims quietly support these attacks as a way of defending themselves from *insert muslim gripes here*.

what other conclusion is a rational person to draw?

dullboy would just like to know where many muslims stand. silence is indeed deafening.

dullboy thinks that the worst possible result of muslims remaining silent is to eventually deal with a confused west. and dullboy doesn't mean bombs and shit. rather, being forcefully deported from the western (modern?) world and islolated.

that would suck.

Since you claim the silence is deafening:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/fri...-again-and.html

 

[heatherrae]

I have seen coverage of the Muslims trying to state time and time again that they don't condone the terrorist acts. Bluepeter also has a point that the Catholic church just moved the priests around to other states to cover up the problem, which allowed more kids to be molested.

I don't think all Muslims are terrorists, and I don't think all Catholics are child molesters. Can't you people get it through your heads that all people of a religion cannot be blamed for the acts of a few very hateful and cruel people?

 

[fistfullofsteel]

no doubt about it, we're all going to die. WWIII is right around the corner.

 

[Phenom78]

I have seen coverage of the Muslims trying to state time and time again that they don't condone the terrorist acts. Bluepeter also has a point that the Catholic church just moved the priests around to other states to cover up the problem, which allowed more kids to be molested.

I don't think all Muslims are terrorists, and I don't think all Catholics are child molesters. Can't you people get it through your heads that all people of a religion cannot be blamed for the acts of a few very hateful and cruel people?

How did you ever get through law school?

Besides the obvious of comparing, however misguidedly, terrorism to the Church sex scandals, the following also bears stating.

The practice of quietly dealing with sexual predators wasn't invented by the Church. It reflected a general societal view in the US at the time that it was in the best interestst of the child to do so. It was routinely done throughout the entire US public school sysytem, as well as everywhere from hospitals to government run daycare. That it was a stupid policy I will not argue. But it was hardly uniquely a Church problem.

And they weren't simply "shuffled around." The fact that they were required to undergo mandatory and extensive psychiatric counseling is often left out of these rants. We now know that these predators are uncurable, but that wasn't the medical wisdom at the time when the left was claiming they were all treatable conditions.

Thsi si not intended as an absolution, but rather a correction of the facts. Bottom line is over 90% of the Church sex cases involved priests and teenage boys. If any conclusion is clear it is that gays should be prevented from becoming priests.

 

[Y_lifter]

I wonder what's involved in converting to Satanism ?

Too bad FromZero isn't posting here any longer, he would probably know.

 

[dullboy]

I have seen coverage of the Muslims trying to state time and time again that they don't condone the terrorist acts. Bluepeter also has a point that the Catholic church just moved the priests around to other states to cover up the problem, which allowed more kids to be molested.

I don't think all Muslims are terrorists, and I don't think all Catholics are child molesters. Can't you people get it through your heads that all people of a religion cannot be blamed for the acts of a few very hateful and cruel people?

dullboy is confused.

worldwide terroism and purposely slaughtering countless innocents is in the name of Allah is = to a few catholic priests molesting some young boys??

worst. analogy. evar.

 

[dullboy]

dullboy is amused by the concept of moral equivalency and relativism used as an excuse to justify terrorism.

moral relativism resides in the province of the small minded.



quis est bonus parumper carnero est non usquequaque bonus pro job.

 

[heatherrae]

I didn't make the analogy. bluepeter did. It isn't the priests to terrorist analogy that I am trying to make. The point is that generalizing by letting a few bad seeds represent the entire religion would be wrong in both cases.

Also, being that one of the significant reasons that our forefathers came to America was to escape religious persecution, it seems sad that we would rationalize people here saying we should go to war, not with a country, but with all people of that religion. From a practical stanpoint, can you imagine the outcry from the rest of the world if we actually were so imprudent that we actually made that an objective in our foreign policy.

This argument is the same that I used to hear from racist all the time growing up -- "All blacks are N*ggers. You see on the news every night that one has killed someone. We should lynch them all." Now, most people know better and that seems outrageous, but plenty of Americans are talking the same way about Muslims. Either way, it is wrong. In a decade or two, our children's children will hold their heads in shame about those comments.

