ZMA keeps me up all night

[heavy_duty]

what the hell does Biotest put in their "ZMA"?
I take 1 and can't sleep (bottle said take 3)

 

[truckdaddy]

should help you sleep.

 

[redsamurai]

did you take calcium before you took the ZMA?

 

[Nelson Montana]

It's the B6 that keeps you awake -- pretty dumb to be in a product that's supposed to help you sleep, even if it's just the magnesium that relaxes you. Then again, Victor Conte is pretty dumb. And as for Biotest...I'd rather not say.

 

[blut wump]

You should be taking all 3. Even then, it can take two or three nights before it 'kicks in'.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

MyoGenX is a better sleep aid than ZMA. ZMA is garbage, and a total scam, imho.

Didn't anyone notice that all the athletes who promoted (Conte's) ZMA as the secret to their success later got caught using steroids (Balco ring a bell)?

 

[rdel85]

Getting the ON ZMA, take 3 an hour before bed. I slept like a baby while on it, and had some wild dreams. Don't count on it raising your testosterone any noticiable amount though

 

[daveyboy2345]

id say go with a generic store brand cal/mag/zinc supplement than that overpriced hyped up shit. spend the rest of the money that you save on something else like b-complex, vit.c, vit. E, whey protein, meat, eggs, milk. Necessities imho.

 

[danny_N]

i take ON also when i use zma,30'-45' before bed and no calcium around that time,very deep sleep,weird dreams and difficult to get up in the morning.. but zma works.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i take ON also when i use zma,30'-45' before bed and no calcium around that time,very deep sleep,weird dreams and difficult to get up in the morning.. but zma works.

That bit about not using calcium comes from the very first interview from Victor Conte -- conducted by me back in 1999. It was nonsense then and it's nonsense now.

Also, vivid dreams are the result of disrupted sleep. When you're in a deep sleep you don't remember dreams.

Sorry. But I find it disturbing that this scammer became rich selling a myth that is still espoused.

 

[krbn08]

Before bed i'll take 40g. casein protein, ZMA, 1 T. of peanut butter, cup of cottage cheese, and one slice of bread.

I thought i should input since everyone else was sharing what they do before bed

 

[blut wump]

Note that calcium inhibits zinc absorption and that ZMA is recommended to be taken on an empty stomach.

I like to give myself at least three hours from my previous meal to take the ZMA, usually timing is such that it's near to my bedtime. I then leave a further 30 minutes before any bedtime snacks, drinks or shakes.

 

[heavy_duty]

no and I don't drink milk so I'm prolly calcium deficient.

did you take calcium before you took the ZMA?

 

[heavy_duty]

B6? ok thanks.

lets talk products not personalities.

It's the B6 that keeps you awake -- pretty dumb to be in a product that's supposed to help you sleep, even if it's just the magnesium that relaxes you. Then again, Victor Conte is pretty dumb. And as for Biotest...I'd rather not say.

 

[heavy_duty]

Thanks I'll consider it.
money is not an issue for me.

id say go with a generic store brand cal/mag/zinc supplement than that overpriced hyped up shit. spend the rest of the money that you save on something else like b-complex, vit.c, vit. E, whey protein, meat, eggs, milk. Necessities imho.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

B6? ok thanks.

lets talk products not personalities.

Let's talk about bow b6 lowers androgen gene transcription levels then.

I pointed this out on steroid.com awhile ago, then here...and eventually that little fact eventually even made it over to the now-banned-former-sponsors' board, I'm told....

Most good ideas will eventually filter to the lesser boards like that, I think.

 

[Nelson Montana]

B6? ok thanks.

lets talk products not personalities.

Let's get the facts straight. When someone is a scammer it's important that others know. That, in part, is what this board is about. I'm speaking from first hand experence bro.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Note that calcium inhibits zinc absorption and that ZMA is recommended to be taken on an empty stomach.

I like to give myself at least three hours from my previous meal to take the ZMA, usually timing is such that it's near to my bedtime. I then leave a further 30 minutes before any bedtime snacks, drinks or shakes.

Yeah, yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this one and did so to Conte's face. That's when he became very indignant that I would question his expertise as the husband of a health food store owner. (His sole credential).

Nutrients conflict all the time and they're all are present at all times. It's virtually impossible to have just one or the other or a negating of one in the presense of another. If that were the case there'd be deficiencies all over the place. Not the case.

I know this is the standard thinking that's been promulgated over and over but it's horseshit. ZMA is nothing people haven't been getting in a multi for half a century. It's a complete and total scam and any percieved benefits or effects are stickly placebo.

 

[blut wump]

I'm not sure what point you're making.

The stuff helps me sleep and, aside from that, it gives me some minerals that people in our lifestyle shouild be taking, anyway.

Note that some nutrients are best absorbed further down the digestive tract and so an empty stomach is much prefered lest the nutrients be mostly wasted.

Anyway, I'm confused by your post. I'm not sure whether you're calling me a liar and suggesting that isn't my routine or calling me a fool for following it. I do not believe the sleep aspect is placebo and I'm well aware of the efficacy of placebo.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm not sure what point you're making.

The stuff helps me sleep
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Outside of a very, very slight mellowing effect of magnesium it's unlikely ZMA would have any effect at all. Are you saying you had insomnia and ZMA cured it?

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and, aside from that, it gives me some minerals that people in our lifestyle shouild be taking, anyway.

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You can say that about any nutrient. If I made product with Vitamin C an phosphous would you buy it because you need those nutrients? Why should you when it's available in so many other forms, including MRP's. DX7 has more zinc than you can possibly use in a day.
Extra magnesium cost about 4 dollars a bottle. There's absolutely no need for ZMA. None.

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Note that some nutrients are best absorbed further down the digestive tract and so an empty stomach is much prefered lest the nutrients be mostly wasted.

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Baloney. Not calling you a liar, just misinformed -- and not through ignorence, you're only saying what you've been told by so called experts. It's nonsense.


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Anyway, I'm confused by your post. I'm not sure whether you're calling me a liar and suggesting that isn't my routine or calling me a fool for following it.


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Not at all. It's just that some times there's no way of knowing if you're getting what you think you're getting. ZMA is a lie.



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I do not believe the sleep aspect is placebo and I'm well aware of the efficacy of placebo.

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Impossible to tell. I'd love to see some tests on animals where the "suggestion" isn't a factor. Tell me, what is it that you think is in ZMA that accomplishes this? I'm not trying to make you look bad. I'm trying to help. Of course, no one likes to think they've been conned. But you have -- and so have thousands of others. And I feel somewhat responsible so I make a point to set the record staright. My involvement with this is even mentioned in the book 'Game OF Shadows" which addresses the BALCO scandal.

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[blut wump]

On the aspect of the sleep and dreams, the difference is profound after a couple or three days. I also didn't start taking it with foreknowledge of the phenomenon and I know of two others who used ZMA and didn't have prior knowledge of the sleep aspects. If that contradicts your theories then I can only suggest a re-examination of them. The benefit to me is sufficient that if the effect is placebo then I don't object to being duped.

Regarding differential nutrient absorption along the digestive tract. I discussed this with an active research professor of food science a few years ago. Admittedly, her work was more concerned with animals than humans but she was adamant that it is so. Many animal feeds are designed specifically to survive to later in the digestive tract to minimize feed waste. To farmers, less money spent feeding an animal improves the bottom line.

 

[heavy_duty]

this crap totally kept me tossing and turning all night long

and I even gave it a second try a month later.