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asianlover
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eddymerckx said:
this is really the worst thig about prohormones. i am suprised that people are still using the stuff.
your thoughts on this pro hormone...k to all.
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this is really the worst thig about prohormones. i am suprised that people are still using the stuff.
iceman7230
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Try Tren Extreme it will cut fat and get you pretty strong!
Carlito B said:
how do you know it is not the product seller using alters to report these gains? also, how do you know it is not some ingredient, that may or may not be listed, causing water retention?
you may ask the same thing about those that advertise on this board--but this board allows both positive and negative feedback and the sheer number and diversity of bros that report on the products makes minipulation by the board or the product seller very very very unlikely.
hooligan2004
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dont touch it man too much stuff has to convert your liver is gonna give up on you man dont fuck with it like that
slamminshaun
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Ok, before I ask this take note of my post count....(cringes).....
Here we go....what's different about the product this guy asked about and products such as Nelson's Unleashed, PP's Phyto-Test, etc? Are Unleashed and Phyto-Test not considered pro-hormone? If not, what would you classify them as?
Here we go....what's different about the product this guy asked about and products such as Nelson's Unleashed, PP's Phyto-Test, etc? Are Unleashed and Phyto-Test not considered pro-hormone? If not, what would you classify them as?
slamminshaun said:
no, i think it is a legit question, i can't answer for PP or Nelson, but from what i understand, a prohormone is just a precursor a hormone and some small part converts to whatever hormone is pretends to be. the problem is they often add a 17a methyl group to the molecule to survive the "first pass" through the liver (like any oral --but you take a much higher net dose if 17a than the real stuff and only a very small amount actually converts to the real steroid/hormone).
in the case of Unleashed, it has an effect on its own and does not depend on conversion to something else to work--i think it's from nettle leaves(???)--which has a few thousand years of medicinal use and does not have a 17a methyl group. I don't know anything about the new PP product but their stuff is transdermal and gets in the blood before being metabolized so it does not need the 17a to survive the "first pass".
slamminshaun said:
UNLEASHED is NOT a pro-hormone. It is 100% chemical free, not dependent on any conversion at all and does not add any hormonal influx. It is a combination of herbs which lower SHB G which in turn allows more of your natural testosterone to be unbound resulting in higher Free Testosterone and it's the "Free" testosterone that counts.
Yes, herbs have been used for centuries with great success, many medications are based on the active ingredients in herbs and they can not be regulated by the FDA, which makes them a very viable and potent adjunct to increased hormonal enhancement and overall health. Pro-Hormones are chemical that have been manipulated by amateur chemists in an effort to produce drug-like effects. They are not regulated or tested , nor is there any history other than the last 15 years -- ALL of which has been extremely negitive.
It's always the same story. People rave. Then the reports come in -- gyno, loss of libido, edema, lost gains, liver damage, kidney damage.
What more evidence do you need?
chazk
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Patrick arnold came onto the scene with andro back in 1996 (will get to that later)
lets talk about his accomplishments
The three steroids ( could be more that we do not know of ) that patrick arnold recreated from the old 1960's medical research studies
were all real steroids and still are steroids.
The first is (THG) a modified version of gestrinone ( similar to trenbolone ) to make it undedectable in drug testing
(later the fda and feds tested a syringe full of THG and identified it as a modified steroid)
second (norbethone)was a steroid invented back in the mid 60's that was similar to anavar
third ( madol ) a steroid invented back in the mid 60's a mild steroid close to turnibol.
so the guy knows exactly what he was doing and how to create steroids
The first set of pro hormones were ranging from mild to pretty strong stuff
(4-AD, 19-Nor, 1-AD, 1,4-AD, 5-AA, 1-T, and M1T).
all had anabolic and androgenic properties in the body and were fairly safe
The new pro hormone are not really even pro hormones some are infact "desighner steroids" they are taking a actual steroid and modding it slightly so they can sell it has a food supplments being that" no ban for this new steroid aka food supplments exist yet"
Some new ones include Superdrol ,Phera-Plex,Halodrol 50
superdol is " close to masteron" on paper it looks almost the same except they put it through the methylation process making it not "quite" the same as masteron but a new "supplement" not on any banned list (get whats going on here yet?)
halodrol 50 uses some long chemical name to hide the steroid inside
"oral turnibol"
an exact copy with some usless things attached to the structure that do not hinder its effectiveness but help hide whats inside the product
so if the fda says hey, its a steroid the company can say no it's not oral turnabol its a "different compound see look here and here it's structurally different"
I think even the orginal version of hadrol50 has been pulled off the shelves
pher plex no one knows exactly whats in that bottle they have covered the steroids name with all kinds of extra stuff added to it.
it is supposed the " most potent" leaves me to believe it is prob the most toxic as well.
