The old boxing v MMA debate

[jd_uk]

As I stated before, when the boxers wanna take their padded gloves off and stop hugging for 12 rounds and we get someone like Tyson in his prime back, MAYBE people will start caring again.

As awesome as Tyson was, I'd rather watch Pacquiao fight at the moment.

Re the hugging, everyone says the same about MMA. Bob Arum likened it to 'a bunch of homosexuals rolling around on the floor' which is going a bit far and obviously meant to wind people up but that is what a lot of casual fans see. The stand up aspect is always the most exciting part for the average fan.

Re the padded gloves: Those padded gloves were brought in to protect boxers fists from damage. It has the effect that the punches are even harder than they would be anyway and is also the reason why (unfortunately) boxing is more dangerous than MMA. To call them 'fairies' or whatever just shows your ignorance.

 

[twenty47]

i never compared ali tyson to mma fighters. brush up on your reading comprehension. I said those 4 are the only big names left that people know. did i say the mma names were bigger then them?

I didnt know you didnt live in america. obviously i cant tell you how it is over there. but in america boxing is a dead sport.

and here mma fighters make more then boxers. ON AVERAGE.

I have 3 friends that grew up on the south side of chicago. they all grew up boxing. city wide golden glove champs. one nationally ranked in someway i dont know the details. they will tell you boxing is going nowhere. Idk if you have ever heard of the mcgarry (sp) brothers (irish) but one of them coached Ali at some point i saw the pictures in the gym an at his bar he owns. Even both of them openely say MMA is taking over and they hate it.

think what you want about your side of the pond but over here mma is in and boxing is out.


EDIT: are you saying in your last post that boxing gloves cause more damage then mma gloves?

 

[redsamurai]

Haven't had a chance to read any other replies yet so may reply later but had to laugh at this. Pacquaio is perhaps the fighter ith the best warrior mentality that boxing has had for many years. Did anyone see the Carl Froch v Kessler fight the over night? Tell me that was boring.

c'mon you named one dude. One fucking dude. ANd I'll spot you him anyday. However, pac is annoying the shit out of me right now cause he's playin games with mayweather just as much as mayweather is clowning around. Is he really a warrior then? If he was he'd just say let's do it, I will knock your ass through the ropes and piss on you while you're snoring in the lap of one of the judges. And these two guys are the top of the boxing game, the very fucking top.

 

[jd_uk]

i never compared ali tyson to mma fighters. brush up on your reading comprehension. I said those 4 are the only big names left that people know. did i say the mma names were bigger then them?

I didnt know you didnt live in america. obviously i cant tell you how it is over there. but in america boxing is a dead sport.

and here mma fighters make more then boxers. ON AVERAGE.

I have 3 friends that grew up on the south side of chicago. they all grew up boxing. city wide golden glove champs. one nationally ranked in someway i dont know the details. they will tell you boxing is going nowhere. Idk if you have ever heard of the mcgarry (sp) brothers (irish) but one of them coached Ali at some point i saw the pictures in the gym an at his bar he owns. Even both of them openely say MMA is taking over and they hate it.

think what you want about your side of the pond but over here mma is in and boxing is out.


EDIT: are you saying in your last post that boxing gloves cause more damage then mma gloves?

Hang on, You did say that "in boxing there are superstars left". Now of course you aint going to have 20 superstars in any sport, but there are other very exciting fighters. What you do have though are two guys in boxing who are CLEARLY bigger superstars than any in MMA. Mayweather's money is typically generated in the USA. I know many, many boxing fans in the USA who would say the opposite to what you are saying so as your post doesn't add up I have a hard time believing it.

 

[redsamurai]

LOL at this too. How can someone who BLATANTLY doesn't watch much boxing argue about the lack of talent coming through? I could be here all night boring you with names you don't know about.

then name them and tell me when I can watch them fight. If they were so bad ass they'd be gettin pushed. Maybe it is a marketing thing and there really are some badasses in waiting. But if that's the case it just furthers the argument that the current management structure in boxing is corrupt and they're keepign the top fighters pampered and preened by handpicking opponents.

 

[jd_uk]

c'mon you named one dude. One fucking dude. ANd I'll spot you him anyday. However, pac is annoying the shit out of me right now cause he's playin games with mayweather just as much as mayweather is clowning around. Is he really a warrior then? If he was he'd just say let's do it, I will knock your ass through the ropes and piss on you while you're snoring in the lap of one of the judges. And these two guys are the top of the boxing game, the very fucking top.

Come on, have you seen him fight? Anyone who says he is not a warrior in the ring is delusional or very, very biased. When he trains the coaches have to make him stop - that is his mentality.

There is a lot of politics in boxing (it isn't just one company - there is bound to be), but there is SO MUCH money in that fight then it will be sorted at some point I think. A lot of people believe that the delay is some very clever promotional work and if you follow boxing then you'll see it is Bob Arum slowing this fight from happening. He just doesn't like Pacquaio being dictated to before the fight. It's a psychological thing.

