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Var makes me sick

dr0832

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Is it normal for var to make one feel like they are goin got puke? I took it on an empty stomach and then ate a half hour later and now I feel like shit. I don;t think I can deal with this is if this is whats gonna happen everytime. Yesterday I took with food and had no problems, but I thought I read it should be taken on an empty stomach for best absorption?
 
dr0832 said:
Is it normal for var to make one feel like they are goin got puke? I took it on an empty stomach and then ate a half hour later and now I feel like shit. I don;t think I can deal with this is if this is whats gonna happen everytime. Yesterday I took with food and had no problems, but I thought I read it should be taken on an empty stomach for best absorption?

The absorption thing with taking with food is different for every drug.. look up the real drug info on anavar and see if they say it CAN NOT be taken with food.. an antibiotic I take.. minocycline.. is not supposed to be taken with food because things bind with it and prevent it from being absorped.. but I'm not sure if it's that way with var.. and aren't you taking liquid var?? I'm taking liquid var ... 30mg/day.. 20mg/am .. 10mg/pm.. and have had no such side effects.. so I'm really not sure.. take it with food if it bothers your stomach without.. and make sure it's really the var messing up your stomach and not something else.. if you take it with food.. and you feel fine.. and you see gains from it.. then just take it with food.. no big deal.. ha ha
 
Var is best taken on an empty stomach with grapefruit juice to increase the absorption.

I'll try to dig up the studies.
 
Well its defintitely the var. And I just got Explosive D and now I feel a tiny bit better but still have an unsetted feeling in my stomach. I guess I will see what happens later today when I take the second dose with food. If I get sick I'll probably have to stop this shit because I have felt extremely shitty for the past 2 and a half hours.
 
kbrkbr said:
Var is best taken on an empty stomach with grapefruit juice to increase the absorption.

I'll try to dig up the studies.

Okay, here's one study. I've got more on my hard drive.

James Maskalyk
Editorial Fellow, CMAJ

Grapefruit juice interacts with a number of medications. This unusual discovery was made serendipitously in 1989 during an experiment designed to test the effect of ethanol on a calcium-channel blocker.1 The observed response was later determined to be due to the grapefruit juice delivery vehicle rather than the alcohol. In the past decade, the list of drug interactions with grapefruit juice has expanded to include several classes of medication, precipitating a recent advisory from Health Canada.2

The interaction: As little as 250 mL of grapefruit juice can change the metabolism of some drugs.3 This drug–food interaction occurs because of a common pathway involving a specific isoform of cytochrome P450 — CYP3A4 — present in both the liver and the intestinal wall. Studies suggest that grapefruit juice exerts its effect primarily at the level of the intestine.4

After ingestion, a substrate contained in the grapefruit binds to the intestinal isoenzyme, impairing first-pass metabolism directly and causing a sustained decrease in CYP3A4 protein expression.5 Within 4 hours of ingestion, a reduction in the effective CYP3A4 concentration occurs, with effects lasting up to 24 hours.6 The net result is inhibition of drug metabolism in the intestine and increased oral bioavailability. Because of the prolonged response, separating the intake of the drug and the juice does not prevent interference.

Individuals express CYP3A4 in different proportions, those with the highest intestinal concentration being most susceptible to grapefruit juice–drug interactions.5 An effect is seen with the whole fruit as well as its juice, so caution should be exercised with both.7 The precise chemical compound in grapefruit that causes the interaction has not been identified. There is no similar reaction with orange juice, although there is some suspicion that "sour oranges" such as the Seville variety, may have some effect.8 A recent study, however, that tested the known interference of grapefruit juice with cyclosporine showed no similar effect with Seville oranges.9

There is some interest in the potential therapeutic benefit of adding grapefruit juice to a drug regimen to increase oral bioavailability.3 The limitation is the individual variation in patient response. However, if the chemical that causes grapefruit's CYP3A4 inhibition is elucidated, there may be an opportunity to modulate that pathway in a controlled fashion.

What to do: Much of the data obtained on grapefruit juice–drug interactions involved measuring serum drug concentrations in small numbers of healthy volunteers. Because of the limited data and only occasional case reports,10 it is difficult to quantify the clinical significance for individual patients. One may assume that the interaction occurs primarily with oral medicines, and only with those that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, with the consequence being increased oral bioavailability, higher serum drug concentrations and associated adverse effects.

Physicians should review medication lists often, with the goal of warning patients about adverse interactions. A list of medicines with which patients should not consume grapefruit is provided in Table 1.3,11,12 In the case of several medications that share the CYP3A4 metabolism pathway, but for which a clinical effect has not been elucidated or is theoretical, patients should be advised to consume grapefruit cautiously and be monitored for toxicity.
 
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