PROOF? You Decide.

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, you were originally stating that one can maintain normal endogenous testosterone production while on a weekly Testosterone dosage of 100mgs, and you simply can NOT.

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WRONG AGAIN ROSS. I NEVER SAID THAT.


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It is obvious that you misinterpreted or simply misunderstood the bloodwork, but the testosterone level that was measured was NOT your natural production, it was exogenous testosterone.

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CONSESCENTION DOES NOT FUEL YOUR ARGUMENT. I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT DUDE. I'VE BEEN IN THIS ARENA A LONG TIME.


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The reason you measured at 900ng/dl is because you are ON 100mgs of TESTOSTERONE.
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YOU DON'T GET IT. IF 100 MGS PUT ME AT 900NGS THAT MEAN 1000MGS WOULD PUT ME AT 9000NGS?!? NO DUDE. YOU'RE OFF ON THIS ONE.

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[leonidas33]

I got big balls, She's got big balls, but nelsons got the biggest balls of them all!!!

"she"????

 

[needtogetaas]

"she"????

Ya tats in this thread right. I know she has no balls but I wanted to get her in on it some how.

 

[get456]

Yes, 100mgs every week will put you exactly around 900NG/DL

Come completely OFF, you will be down to the 100's.

ok that is not even close to true...

In fact there was a specific thread I believe in the HRT forum, where the guy had to take I believe 300mg/wk to get into an acceptable range....

it IS different from person to person, you cannot possibly generalize like that

 

[Nelson Montana]

ok that is not even close to true...

In fact there was a specific thread I believe in the HRT forum, where the guy had to take I believe 300mg/wk to get into an acceptable range....

it IS different from person to person, you cannot possibly generalize like that

Great point and one which I should have addressed.

Everyone always talks about how a young mans T is high enough to grow without steroids. But if 100mgs raises T to 900ngs. That would mean all you need is 200 mgs a week and you'll higher than most any human on earth. Nope, doesn't work that way.

 

[79steeler]

Anyone have any popcorn!

 

[centy]

^^Here you go



Good thread guys.

 

[Ross]

Great point and one which I should have addressed.

Everyone always talks about how a young mans T is high enough to grow without steroids. But if 100mgs raises T to 900ngs. That would mean all you need is 200 mgs a week and you'll higher than most any human on earth. Nope, doesn't work that way.

No Nelson, it is a CURVE.

Even so, 100mgs of exogenous Testosterone will put most individuals in the 600-900ng/dl range, and 200mgs will put most individuals in the 1500-2,000 range.

 

[alphatest]

Great point and one which I should have addressed.

Everyone always talks about how a young mans T is high enough to grow without steroids. But if 100mgs raises T to 900ngs. That would mean all you need is 200 mgs a week and you'll higher than most any human on earth. Nope, doesn't work that way.

I really don't want to be banned, I enjoy reading posts on this board. But this is totally incorrect. 200mgs is generally a supra physiological dose of T. Many hormone replacement regimens use 100mg of Test E every week or 200mg every two weeks. This amount of test is sufficient to raise blood levels as high as 1200ng/dL. I don't get what your trying to argue, 100mg can easily put you at 900ng/dL. If your so certain it can't, provide some evidence otherwise.

Ref: Pharmacokinetics, Efficacy, and Safety of a Permeation-Enhanced Testosterone Transdermal System in Comparison with Bi-Weekly Injections of Testosterone Enanthate for the Treatment of Hypogonadal Men (Look at the graph)

To tell people

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Great thread. Although, I gotta add, Nelson has a lot of ideas that may seem off to some, but if you give them a try or look at it a different way, you'll see where he is coming from.

After reading his first ebook many years ago, I started taking a lot of the old time supps, Rheo Blair style. I still use those methods today to build my body further and further.

I will say this much, when Nelson competed, he looked better than most on this board, and def. better than a lot in this thread. No offense to anyone but for all the high dosages I see around the boards, I don't see it in the pics.