Your short cycles

[natedogg03]

I've read your posts on them a while ago. I believe you liked the 3 week method. What would be typical doses on winny and fina in those cycles? Also how long do you reccomend pct before going again.
Thanks

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've read your posts on them a while ago. I believe you liked the 3 week method. What would be typical doses on winny and fina in those cycles? Also how long do you reccomend pct before going again.
Thanks

The 3 week Steroids For Health plan is an option for guys who want to use low dose steroids as a sort of "supplement" to natural training. It will produce moderate gains that can be maintained with little suppression -- usually. What everyone must realize is, everyone's different. When you mess with your hormones anything can happen.

With the 3 week ycle, you shouldn't need an anti-e unless you're SUPER prone to gyno. Using Post-Cycle supps should be enough but I do believe in waiting for 3 months to fully recover. If you're going to go right back on, you might as well stay on.

I hate fina, and honestly, I'm not an expert on it. I wouldn't recommend its use so I can't make suggestions on how to optimally apply it.




POST-CYCLE from www.proteinfactory.com

It's what you should go on, when you come "off."

 

[MoTopher]

So would you recommend taking Post Cycle for the whole duration of the anabolic cycle ?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Your short cyclesWell, it won' do anything for the prog that fina

So would you recommend taking Post Cycle for the whole duration of the anabolic cycle ?

Well, it won't do anything for the progesterone you'll get from the fina. And the herbal anti-e's aren't necessary since winny does not aromatize. But the 5 liver potectants are a good idea and the cndium and maca in it should help the fina dick.

 

[Juice Authority]

I've read your posts on them a while ago. I believe you liked the 3 week method. What would be typical doses on winny and fina in those cycles? Also how long do you reccomend pct before going again.
Thanks

Nelson stole this idea from Bill Roberts and passed it off as his own. Anyway, short cycles are BS. Gains made quickly dissipate and T-levels are suppressed either way.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson stole this idea from Bill Roberts and passed it off as his own. Anyway, short cycles are BS. Gains made quickly dissipate and T-levels are suppressed either way.

You are a lying sack of shit.

I wrote about the short cycle program in 1997 -- long before Bill Roberts, and that is documented.

Look Juice, you want to start shit, and call me stupid or whatever else you think is in "good fun"...fine. But don't try to discredit me with lies. That's the sign of a weak mind. Be a man.

 

[Juice Authority]

You are a lying sack of shit.

I wrote about the short cycle program in 1997 -- long before Bill Roberts, and that is documented.

Look Juice, you want to start shit, and call me stupid or whatever else you think is in "good fun"...fine. But don't try to discredit me with lies. That's the sign of a weak mind. Be a man.

Lies??????

You plagiarized his entire idea that he wrote about before your book was even published! He should sue you! You accuse Fonz of plagiarism??? This has to be one of the most blatant cases of plagiarism (of a dumb idea I might add) that I've ever seen!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Lies??????

You plagiarized his entire idea that he wrote about before your book was even published! He should sue you! You accuse Fonz of plagiarism??? This has to be one of the most blatant cases of plagiarism (of a dumb idea I might add) that I've ever seen!

Why are you setting the date against my book? My book isn't the first thing I ever had published you fucking moron.

 

[Juice Authority]

Why are you setting the date against my book? My book isn't the first thing I ever had published you fucking moron.

Here's the "proof"!


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/steroid-case-study-01.htm

 

[Nelson Montana]

Here's the "proof"!


http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/pharmacology/steroid-case-study-01.htm

That article is from Feb 1999.

Steroids For Health appeared in T-mag September 1998.

Now admit you're an asshole and we can all move on.

 

[Juice Authority]

That article is from Feb 1999.

Steroids For Health appeared in T-mag September 1998.

Now admit you're an asshole and we can all move on.

HAHAHAHAHA!

Nelson my dear man, that was just one article from 1999. There were earlier versions written by Bill that spoke to the same idea, which you later stole and published in your book! Shame on you!

 

[Nelson Montana]

HAHAHAHAHA!

Nelson my dear man, that was just one article from 1999. There were earlier versions written by Bill that spoke to the same idea, which you later stole and published in your book! Shame on you!

That is the lamest, the most pathetic attempt at trying to save face I've ever seen. What are you, Fonz? You think that just conjuring up a story gives you credence?
Now, admit you're an asshole already. We all know it. The next step is it's up to you.

 

[Naeblis]

I believe Nelson.

 

[Juice Authority]

That is the lamest, the most pathetic attempt at trying to save face I've ever seen. What are you, Fonz? You think that just conjuring up a story gives you credence?
Now, admit you're an asshole already. We all know it. The next step is it's up to you.

