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JeSt3r

JeSt3r

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Hi, as you all can tell im new here and to the anabolic rage...I am a high school student who plays football. Ive been in the gym 5-6 times every week for the past year......I've gained 7lbs...I eat 7-8 meats a day with around 4000 calories in my diet..Nothing...Cant gain weight...my doctor says its high metabolism and i have to live with it....i was just wondering your opinions on something... A couple of the players on my team took 2 cycles of EQ and Winni and they had pretty good gains with very little losses.... i was just wondering what your opinions would be on this for me (stats below)

163 lbs
5'9
max bench: 165
Max squat: 370
BF%: too much id say around 25%
Goals: Hopefully to be around 210LBS by next season....and to go -15%BF
 
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im dead serious....i played soccer since i was 3...then at 14 went to football...i have tons of leg strenght...i have like no upper body though....hopefully ill get pics soon....
 
25% BF is pretty high. Even 15% is like a the high side of average BF. You should get rid of BF before you do anything. ALso if your eating 4000 cals and only way 165lbs somethings definitely wrong. I don't care what kind of metabolism your doctor says you have.
 
You gotta slam your back and tri's for bench...and use complex mov't...t-bar--change the routine a lot also to shock the muscle's and dont overtrain try 3 days a week and only 1-2 muscle groups a day. Also take in around 4200 in calories and dont eat carbs only in fruit also you need to have around 250 grams of protien roughly...(this is quick recomend) also use those other 2 days in gym time for cardio Jump rope(good for tri's back chest) also strap weight and do dips...your tris must be week...also it will devlop wide chest. Let me know it this is part of your program already this is a great change from the norm if not...
 
The Terminator said:
If your metabolism were that high (as you say) you sure as hell would not be 25% bf...:rolleyes:

Also a 165 pound max bench and 370 squat...Come on...Something is NOT right about that...
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Its high school, the only have go lower the bar a couple of inches for the squat to count.
 
honestly im not positive of my body fat...id say i have a decent amount but then again...im not a bodybuilder and im probally not judging myself right...and yes my tris are pretty weak... and i do cartio every other day...jump on the tred mill for 30 min or so....

oh and no i didnt lower the bar jsut a couple of inches for the squat
 
you're in no position to start AAS from what i've read so far... like tiger88 said checkout the training/diet forums
 
are you freakin serious. How old are you?

You have lifted for a year and only gained 7 lbs.? Your strength coach needs to be fired at that school.

Gain weight = no cardio. You are probably not over 10%BF if you are eating 4000cals a day and not gaining any weight. How do you know you are eating 4000 cals a day? What is the breakup of the calories? Protein, Fats, Carbs? - Yes there are only 3 of them.

You will probably not overtrain at a young age. I started serious when I was 17 or 18, and quite often spent 2-3 hours at the gym, usually lifting for 1-2 hours and then playing basketball for the rest.

Are you using any supplements?

What does your training even consist of?
 
no, no, no- no AAS for u kid. learn abt diet and training instead, don't listen to docs. 7lbs in ur first yr of weight training?!! that is miserable and in no way justifies the use of AAS.
 
once u can bench twice your bodyweight.. come back lol.
 
This might help at your age you probably have 2-3 times the amount of testosterone I do. You need a calorie and counter that lists carbs, fats and protein they cost about $5 bucks,AAS is not quick fix and won't work magic Diet,Training and Rest are 95% of the formula. With that Calorie/nutrient counter and the dieat and training board here(and all the links it has) you should be able to grow and grow quick, also get Body fat calipers about $15 bucks or get youBF% measured at a gym. Then come back with your diet and bodyfat answers and all the questions and The people on this board can help.:)
 
diet, cardio, rest, and training. THATS ALL
no AS
if those are right you will see the results you want
 
JeSt3r said:


163 lbs
5'9
max bench: 165
Max squat: 370
BF%: too much id say around 25%
Goals: Hopefully to be around 210LBS by next season....and to go -15%BF
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ok bottom line is that you need to reassess your diet and nutrition, and forget about aas use for the time being

it is very very unlikely that you are training effectively and have made such poor gains. clearly something is off, whether its your training, diet, both, or just that your assessment of your body composition is off also

how old are you.

if youre in high school, youre young enough to have great normal hormones for development. supplementing is not on the menu for a few years yet

your bodyfat is high. that blows away your doctors fast metabolism theory.

give you a tip (im a pharmacist) doctors use cliches, misinformation, and diversion to get you to do what they want. he was probably bullshitting you to get you out of his office.

the whole "fast metabolism" label for someone like yourself is likely total bullshit.

so.

read your ass off on these boards, focus on learning about nutrition to achieve your goals, and also how to work out effectively. with proper training and nutrition, youll pack on a whole lot more than 7 lbs. hell i put on 20lbs at that age, and i was trying to cut down!

cheers
 
be carefull on the tread...bad for knee's and strech after about a 10 min worm up....I like the elipticle's...and the jump rope I love good luck! also test that body fat once every week...I was a wreslter and I lowerd my % every week...and cut around 3 lb's a day..mostly water but you can cut lots of fat in 2 weeks
 
well for those of u who wanted to know age im 17...you guys have explained a lot....i think im gonna hold out on AAS untili try making a few changes in my workout routine...i kno it sounds like a bunch of bull..7 lbs in a year but its true....i worked my ass off every day and nada....im gonna go check out the diet and training forum...ill keep u guys posted later on if any changes happen...thanks for all the help
 
Okay, on a more serious note, give us a detailed breakdown of your diet/training schedule, there are lots of bro (myself included, despite my previous post) who would be willing to help you fix it up.
 
well like i sed it is high school so i was on the BFS program...but i modified it for myself since i was in the gym 6 days a week....