 

[dullboy]

I didn't make the analogy. bluepeter did. It isn't the priests to terrorist analogy that I am trying to make. The point is that generalizing by letting a few bad seeds represent the entire religion would be wrong in both cases.

Also, being that one of the significant reasons that our forefathers came to America was to escape religious persecution, it seems sad that we would rationalize people here saying we should go to war, not with a country, but with all people of that religion. From a practical stanpoint, can you imagine the outcry from the rest of the world if we actually were so imprudent that we actually made that an objective in our foreign policy.

This argument is the same that I used to hear from racist all the time growing up -- "All blacks are N*ggers. You see on the news every night that one has killed someone. We should lynch them all." Now, most people know better and that seems outrageous, but plenty of Americans are talking the same way about Muslims. Either way, it is wrong. In a decade or two, our children's children will hold their heads in shame about those comments.

dullboy never claimed that all muslims are terrorists. dullboy never claimed that most muslims are terrorists. dullboy never claimed that any significant amount of muslims are terrorists.

what dullboy did claim is that the vast majority of muslims remain silent about their muslim brothers and sisters committing acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.

finding one or two examples of random muslims condemning these acts of slaughtering innocents hardly qualifies as general muslim criticism of these acts.


the fact of the matter is most muslims quietly support the destruction of israel by any means... that is a fact that is supported and cannot be argued against.

 

[heatherrae]

dullboy never claimed that all muslims are terrorists. dullboy never claimed that most muslims are terrorists. dullboy never claimed that any significant amount of muslims are terrorists.

what dullboy did claim is that the vast majority of muslims remain silent about their muslim brothers and sisters committing acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.

finding one or two examples of random muslims condemning these acts of slaughtering innocents hardly qualifies as general muslim criticism of these acts.


the fact of the matter is most muslims quietly support the destruction of israel by any means... that is a fact that is supported and cannot be argued against.

I wan't speaking of dullboy (shit now you have me doing it) in particular. I was speaking as to the content of the entire thread and other threads floating around, as late.

I have heard many Muslims on TV begging for us not to generalize the sentiments of terrorists to all Muslims. I think it just gets little TV coverage, because it isn't as sensational to see intelligent, rationale Muslims speak as it is to see the mugshot of some terrorist at large.

 

[bluepeter]

dullboy never claimed that all muslims are terrorists. dullboy never claimed that most muslims are terrorists. dullboy never claimed that any significant amount of muslims are terrorists.

what dullboy did claim is that the vast majority of muslims remain silent about their muslim brothers and sisters committing acts of terrorism in the name of their religion.

finding one or two examples of random muslims condemning these acts of slaughtering innocents hardly qualifies as general muslim criticism of these acts.


the fact of the matter is most muslims quietly support the destruction of israel by any means... that is a fact that is supported and cannot be argued against.

bluepeter says that dullboy is being deliberately obtuse by ignoring bluepeter's repeated requests to read the article bluepeter posted which destroys the claim that muslims quietly support terrorism. bluepeter says it's amusing how all the people clamouring the loudest about muslim terrorists refuse to educate themselves on the topic.

 

[Gambino]

bluepeter says that dullboy is being deliberately obtuse by ignoring bluepeter's repeated requests to read the article bluepeter posted which destroys the claim that muslims quietly support terrorism. bluepeter says it's amusing how all the people clamouring the loudest about muslim terrorists refuse to educate themselves on the topic.

lol
come on now, quit with this bs
one measly article doesn't prove anything, fuck even the muslims i knew in michigan disliked israel.
when the shit starts to fly whose side are you gonna chose? the time is near bor

 

[Phenom78]

lol
come on now, quit with this bs
one measly article doesn't prove anything, fuck even the muslims i knew in michigan disliked israel.
when the shit starts to fly whose side are you gonna chose? the time is near bor

I knew this Canadian that didn't like women.

If I were a liberal I'd extrapolate that all Canadian men are fags.

 

[bignate73]

i'm amazed. Since a great number of Muslims don't speak out against terrorists using Islam as their excuse...it immediately means that the silent agree with it.