 

[AztecWarrior]

As awesome as Tyson was, I'd rather watch Pacquiao fight at the moment.

Re the hugging, everyone says the same about MMA. Bob Arum likened it to 'a bunch of homosexuals rolling around on the floor' which is going a bit far and obviously meant to wind people up but that is what a lot of casual fans see. The stand up aspect is always the most exciting part for the average fan.

Re the padded gloves: Those padded gloves were brought in to protect boxers fists from damage. It has the effect that the punches are even harder than they would be anyway and is also the reason why (unfortunately) boxing is more dangerous than MMA. To call them 'fairies' or whatever just shows your ignorance.

The fact that boxers need more protection for their hands is because of the long periods of damage they take on the daily and their punches are thrown the hardest at there pure level. It's what they do. People break there hands now, without gloves the percent would sky rocket with hand injuries, not to mention brain distoration and number of deaths. Constant punishment is being put on one of the most sensitive part of the human body the brain. It's pointless to even argue with anti-boxing fanatics. WIll have to agree to disagree.

 

[redsamurai]

First, MMA is in it's infancy so to say that there will "NEVER" be an athlete in MMA who will attain the level of ali or tyson is unfounded. Only time will tell that.

Two, there are foreign MMA fighters who in the rest of the world are starting to get to the level of attention that ali and tyson got. We don't hear much about it in the states because the marketing machine here doesn't care too much for foreign athletes unless they sign on the dotted line with an american enterprise. Fedor from what I understand is pretty fucking big in europe and japan. Shit, Bob Sapp attained tyson status in Japan and he didn't do barely anything in the world of MMA.

third, do you really think the average dude walking around europe or asia knows who mayweather and pac are? "maybe" paq cause he's phillipine. I doubt the average dude walking around in south america who isn't a dedicated boxing fan knows too much about those dudes.

Sorry but this post just doesn't add up.

First things first: MMA has never and had and probably will never have a name that can compare with the popularity of an Ali and Tyson. Those names are known on a global scale in fact you must have been living on a different planet if you haven't heard of them. Kids in remote villages somewhere know who those guys are.

Now I can pretty much guarantee that in the UK (where MMA has some popularity), the average person on the street has no idea who any of those MMA names that you just mentioned are. MMA fans obviously will have and the more casual fans have probably heard or Lidell, Ortiz, Lesnar (due to WWE) and maybe one or two others.

Now onto the boxers. I mentioned Froch as a response to the comments that there are no warriors/exciting fights and that happened just over a week ago so it is fresh in my mind. Froch has not been well promoted so he doesn't get much attention despite being a good fighter. He kinda lives in the shadow of Calzaghe here. Then we have David Haye - I washed his most recent fight against a washed up Ruiz in the casino a month or so ago and have never seen the place so packed out. David Haye is a HUGE puncher and a very exciting fighter to watch. Far more popular already over here than any MMA fighter. Then we have Amir Khan who is also well promoted and very exciting to watch due to his speed, power and also his slightly weak chin.

What I'm saying is not to be fooled into thinking that these American MMA fighters are that popular on a global scale. You say the average person on the street would only be able to mention Ali, Tyson, Mayweather and Pac but certianly over here that is at least 3, probably 4 more than MMA. Maybe it's different in the US but until an MMA fighter earns even 1/10 of what Mayweather and Pacquiao earn then I'm struggling.

Don't get me wrong, I still like SOME MMA and it has been marketed VERY WELL to its target audience but my posts are a response to idiots like Joe Rogan who claim 'boxing is dead' despite all the facts. It's like having short man syndrome.

 

[AztecWarrior]

Journal of Combative Sport: Boxing Fatalities Data, SvinthJack Broughton

And it isn't even updated.

 

[redsamurai]

as awesome as Tyson was, I'd rather watch Pacquiao fight at the moment.

really? you'd rather watch a 140 pound phillipino dude fight than a snarling, drooling animal who punched the soul out of people? Sorry, I respect Paq...he's a beast for his size. But to say his fights are even near as entertaining as Tysons is just ridiculous and you're now trying to scramble for reasons why boxing is still relevant. People in my gym stopped their workouts and watched the tv screen when ESPN was showing tysons greatest. That would not happen if Paq was up there.

Re the padded gloves: Those padded gloves were brought in to protect boxers fists from damage. It has the effect that the punches are even harder than they would be anyway and is also the reason why (unfortunately) boxing is more dangerous than MMA. To call them 'fairies' or whatever just shows your ignorance

the punches increase the chance of a knockout by increasing the chance of connecting with "the button". But you know full well that you can knock someone out with a little jab if you hit the spot just right. Actual damage though is greatly decreased with the bigger gloves. Fights would probably not go 12 rounds with the smaller gloves, and that would be fine with me. If somebody hasn't been rocked after 5-6 rounds I'm startin to lose interest. And taht goes for MMA as well.