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[bobby716]

first things first.
25 y/o
208 lbs
10-12%bf
ran test p and winny before
Diet is keyed in

Looking to run 2 compounds. Test n something else: masteron, tren, anavar

I am gyno prone and I can't get my hands on caber at the moment so tren may be out the question.

looking to run a 10 weeker have my gains stay as lean as possible and harden up. hopefully when all is said and done 215-218 8% bf.

Have adex, nolva, clomid, HCG on hand.

Interested in what will give me the best bang for my buck n help me get to my goal

 

[joeblow12345]

First thing trash the nolva. It's not worth using for anything. As far as a cycle goes I'd run a 12 week cycle with test e, katana kicker, and winny finisher. Katana and winny are a lot cheaper then var and of course test is dirt cheap.


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[bobby716]

I can get my hands on some sponsor prami. still need to look into it cuz I don't want to run tren n have a flare up n have it be useless

I have run both katanadrol and winny before. Didnt even think that route. I like it

The nolva I have a prescription for so it's always on hand

 

[dylangemelli]

test prop, mast prop and anavar would be a great cycle for what you are wanting... aromasin on cycle will be great for you... fuck, im running aromasin ED on my cycle and eating at a deficit and have still put on over 10 lbs and my body fat is down and i have never been this shredded in my life...

 

[bobby716]

is anavar superior to tren?

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

Dylan laid out a great 3 compound cycle. Anavar is pretty mild on the liver and min sides. Weight gains from it can be maintained and are good clean gains. Its great for cutting fat while adding lean mass in a cycle as well as strength gains. Good part about anavar for your future reference is it has a low impact on HPTA thus meaning at a low dose will not completely shut you down....and i think its been said but anavar also dose not aromatize. But as far as being superior to Tren that depends on who you ask and what kind of cycles they run for the goals they want to archive.

 

[oxymoron]

is anavar superior to tren?

IMO no. Tren is the king of aas, BUT its one of the harshest aas on ur system. Others will say they hate it. It has crazy sides and still a lot is not known what it may do long term. I have had trouble sleeping, get emotional to where I just ball watching tv, sweat profusely, lose cardiovascular fitness, lose appetite just to name a few.

Anavar is probably one of the easiest on ur system and causes gradual growth. I really havent noticed any real sides.than mwybe slightly elevated bp. So dependent on u and ur goals and tolerance for sides either could be considered superior.


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[bobby716]

I like his layout just not a huge fan of winny. it killed my joints last time and I really didnt see much of a difference from throwing it in and running just test. What if i substituted mast for it?

Im really interested in running tren. Are the sides worth the outcome?

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

I like his layout just not a huge fan of winny. it killed my joints last time and I really didnt see much of a difference from throwing it in and running just test. What if i substituted mast for it?

Im really interested in running tren. Are the sides worth the outcome?

Dylan's layout didnt have winny..it was test prop, mast prop and anavar.

 

[MattJS]

Only you can decide if the sides were worth the outcome, after you've run it of course.... I'm on tren right now and its not what I was expecting at all, I'm hungry as hell, horny as fk, no sweating, no aggression, so the side effects are very mild FOR ME however these things can effect different people in very different ways, the only way to know how it'll effect you is to give it a go....

 

[bobby716]

which is better at visceral fat burining. I dont like running more than 2 compounds at a time.why throw gas, lighter fluid and propane into the same fire.

I would either run:

test p 1-10 150mg EOD
tren a 1-8 100mg EOD

or

test p 1-10 150mg EOD
anavar 60mg ED

aromasin (not adex as mentioned above): 12.5 1-10 EOD (gyno prone)
HCG 500iu E4d 4-10
LiquidPrami (tren)


PCT:
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
Forged Post Cycle
Unleashed

***another thing. If i am running the adex EOD would it make more sense running a longer ester test like e/c or sust and pinning once/twice a week instead of EOD since the bloat will be in check with the anti-e?

 

[joeblow12345]

I like his layout just not a huge fan of winny. it killed my joints last time and I really didnt see much of a difference from throwing it in and running just test. What if i substituted mast for it?

Im really interested in running tren. Are the sides worth the outcome?

Tren gains are worth the sides IMO. Nothing shreds me like tren and I get ridiculous strength gains with great vascularity and mass. It does everything you can imagine way better then any other aas. But it comes with a price and the sides are worse then anything else. As long as you have n2guard, caber, and mast it's managable. Mast is a bit expensive but I only use 1-200 mgs week and I'm good.


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[bobby716]

how does the mast help with the tren?

has anyone used/ got tests done with chemicalneed prami before. i am gyno prone and dont want to take any chances?

 

[stevesmi]

Only you can decide if the sides were worth the outcome, after you've run it of course.... I'm on tren right now and its not what I was expecting at all, I'm hungry as hell, horny as fk, no sweating, no aggression, so the side effects are very mild FOR ME however these things can effect different people in very different ways, the only way to know how it'll effect you is to give it a go....

^^^this is what i was gonna say.

you should experiment yourself and see what you like.. experiment with different brands too. you will find out what you like and what you absolutely hate.

for example I hate winny and will never run it again.. its the first AAS to give me headaches and make me lose my hair like crazy. primo i can't run because of the high molecular #, the PIP is too much for me to deal with.

var i liked a lot, its pricey but the strength gains on it were nothing short of amazing with little to no sides. just gotta make sure you buy good quality

tren I have never sweated on it (granted I am not a sweater), i am not aggressive on it at all quite the opposite. i am calm as a cucumber on it. but maybe its because I am a laid back mature person. at your age at 25 you don't want to be messing around with tren yet.

you are still too raw.. give it a few years till you are fully matured.

 

[stevesmi]

also depending on AAS to burn away your fat just doesn't work. i've never once seen a person come on here who was fat who ran AAS and kept doing what they were doing and accomplished their goal.

fat burning will be dependent on cardio and diet

 

[dylangemelli]

i like the fact that you are wise in only wanting to run two aas at a time but honestly, you could have a sweet cycle with test, tren and anavar... anavar does come with sides but nothing like others and it would fit in well on this cycle... tren is obviously going to have more sides than anavar but it has the ability to cut you up like crazy.. anavar will definitely cut you but tren is on a whole different level... its just like everyone else said... you have to weigh the risk/reward on it...