Ok, so with that reasoning: Does the entire Christian community have the same obligation to speak out against the lady desecrating military funerals with insulting demonstrations? or the mass suicides planned by pseudo-spinoff christians? Christians don't have to answer for these people because we all understand that these people are following their own crazy interpretation of Christianity. The general population here has a pretty decent education on Christianity and thus....its just dismissed.

Now with Islam, we're talking a world religion that, in some cases, has bigger fish to fry than answering for their perceived "fellow" muslim's crimes, especially in the areas that we are involved in. They have to worry about electricty, safety, food, etc. I've heard Muslims here in the U.S. that will tell you exactly that their religion does not condone these actions. This Jihad is a misinterpretation and excuse to wage war.
Just because they aren't running a huge campaign, its to assume that they are silent consenters?

 

[Y_lifter]

Let it be known..

I personally don't agree with Timothy McVeigh' motives or beliefs..


thank you

 

[bluepeter]

lol
come on now, quit with this bs
one measly article doesn't prove anything, fuck even the muslims i knew in michigan disliked israel.
when the shit starts to fly whose side are you gonna chose? the time is near bor

It isn't one measly article but then you wouldn't know that because you refuse to read it. It is links to statements from the highest ranking and most respected ayatollahs, imams etc. throughout the Middle East and pretty much every Islamic nation in the world condemning terrorism in general and Bin Laden specifically. Tons of them.

As to muslims and jews, everyone knows many of them hate each other. That's not what is being insinuated here. The inference is that muslims at large are not standing up and speaking out against the outrageous crimes of terrorism being perpetuated by those purporting to be muslims. That is a crock but nobody apparently wants to admit they are wrong because it's good to keep that us vs. them mentality alive and well.

Beeyatch.

 

[Phenom78]

Blue is the only one alive who hates the US more than Bin Laden

 

[bluepeter]

Blue is the only one alive who hates the US more than Bin Laden

Yeah, that's applicable. Good one. Ass.

 

[dullboy]

i'm amazed. Since a great number of Muslims don't speak out against terrorists using Islam as their excuse...it immediately means that the silent agree with it.

Ok, so with that reasoning: Does the entire Christian community have the same obligation to speak out against the lady desecrating military funerals with insulting demonstrations? or the mass suicides planned by pseudo-spinoff christians? Christians don't have to answer for these people because we all understand that these people are following their own crazy interpretation of Christianity. The general population here has a pretty decent education on Christianity and thus....its just dismissed.

Now with Islam, we're talking a world religion that, in some cases, has bigger fish to fry than answering for their perceived "fellow" muslim's crimes, especially in the areas that we are involved in. They have to worry about electricty, safety, food, etc. I've heard Muslims here in the U.S. that will tell you exactly that their religion does not condone these actions. This Jihad is a misinterpretation and excuse to wage war.
Just because they aren't running a huge campaign, its to assume that they are silent consenters?

rather than engage in hyperbolic rhetorical exchanges with dullboy, why don't we send an email to the repective Presidents of Iran and Syria, where the official policy of each respective nation is the destruction of Israel in the name of Islam?

they couldn't be anymore clear about their intentions.

 

[dullboy]

It isn't one measly article but then you wouldn't know that because you refuse to read it. It is links to statements from the highest ranking and most respected ayatollahs, imams etc. throughout the Middle East and pretty much every Islamic nation in the world condemning terrorism in general and Bin Laden specifically. Tons of them.

As to muslims and jews, everyone knows many of them hate each other. That's not what is being insinuated here. The inference is that muslims at large are not standing up and speaking out against the outrageous crimes of terrorism being perpetuated by those purporting to be muslims. That is a crock but nobody apparently wants to admit they are wrong because it's good to keep that us vs. them mentality alive and well.

Beeyatch.

dullboy isn't insinuating anything. the simple fact is that most muslim leaders aren't "standing up and speaking out" against terrorist acts committed in their names.

 

[bluepeter]

dullboy isn't insinuating anything. the simple fact is that most muslim leaders aren't "standing up and speaking out" against terrorist acts committed in their names.

I beg to differ. Read the article.