Mon. - Flat bench, Incline bench, Decline bench, 30 min treddy
Tues. - Squats, DeadLifts, Leg Press, 30 min treddy
Wed. - Dumbell bench, incline dumbell bench, curls, reverse curls, 30 min treddy
Thurs. - Power cleans, box squat,
Fri. - Military press, Dips, Curls, 30 min treddy
Sat. - Little of everything i just go back and pick what i feel needs more work...lately i've been going back to bench..

My Calorie intake is varied... Considering most people know what italian families are like..But i get at LEAST 3500 a day....I mostly eat grilled chicken breasts, Lean cuts of steak, and pasta...i try to keep the pasta low due to the carbs...i eat at least 4 servings of fruit a day...usally bannanas...and i dont eat much junk food or sweets...i jsut dont like em... :confused:
 
Dude you're 17, BF is too high and trust me: you're not ready for AAS yet. Try dropping your BF first, wait 4-5 years and then you may think about AAS.
 
Ok...enuff wit the flaming...I've understood that im not ready for AAS...and im on winter break so get off my back...people wanted to know my workout routine and my diet...and there it is
 
JeSt3r said:
Ok...enuff wit the flaming...I've understood that im not ready for AAS...and im on winter break so get off my back...people wanted to know my workout routine and my diet...and there it is
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LOL
 
JeSt3r said:
Ok...enuff wit the flaming...I've understood that im not ready for AAS...and im on winter break so get off my back...people wanted to know my workout routine and my diet...and there it is
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There's no flames, just folks trying to help and you and telling you how bad you could hurt yourself if you stayedon your first idea.
 
JeSt3r said:
well like i sed it is high school so i was on the BFS program...but i modified it for myself since i was in the gym 6 days a week....

Mon. - Flat bench, Incline bench, Decline bench, 30 min treddy
Tues. - Squats, DeadLifts, Leg Press, 30 min treddy
Wed. - Dumbell bench, incline dumbell bench, curls, reverse curls, 30 min treddy
Thurs. - Power cleans, box squat,
Fri. - Military press, Dips, Curls, 30 min treddy
Sat. - Little of everything i just go back and pick what i feel needs more work...lately i've been going back to bench..
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Try this:
Mon - Flat Bench (Flat or Dumbell) - switch it to dumbell every 3 or 4 exercises.
Incline - same as above
Dumbell Presses or Flyes
Finishing exercise - Cable Crossovers, Pec Dec, etc.

Tue - Back
Pulldowns Widegrip
Bent Barbell Rows (must have good form with all exercises)
T-Bar Rows
Anyother back exercise that is cable or dumbell for back
Deadlifts (Optional)

Wed - Shoulders (Must warm up properly)
Military Presses
Lateral Raises
Rear Lateral Raises
Bar Shruggs
Dumbell Shruggs

Thu - Arms
Bar Curl
Dumbell Curl
Preacher Curl
Pushdowns (Tri's)
Close-Grip bench
Overhead extensions

Fri - Off

Sat - Legs
Leg Extensions - 2 sets for 20 reps warmup
Squats (regular) - good form
Leg Press
Leg Extensions
Leg Curls
Stiff Leg Deadlifts

Keep Cardio at 0-2 days at most for getting big.
Eat more carbs. Eat high protein. Moderate Fats.
 
mlong23 said:


Try this:
Mon - Flat Bench (Flat or Dumbell) - switch it to dumbell every 3 or 4 exercises.
Incline - same as above
Dumbell Presses or Flyes
Finishing exercise - Cable Crossovers, Pec Dec, etc.

Tue - Back
Pulldowns Widegrip
Bent Barbell Rows (must have good form with all exercises)
T-Bar Rows
Anyother back exercise that is cable or dumbell for back
Deadlifts (Optional)

Wed - Shoulders (Must warm up properly)
Military Presses
Lateral Raises
Rear Lateral Raises
Bar Shruggs
Dumbell Shruggs

Thu - Arms
Bar Curl
Dumbell Curl
Preacher Curl
Pushdowns (Tri's)
Close-Grip bench
Overhead extensions

Fri - Off

Sat - Legs
Leg Extensions - 2 sets for 20 reps warmup
Squats (regular) - good form
Leg Press
Leg Extensions
Leg Curls
Stiff Leg Deadlifts

Keep Cardio at 0-2 days at most for getting big.
Eat more carbs. Eat high protein. Moderate Fats.
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thats not a very good split bro, i would never reccomend that
 
Try the 5x5 link or one of the other training stickies at the top of the Training forum. The 5x5 is fairly straight forward and almost everyone will have answers to the questions that you do have.