Post your article from 1998.

 

[Juice Authority]

I believe Nelson.

No cares what you believe. You've already made a complete ass out of yourself and have zero credibility on this board so go write your long-winded verbose essays that are meaningless somewhere else.

 

[Mavy]

Nelson and Juice ,... I hate to inform the two of you ... but short cycles have been used long before 1997. This is not a new concept. People have done this before "Bill" and "Nelson", claim to have "invented" this wonderfull idea.

I understand that Nelson, and Bill, both want to be named the "first person to pioneer this idea", or first person to write about it. If it makes you feel special then fine .. you were the first person to have the idea .... as long as you know people have been doing this forever... far befre 1997.

 

[Juice Authority]

Nelson and Juice ,... I hate to inform the two of you ... but short cycles have been used long before 1997. This is not a new concept. People have done this before "Bill" and "Nelson", claim to have "invented" this wonderfull idea.

I understand that Nelson, and Bill, both want to be named the "first person to pioneer this idea", or first person to write about it. If it makes you feel special then fine .. you were the first person to have the idea .... as long as you know people have been doing this forever... far befre 1997.

Shhhh...don't tell Nelson that. He might have an aneurysm.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson and Juice ,... I hate to inform the two of you ... but short cycles have been used long before 1997. This is not a new concept. People have done this before "Bill" and "Nelson", claim to have "invented" this wonderfull idea.

I understand that Nelson, and Bill, both want to be named the "first person to pioneer this idea", or first person to write about it. If it makes you feel special then fine .. you were the first person to have the idea .... as long as you know people have been doing this forever... far befre 1997.

Whoa, with all due respect, dont put words in my mouth Mavy.

I never claimed to be the first person to do this. I may be one of the first people to write about it in a specific plan, but I'm sure others have done it. My problem was with Juice claiming I plagerized it. To a writer that is the ultimate insult. Juice has no respect for the work of others and no regard for the truth. If it is slanderous to me, he will present it as fact. That shows he also has no self respect and that makes him a low life dickwad in my book.

There ay be other who actually think JA has something of merit and I want to make sure that on my board, phoneys, bullies and liars get called on their actions. And that's I set out to do. And I did it.

 

[Juice Authority]

Whoa, with all due respect, dont put words in my mouth Mavy.

I never claimed to be the first person to do this. I may be one of the first people to write about it in a specific plan, but I'm sure others have done it. My problem was with Juice claiming I plagerized it. To a writer that is the ultimate insult. Juice has no respect for the work of others and no regard for the truth. If it is slanderous to me, he will present it as fact. That shows he also has no self respect and that makes him a low life dickwad in my book.

There ay be other who actually think JA has something of merit and I want to make sure that on my board, phoneys, bullies and liars get called on their actions. And that's I set out to do. And I did it.

You did what??? You called me on what? Hahahaha. You are truly amazing. If anyone called anyone on their shit it was ME!

 

[Naeblis]

You still have not shown how Nelson has plagiarized anything. Furthermore, if you agree with Mavy that these are ideas that have been around far longer than Nelson and the other guy, then how do you propose Nelson has "stolen" this? How do you "plagiarize" off a guy that stole the idea himself? It cannot be plagiarizing for one and not the other. If you want to get a charge of plagiarization to stick, find the very first person to ever use this principle. You cannot plagiarize an idea that no one knows the originator for.

Hope that helps.

 

[mt]

I believe Nelson.

How unlike you not to elaborate. What about the bruta fulima?

 

[Naeblis]

JA maybe you didn't see my post. Are you planning on ever answering it?

 

[Juice Authority]

JA maybe you didn't see my post. Are you planning on ever answering it?

Go fuck yourself moron!

 

[Naeblis]

That's what I thought. You understand of course that until you answer my points you just look like a fool.

 

[sconoscuito]

is taking unleached as a pct a good idea?

 

[Naeblis]

I'll field this one Nelson old chap.

I like Unleashed. THe Avena makes me hornier than a midget in a porn flick. You can use Unleashed, though there is a specific proteinfactory supp called Post CYcle that you can use as well. Use them both, fuck, can't hurt.

 

[nsashbl01]

I used unleashed after clomid once, and it did cause a hormonal change. I got zit's on my back, so something was effected? As far as short cycle's, My brother lived with a pro bb back in the late 80's. He did short cycle's back then. So who cares who documented it first? If you like what Nelson suggests, or what Bill suggested, great. If not, great! Why does everyone argue, whats it gonna change??

sconoscuito, try unleashed. It's worth trying. IMO