Your stance on low test cycles

[musclei]

Guys, I think I'm about to open a controversial topic with this but, what's your opinion on low test and high anabolic cycles?

My first two cycles were high or only test and they came out a failure, my third and current one is low test + high deca and it's coming along much better.

What do you guys think and what is your experience with low test?

BTW, if you're interested my current cycle is 500mg Deca + 300mg Mast + 250mg Test with noticeable gains and zero sexual dysfunction. I'm actually waiting for it to end and write a post about high Deca and the myth (in my case at least) of deca-dick.

 

[dylangemelli]

thats obviously going to be a very controversial topic and your going to get differing opinions all over the board here... i am one that doesn't think test needs to be ran at high doses... i think you can get just as much off of 300-350 as you can in the 500-750 range... it just depends on the user and how their body responds to certain things... everyone responds differently but i like that you are trying it this way and finding what works for YOU... i think thats great and im happy your getting good results... are you running the proper ancillaries with deca??

 

[RADAR]

That Masteron should keep libido issues up, i ran it with Tren and loved it.

 

[Jigga14]

don't know about 'low' test, but any test in a cycle is good IMHO

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Sorry buddy, you missed the point of the thread, as usual.

So many people run way too much test, IMO you don't need alot of test if your running other compounds that you want maximum effects from. I can see this working well with masteron.

 

[Sust 350]

That Masteron should keep libido issues up, i ran it with Tren and loved it.

+1

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[ballslee]

I have been curious about this issue myself.
I originally was under the impression that your body would get used to a certain dosage of test, and if you began using exogenous test again that you would not respond to a lower dosage of it. So I gradually raised my dose on cycles.

I have since gained some knowledge that running lower test cycles, with higher ratioed anabolics is a good way to run them and will begin trying this shortly.

I think it is dependent on your ultimate goals though personally, if you are trying to compete bodybuilding then bulking with large amount of test would be optimal.
but if your goals are away from that, then it definitely is something to consider getting away from larger doses. It would be awesome if there were no drawbacks, but there are many obstacles that will hinge upon the dose of your test in a cycle. How your body reacts is key.

 

[musclei]

are you running the proper ancillaries with deca??

Sure I am: 1mg of Caber and 25mg of Arimidex per week divided in two doses.

I think it is dependent on your ultimate goals though personally, if you are trying to compete bodybuilding then bulking with large amount of test would be optimal.

Do you guys think that high test is necessary for bulking? I'm more interested in building solid muscle even at the expense of time but hey, I keep my fingers crossed that one day I might be able to compete as well...

 

[Texas Monster]

I have been curious about this issue myself.
I originally was under the impression that your body would get used to a certain dosage of test, and if you began using exogenous test again that you would not respond to a lower dosage of it. So I gradually raised my dose on cycles.

I have since gained some knowledge that running lower test cycles, with higher ratioed anabolics is a good way to run them and will begin trying this shortly.

I think it is dependent on your ultimate goals though personally, if you are trying to compete bodybuilding then bulking with large amount of test would be optimal.
but if your goals are away from that, then it definitely is something to consider getting away from larger doses. It would be awesome if there were no drawbacks, but there are many obstacles that will hinge upon the dose of your test in a cycle. How your body reacts is key.

No this is not true. I have ran 750 mg of test c in a cycle before then the next cycle I was at 350 mg of prop a week and noticed about the same gains.

I am with dylan on this one that test can only do so much and once you start getting up to the higher dosages then the sides just do not outweigh the benefits anymore.

From now On I will never run test higher than 350 a week and just stack a nice load of anabolics in there with it.

You have to think about the anabolic to androgenic ratios on this one. Test is 100 to 100. But there are a lot of compounds out there that surpass this number with less estrogenic sides etc or aromatization possibilities even.

 

[dylangemelli]

No this is not true. I have ran 750 mg of test c in a cycle before then the next cycle I was at 350 mg of prop a week and noticed about the same gains.

I am with dylan on this one that test can only do so much and once you start getting up to the higher dosages then the sides just do not outweigh the benefits anymore.

From now On I will never run test higher than 350 a week and just stack a nice load of anabolics in there with it.

You have to think about the anabolic to androgenic ratios on this one. Test is 100 to 100. But there are a lot of compounds out there that surpass this number with less estrogenic sides etc or aromatization possibilities even.

I agree... Theres a misconception that more is always better and thats not always the case... Theres a certain sweetspot that once is crossed, there are more negatives than positives... Of course, there will always be exceptions to this but in general, there is not a huge difference between say 350 and 500 mg of test... Like i said, there will always be some exceptions but in general i have found this to be true with test


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[Kbordner]

I always run 300mg test per week and then rotate other anabolics in and out. It's like a hefty TRT dose all the time. Once in a while I will blast a gram of Test E but only at very low BF

 

[TheRippedReverend]

Guys, I think I'm about to open a controversial topic with this but, what's your opinion on low test and high anabolic cycles?

My first two cycles were high or only test and they came out a failure, my third and current one is low test + high deca and it's coming along much better.

What do you guys think and what is your experience with low test?

BTW, if you're interested my current cycle is 500mg Deca + 300mg Mast + 250mg Test with noticeable gains and zero sexual dysfunction. I'm actually waiting for it to end and write a post about high Deca and the myth (in my case at least) of deca-dick.

Bc you need to run proper ancilleries with Deca.

Mast will help block progesterone whoch is why your feeling fine.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I am becoming more and more of the mind that lower test is better. Let the other AAS do their thing. I was never a mega doser anyways. 500-600 was as high as I've gone with long esters. After almost two years off I tried 375 mg wk this year and was more than pleased with results before having to drop to 150 and cruise after some injury issues. The next cycle I think I'm just going to bump to 250mg wk. Then whatever else I run can do its thing. Hell, even now on just 150mg wk cruise and two 100mcg ipamorelin pins a day I am making awsome gains.

 

[ballslee]

I think you misread what I said.
I do believe that high amounts of test can be used properly, without any sides but that is person dependent.
And I was saying that I agree that lower dosages is a completely good idea.

I disagree that there is not a difference in between levels of test. Sure 350 and 500 is Minimally different. But difference between 500 and 1000 is a lot. And plenty of people can use at that level without any sides. But I agree it is not necessary.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I think you misread what I said.
I do believe that high amounts of test can be used properly, without any sides but that is person dependent.
And I was saying that I agree that lower dosages is a completely good idea.

I disagree that there is not a difference in between levels of test. Sure 350 and 500 is Minimally different. But difference between 500 and 1000 is a lot. And plenty of people can use at that level without any sides. But I agree it is not necessary.

I'm very in touch with my body (yep I said that....take it and run with it assholes.....cough....Columbo.....cough...) I can run a dose of test, 250, 300, 375, 500 ect ... and then increase it by 100mg and definatley notice it. Hell, I was running 125mg cruise for two months and it was Meh....ok. I bumped it another 25mg to 150 and it made a huge difference.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some good points here. As for using T in a cycle, if you;re using a high dose anabolic like PRimo, for example, you just need enough androgen to maintain libido, strength, etc. As to what that amount is, may vary -- sometimes with as littel as a 50mg difference as Burnt implied. But once you start getting near a gram, all best are off. Then you;pre just overfloodin gyour system and it really doesn;t matter.