-- Then start writting down everything you eat, or go to fitday.com and chart it there. You may find out your not taking in near as much as you think you are. Split your food intake up into 5-8 meals a day, or as many as you can, since you're in school.

-- Get a food scale, even the digital ones are only about $10-20. This way you won't cheat yourself.

-- I think a posted pic will help with getting a true estimate of your bf %.

-- Doing AAS at your age will most likely seal your growth plates, which is not really a good idea.

--Finally.....If you cannot grow naturally....you won't do too much better on AAS. Just be patient.

Work hard, plan well....you'll get there.

-2z-
 
25% bf on a 163 lb. body would be over 40 poudns of fat and only 120 lbs. of muscle and bones, you would look very fat and doubt you would be able to play any position on a football team. find out your real bf% first.. I guess this is a real thread?
 
I recomend a 12 week cycle.

week 1-12 1,000 mgs test e
week 1-12 150 mgs ed tren
week 6-12 50 mgs ed winny

No post cycle necessary.
this will get you where you need to be.
 
sorry in your dreams youll be 210 by next season i dont care what bf% you are. with juice your not gonna gain that much weight. i have strong legs too man ive played hockey since i came out of the womb but i dont even think i can max at 370 (and by max i mean proper form...not going down 2 inches and sticking my ass out a little then coming back up). at 163 pounds...and 25% body fat, not much of that can be muscle no offense man. you dont need to be in the gym 6 days a week either.
 
If you can put up with all these people's shit, gaining weight is gonna be like clock work! J/K The reason why your getting flammed or atleast feel like your getting flammed is because WE have ALL been there. One thing I've learned is that ego does not belong in this game but almost seems to go hand and hand with the turf. Swollow your pride and take the good with the bad. Don't read too much into what you believe is flamming. It's tuff love! BELIEVE ME! I think it's great your here and your first step is to work on training and diet. Thus, the two boards you should hangout at all the time. If your anything like me you'll want to come here and read anyway. It's not the right thing to do trust me. Too many people start juicing thinking it will solve there problems with bodybuilding. In reality it makes it 10 times harder if you don't have the basics down. I'm just now learning the basics and I've been in this game for a long time. You have a great opportunity to do things right. Just stay focused and take suggestions. You'll be on your way in no time! Welcome....
 
yea i hear ya....and its not that im angry with people critsizing me and stuff its the fact that i wanna start packing on pounds you know....currently i play football and basebal...but once high school is done i prolly wont play football or baseball in college ( currently too small for any type of college sport) so i would like to focus on bodybuidlng...ive read many many posts on this site and ive learned alot...plus alot of the stuff that was said was based on my error...my body fat caculation must be very off from what ive heard....like i sed i hopefully will get sum pics of myself and then maybe my problems can start being solved....i thank all of u who posted again....whether it was trying to help or just to put ur 2 cents in =) its always fun to see wut ppl say
 
Since this is the AAS board I don't want to go too much into training and diet but I'll give you some things to checkout that should help you on your way. Over training is a big problem. You don't grow while your working out. You grow when you recover. Compound movements are those such as; squats, deadlifts, bench press, and military press. These should be the focus of your training. Hit one bodypart once a week! Progressive overload is your key to adding muscle mass. Simply put...the more you lift the more you grow. Start off light and work on form. You may find you can't always increase weight and that's OK. That's where diet comes in. You need more calories then you use up in a normal day to grow and less in a normal day to shrink or lose bodyfat. This is tricky because too many calories you gain fat and not enough calories you loose muscle mass. Protein is number uno. Then comes complexed carbs. Lastly is fat inwhich you do need also. Now you just need to read alot and trust me it may take you years to find out what works best for you. Once you have this down REALLY DOWN then you can start to think about using steroids. I would give yourself atleat 6 years of training and dieting until you choose to juice. Don't be attempted to juice right now. It's just a suppliment and you'll gain alot more by training and dieting right now. Just starting out you'll make some of your biggest gains. Now off to the deit and training boards you go.....
 
DaddyX said:


thats not a very good split bro, i would never reccomend that
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And that would be why? It has worked for me and my training partner. I'm currently at 5'11 240. Maybe we just differ.
 
thanks guys..ill be taking pics today....ill post them probally in the training form or members forum... ill put a link from there to here thanks again
 
Your way below 25% bodyfat! Also, your legs are not that strong. I can tell by your upper body. A good place to start would be to take in more calories. There is no way your taking in 4000 calories a day. EAT, EAT, EAT, and EAT some more! It took some balls posting your pics. Your ego is right where it needs to be right now....ignore the flames. Good luck bro!
 
Madmatt said:
There is no way your taking in 4000 calories a day. EAT, EAT, EAT, and EAT some more! Good luck bro!
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