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Frackal I think you are getting a bit possessive over all this.

:) Piece Nug. LMAO!!!
 
bigguns7 said:


Just because Dan Rather says it doesn't make it extremely common. In fact, he's one of the only people I know of that speaks in that manner.

I disagree. I hear most Americans do this to some extent or another. Dan Rather is just an extreme example. I don't think many Americans notice though, because this way of speaking has become a part of the accent. It is becoming more and more common - an evolution of the american dialect it seems. Some non-americans do this too, it is just EXTREMELY common among Americans.

I'm not judging these American quirks, i'm just contrasting them with the type of English I speak. You probably find standard English pronounciation and spelling a little strange too".


i.e. spelling:

colour, honour instead of color, honor.

specialise instead of specialize.


i.e. Pronounciation:

"Awction" instead of "auction"

tomato instead of tomayto.

Antarctica instead on an-ardica.

Americans find words like "fortnight" quirky. We find words like "gotten" quirky.

etc., etc.
 
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lieutenant

Show me which letter the "F" sound is coming from in the queens English pronunciation ...

Do you see an F ?
I don't...

Is it the eu ?
 
Y_Lifter said:
lieutenant

Show me which letter the "F" sound is coming from in the queens English pronunciation ...

Do you see an F ?
I don't...

Is it the eu ?

But standard English spelling isn't phonetic. You say cough as coff, not as "cog" because it is spelt that way.

We all tend to consider the way we do things to be normal. I was in Texas once, talking to a local woman. She commented on how I have a "strong accent". I thought this was funny. In the strict sense of the term I don't have an accent at all. It is she who has the accent.
 
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GH pronounced as an F sound is standard, as are several others.

This one always made me chuckle when I heard it in English accents,
and it does not fit the common english pronunc rules..
 
Y_Lifter said:
GH pronounced as an F sound is standard, as are several others.

This one always made me chuckle when I heard it in English accents,
and it does not fit the common english pronunc rules..

:confused: I don't understand. You're going to have to cite an example.
 
HansNZ said:

it is just EXTREMELY common among Americans.


Extremely common to me means something like 4 out of 5 americans say it this way. I can assure you that either you are talking to a group of Americans all from the same region (perhaps a dialect?) that speak this way, or you are using the word "extremely" much too liberally.

You've named Dan Rather - can you name 10 other public figures that speak this way. If it were extremely common, you should be able to come up with 50 well known americans that speak in this manner.

Not to split hairs, it's just that I rarely hear this, and coming from a family with two speech pathologists, I tend to notice these things. Also, I work for an Australian company, and I've heard them make fun of just ebout every quirk in the English language, but this is one I've never heard.

Some differences I've heard:

They think it's funny we say the word 5,500 as "fifty-five hundred." Aussies say "five and a half thousand."

I think it's funny that Aussies and Brits seem to end every sentence with a question mark, or turn ever sentence into a question. ie - my coworker knows I just ordered a steak for lunch - "ordering a steak today are you?"

Other words Aussies and Brits say "wrong"

laboratry instead of laboratory
alumninium instead of aluminum
 
bigguns7 said:

Some differences I've heard:

They think it's funny we say the word 5,500 as "fifty-five hundred." Aussies say "five and a half thousand."

I think it's funny that Aussies and Brits seem to end every sentence with a question mark, or turn ever sentence into a question. ie - my coworker knows I just ordered a steak for lunch - "ordering a steak today are you?"

Other words Aussies and Brits say "wrong"

laboratry instead of laboratory
alumninium instead of aluminum

I mentioned Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, and George Bush as osme other examples. I can't say I have committed the speech patterns of prominent Americans to memory. I'd have to sit down in front of the news with a pen and paper and take notes.

My suggestion: listen to people you meet. I think you will be surprised how often you hear the "sch" sound if you're listening for it.

I would say "five and a half thousand" myself. But I wouldn't think anything about saying fifty-five hundred either.

I haven't heard many Aussies or Brits pronounce laboratory the way you have suggested - although I am sure some do.

As for "alumninium" I haven't ever heard that at all. Most americans say aluminum, we say aluminium.

Ending sentences as a question is a very common quirk of ours. Americans visiting here often ask: "are you asking me or telling me?", lol. I like to think I don't do this.
 
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HansNZ said:


I mentioned Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, and George Bush as osme other examples. I can't say I have committed the speech patterns of prominent Americans to memory. I'd have to sit down in front of the news with a pen and paper and take notes.


Funny you should mention those guys. I was at first going to say that the few people I had heard talk like that were older people. People in their 60's and up. This goes to prove that observation.
 
bigguns7 said:


Funny you should mention those guys. I was at first going to say that the few people I had heard talk like that were older people. People in their 60's and up. This goes to prove that observation.

Perhaps you haven't heard American speech characterised (characterized) this way because this isn't a quirk tied specifically to American speech, although it is vastly, vastly more common among Americans. It is present among non-Americans - listen to Sean Connery for instance.

In any case Dan Rather and Sean Connery are extreme examples. This characteristic tends to be more subtle, more like the way Colin Powell speaks.

Larry King has just come on TV. I've just noticed he speaks like that too. I do hear this type of speech among plenty of younger Americans. It is not a generation thing. In fact I believe it is becoming more common in the USA. I would venture to say that more than 50% of Americans do this to some degree or another.
 
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