Thats the problem with the news pro hormones they are methylized making them very toxic,no lab studied have been done on a methylated masteron and we all have read the studies on turnibol.They show that its very liver toxic.
I really can not see how they are even getting away with making all the designer stuff and managing to get it onto the market, it seems crazy.
If your going to use any of the new desighner steroids its a gamble in my opinion and you are actually being someones lab rat.
Now if patrick arnold was making more desighner steroids I would trust him to be honest about the toxic side effects on liver damage and left ventrical hypertrophy.
patrick arnold used real studies from 30 years ago when he researched anrdo and made a supplement out of it, same with all his other desighner steroids
Thats why would infact give ando and the first set of prohormoes he tweaked the benift of the doubt.
This new stuff is just being tweaked and the dangerous part is the meth part to make them even more effective,The old PH steroids were only converted in the body and had a cut off point, this new stuff you can literally poision yourself with.
lets talk about his accomplishments
The three steroids ( could be more that we do not know of ) that patrick arnold recreated from the old 1960's medical research studies
were all real steroids and still are steroids.
The first is (THG) a modified version of gestrinone ( similar to trenbolone ) to make it undedectable in drug testing
(later the fda and feds tested a syringe full of THG and identified it as a modified steroid)
second (norbethone)was a steroid invented back in the mid 60's that was similar to anavar
third ( madol ) a steroid invented back in the mid 60's a mild steroid close to turnibol.
so the guy knows exactly what he was doing and how to create steroids
The first set of pro hormones were ranging from mild to pretty strong stuff
(4-AD, 19-Nor, 1-AD, 1,4-AD, 5-AA, 1-T, and M1T).
all had anabolic and androgenic properties in the body and were fairly safe
The new pro hormone are not really even pro hormones some are infact "desighner steroids" they are taking a actual steroid and modding it slightly so they can sell it has a food supplments being that" no ban for this new steroid aka food supplments exist yet"
Some new ones include Superdrol ,Phera-Plex,Halodrol 50
superdol is " close to masteron" on paper it looks almost the same except they put it through the methylation process making it not "quite" the same as masteron but a new "supplement" not on any banned list (get whats going on here yet?)
halodrol 50 uses some long chemical name to hide the steroid inside
"oral turnibol"
an exact copy with some usless things attached to the structure that do not hinder its effectiveness but help hide whats inside the product
so if the fda says hey, its a steroid the company can say no it's not oral turnabol its a "different compound see look here and here it's structurally different"
I think even the orginal version of hadrol50 has been pulled off the shelves
pher plex no one knows exactly whats in that bottle they have covered the steroids name with all kinds of extra stuff added to it.
it is supposed the " most potent" leaves me to believe it is prob the most toxic as well.
Thats the problem with the news pro hormones they are methylized making them very toxic,no lab studied have been done on a methylated masteron and we all have read the studies on turnibol.They show that its very liver toxic.
I really can not see how they are even getting away with making all the designer stuff and managing to get it onto the market, it seems crazy.
If your going to use any of the new desighner steroids its a gamble in my opinion and you are actually being someones lab rat.
Now if patrick arnold was making more desighner steroids I would trust him to be honest about the toxic side effects on liver damage and left ventrical hypertrophy.
patrick arnold used real studies from 30 years ago when he researched anrdo and made a supplement out of it, same with all his other desighner steroids
Thats why would infact give ando and the first set of prohormoes he tweaked the benift of the doubt.
This new stuff is just being tweaked and the dangerous part is the meth part to make them even more effective,The old PH steroids were only converted in the body and had a cut off point, this new stuff you can literally poision yourself with.
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