Your nurses of the future.

[Bullit]

I only have one question:
Will nurses of the future wear silver suits and carry lazers, or not?

 

[biteme]

I only have one question:
Will nurses of the future wear silver suits and carry lazers, or not?

Probably. New diseases will arise that will require decontamination suits.

 

[Lao Tzu]

If you want to control costs, step 1 is GET THE GOVERNMENT AWAY FROM IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

Docs should have high salaries. It's their reward for missing the first 30 years of life. And we want smart people in that line of work.

im pretty sure i read somewhere that 50% of medical diagnosis's are incorrect. I just read in a pharmaceutical textbook that doctor mistakes with drugs kill over 106,000 people a year.

Not only that, but there are alot of medical professionals who can do the work of a doctor for a lesser charge.

Physicians assistants can perform minor surgeries right now. and i think they are gaining more responsibility. Nursing managers/practitioners are gaining authority too.

A nurse anesthesiologist makes 1/2 what an MD anesthesiologist makes but 1/2 the hospitals in america have a nurse anesthesiologist as their sole anesthesiology practitioner. Its an example of a doctor being replaced by another medical professional who can do the same job for less money. an MD anesthesiologist makes $243,530 in Indianapolis and a nurse anesthesiologist makes 106,564.

Physicians assistants and nurses with grad degrees will take on more responsibility because they can perform more or less the same function for 1/2-1/3 the cost.

And the US has the highest % of GDP spent on healthcare of any developed nation. so i dont think that gov. intervention is automatically a bad thing in regards to cutting cost.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Cheaper drugs means less quality and less attentionfrom pharma R&D.

But I love the country.

i'm pretty sure they get the same drugs we do. Their government is just able to negotiate a lower price. Not only that but pharma companies only spend about 13% of their budgets on R&D, they make a 22% profit margin too. Most other companies make 3% profits.

And alot of the new drugs are just newer drugs for illnesses that already have a class of drugs for them. they are offering new drugs that do what pre-existing drugs already do for 5x the price. Thats not to say there are not improvements but a reasonable amount of the time there are already a large group of drugs for the condition the new drug was invented for.

 

[biteme]

i'm pretty sure they get the same drugs we do. Their government is just able to negotiate a lower price. Not only that but pharma companies only spend about 13% of their budgets on R&D, they make a 22% profit margin too. Most other companies make 3% profits.

And alot of the new drugs are just newer drugs for illnesses that already have a class of drugs for them. they are offering new drugs that do what pre-existing drugs already do for 5x the price. Thats not to say there are not improvements but a reasonable amount of the time there are already a large group of drugs for the condition the new drug was invented for.

Yes. Once a company's patent for a drug expires and they have to compete with generic brands, they will make a new drug that often essentially does the same thing but for a much higher price. I assume they have a contract or something with certain doctors to prescribe the new drug. They're greedy bastards. They recoup all the money they did on research by having a patent on the drug for 10 years. This is the assumption that I have and I believe it's correct.

 

[Bullit]

Probably. New diseases will arise that will require decontamination suits.

Will they have jetpacks?

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

im pretty sure i read somewhere that 50% of medical diagnosis's are incorrect. I just read in a pharmaceutical textbook that doctor mistakes with drugs kill over 106,000 people a year.

Not only that, but there are alot of medical professionals who can do the work of a doctor for a lesser charge.

Physicians assistants can perform minor surgeries right now. and i think they are gaining more responsibility. Nursing managers/practitioners are gaining authority too.

A nurse anesthesiologist makes 1/2 what an MD anesthesiologist makes but 1/2 the hospitals in america have a nurse anesthesiologist as their sole anesthesiology practitioner. Its an example of a doctor being replaced by another medical professional who can do the same job for less money. an MD anesthesiologist makes $243,530 in Indianapolis and a nurse anesthesiologist makes 106,564.

Physicians assistants and nurses with grad degrees will take on more responsibility because they can perform more or less the same function for 1/2-1/3 the cost.

And the US has the highest % of GDP spent on healthcare of any developed nation. so i dont think that gov. intervention is automatically a bad thing in regards to cutting cost.

so youre going to suck the health care industry into more of a black hole of competition for cheap labor. MD's pay their dues. nurses dont to the same degree.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

Yes. Once a company's patent for a drug expires and they have to compete with generic brands, they will make a new drug that often essentially does the same thing but for a much higher price. I assume they have a contract or something with certain doctors to prescribe the new drug. They're greedy bastards. They recoup all the money they did on research by having a patent on the drug for 10 years. This is the assumption that I have and I believe it's correct.

wouldnt you want to recieve under the table money if you were a physician and you were constantly fearing for your job from some advanced practice nurse who has several years less training than you, but will work for cheaper.


hey lets turn our entire health care industry into illegal alien labor, heck every other industry is going that way. will you work for a pile of dog crap, or at least a pile only half as big as that guys? of course you will.

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

im pretty sure i read somewhere that 50% of medical diagnosis's are incorrect. I just read in a pharmaceutical textbook that doctor mistakes with drugs kill over 106,000 people a year.

Not only that, but there are alot of medical professionals who can do the work of a doctor for a lesser charge.

Physicians assistants can perform minor surgeries right now. and i think they are gaining more responsibility. Nursing managers/practitioners are gaining authority too.

A nurse anesthesiologist makes 1/2 what an MD anesthesiologist makes but 1/2 the hospitals in america have a nurse anesthesiologist as their sole anesthesiology practitioner. Its an example of a doctor being replaced by another medical professional who can do the same job for less money. an MD anesthesiologist makes $243,530 in Indianapolis and a nurse anesthesiologist makes 106,564.

Physicians assistants and nurses with grad degrees will take on more responsibility because they can perform more or less the same function for 1/2-1/3 the cost.

And the US has the highest % of GDP spent on healthcare of any developed nation. so i dont think that gov. intervention is automatically a bad thing in regards to cutting cost.

riiight, i believe those stats, especially with physicians being forced to go from patient to patient in minutes, hurry diagnoses and give more and more of their hands on time to others. think about it this way...

can you more accurately deduce something having been there, or looking at things on a chart like... BP slightly elevated, urine slightly alkalinic with high Na + concentrations.

by God i would say they were in metabolic or respiratory alkalosis. with a hurried diagnosis like that, a physican in my opinion would be more likely to assume that respiratory alkalosis is also present, without looking at an arterial blood gas analysis. why? bc it can be a compensatory process metabolic alkalosis, easy to assume, correct. possibly a bad assumption, yes. with having to meet quotas and see certain amounts of patients, of course youre going to assume things.

another fact you are seemingly forgetting is that advanced practice nurses are not put under the same scrutiny as physicians, the ANA is not up to date on its policies for APN's and the regulations on APN's are state by state. if they dont have to see as many patients, and have a physician looking over their shoulder correcting mistakes, of course they are going to make less mistakes.


RAINA where are you?

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

health care up there is worse than ours. long waits for procedures you canhave here right away.

Cheaper drugs means less quality and less attentionfrom pharma R&D.

But I love the country.

im sure to some degree that the info ive recieved is skewed the other way, but in a conservative part of the USA, i learned in med sociology that the negative aspects of canadian subsidized healthcare are greatly overstated. i can point you to some journal articles that would indicate that same phenomena, but im sure youve read plenty of them given your chosen profession