 

[RottenWillow]

we all need to extricate political beliefs from religious ones. The Koran doesnt say to wage hot war on non-Muslims. The Bible doesnt tell christians to kill Prostestants in Ireland and it didnt tell them to wage a series of wars on the holyland during the middle ages.

People in power use religion as a means to inflame their followers because it works.

This isnt happening because they're Muslim, it's happening because they are assholes.

 

[Razorguns]

Anyone want to speculate WHY the majority of terrorists in the world in 2006 are muslim? Coincidence? I think not.

Why is it our damn job to stop muslim terrorists? I'm not a muslim. It's their name being dragged through the mud, so they should stop their own in their own country - which is too busy oppressing non-muslims and preaching hardline islam.

There is no democratic freedom-oriented islam country in this world. Keep that blinder on your eyes kids.

 

[RottenWillow]

There is no democratic freedom-oriented islam country in this world. Keep that blinder on your eyes kids.

I dont know if it's a republic like the US, but Morroco is very American friendly. There's been some really large anti-Al Qaida marches there too.

 

[HiDnGoD]

we all need to extricate political beliefs from religious ones. The Koran doesnt say to wage hot war on non-Muslims. The Bible doesnt tell christians to kill Prostestants in Ireland and it didnt tell them to wage a series of wars on the holyland during the middle ages.

People in power use religion as a means to inflame their followers because it works.

This isnt happening because they're Muslim, it's happening because they are assholes.

's true.

 

[Razorguns]

I dont know if it's a republic like the US, but Morroco is very American friendly. There's been some really large anti-Al Qaida marches there too.

"SAFETY AND SECURITY A series of terrorist bombings took place in Casablanca on May 16, 2003. Although U.S. Government facilities were not the target of the Casablanca attacks (and no Americans were killed or injured), the potential for violence against American interests and citizens remains high in Morocco. Establishments, which are readily identifiable with the United States, are potential targets for attacks. These may include facilities where US citizens and other foreigners congregate, including clubs, restaurants, and places of worship, schools, hotels, movie theaters and other public areas...."

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_975.html

 

[Blue Star]

I'm not sure the smile is appropriately placed alongside the thread. Fundamentalism is on the increase. However, to say that majority of muslims do not condemn it or their silence is an indication of their tacit support is unfounded and false.

Majority of muslims despise these acts commited by so called muslims. Because it goes against everything Islam teaches. They are even more riled by the fact that the action of a small minority reflect the majority. No decent muslim would condone the killing of those who died in a train blast in Mumbai, or London, Madrid and America. You're forgetting muslims died in the atrocious attacks in Mumbai, London and Madrid.

These fanatics want to create discord and division between communities. That is their aim. Alienate hard working decent muslims so that the rest of the community despises them, and they feel as if they are second class citizens. This plays right into the hands of extremists.

 

[bignate73]

Just some minor poking around and I found this. Basically states the stuff we were talking about. Condemning and assuring the people that this crap has to stop in their own country. We don't hear about it back here though.


Found this: Hindu Times

 

[hanselthecaretaker]

I didn't make the analogy. bluepeter did. It isn't the priests to terrorist analogy that I am trying to make. The point is that generalizing by letting a few bad seeds represent the entire religion would be wrong in both cases.

Also, being that one of the significant reasons that our forefathers came to America was to escape religious persecution, it seems sad that we would rationalize people here saying we should go to war, not with a country, but with all people of that religion. From a practical stanpoint, can you imagine the outcry from the rest of the world if we actually were so imprudent that we actually made that an objective in our foreign policy.

This argument is the same that I used to hear from racist all the time growing up -- "All blacks are N*ggers. You see on the news every night that one has killed someone. We should lynch them all." Now, most people know better and that seems outrageous, but plenty of Americans are talking the same way about Muslims. Either way, it is wrong. In a decade or two, our children's children will hold their heads in shame about those comments.

You know it's true, and it's unsettling to know that people you may look up to think like that too. I get emails from people close to my family that basically say we need to kick Mexicans and Muslims out of the country. In light of the immigration issues and 9/11 I can understand the heightened sense of discrimination, but it's also naive. History, politics, people's feelings, etc. are never that simple. There's always more to it, especially when you think you've gotten it all figured out.