You can design and execute your own HRT program

[fortunatesun]

Sorry to bump an old thread but this is still the basic reference for HRT here on EF. Mods- please consider giving a sticky to this one or better yet make Lion compile an updated version to sticky-

I'm wondering if you had any info on EQ as a component of HRT. My thinking is it might make a substitute for GH as it has little to no aromatization, increases red blood count and lends itself to long term use. By it's nature it woud be more anabolic than GH as it is similar in chemical structure to dianabol (but of course w/o the 17a alkylated chain) thus possibly more useful to those of us into strength training. It would also be less expensive. Although generic GH has brought lowered prices, UG EQ is dirt cheap and may be more effective at a reduced HRT size dosage- say 150 mg. per week. Do you think even this much would still constitute a cycle?

Anyway, my story in this is that I'm planning my first cycle in a few years, which will be test+EQ. I was toying with the idea of going straight into HRT after my PCT using EQ in place of the GH. Originally I thought to do it as a test run but may stick with it a while if I like the results. Thought I'd ask here first before finalizing my plans.

 

[heavy_duty]

any of you guys been given the gel by your doc?

 

[thelion2005]

any of you guys been given the gel by your doc?

Not me. I was given a prescription and took it to CVS (big chain store). They filled it from huge supply on the shelf.

 

[thelion2005]

Sorry to bump an old thread but this is still the basic reference for HRT here on EF. Mods- please consider giving a sticky to this one or better yet make Lion compile an updated version to sticky-

I'm wondering if you had any info on EQ as a component of HRT. My thinking is it might make a substitute for GH as it has little to no aromatization, increases red blood count and lends itself to long term use. By it's nature it woud be more anabolic than GH as it is similar in chemical structure to dianabol (but of course w/o the 17a alkylated chain) thus possibly more useful to those of us into strength training. It would also be less expensive. Although generic GH has brought lowered prices, UG EQ is dirt cheap and may be more effective at a reduced HRT size dosage- say 150 mg. per week. Do you think even this much would still constitute a cycle?

Anyway, my story in this is that I'm planning my first cycle in a few years, which will be test+EQ. I was toying with the idea of going straight into HRT after my PCT using EQ in place of the GH. Originally I thought to do it as a test run but may stick with it a while if I like the results. Thought I'd ask here first before finalizing my plans.

I read this over and think that EQ is a fine partner for test, but it is not a sub for HGH.

Test p + EQ + dbol+ HGH + a-dex would be terrific cycle stack.

 

[fortunatesun]

Thanks for your insight. Guess I'll listen to he who knows, though I'm not a fan of d-bol. I'm going to front load the test prop and EQ instead. If I do any orals it will be anavar at the end for a final blaze of glory.

 

[tommyguns2]

hey bud, thanks for the helpful info you're always providing.

One question: are you sure that a low dose test won't shut you down? I would think that it could be a function of a lot of different variables, and for older guys in the 40s and up, a long term low dose test could and most likely would shut you down. Wouldn't doing HCG with the test be a good idea to prevent testicular atrophy and further boost your test levels?

I'm curious to know your thoughts.

 

[KSman]

hey bud, thanks for the helpful info you're always providing.

One question: are you sure that a low dose test won't shut you down? I would think that it could be a function of a lot of different variables, and for older guys in the 40s and up, a long term low dose test could and most likely would shut you down. Wouldn't doing HCG with the test be a good idea to prevent testicular atrophy and further boost your test levels?

I'm curious to know your thoughts.

I agree. 100mg of test eth/cyp/prop per week will shut the boys down, shrink them and that can hurt. Research shows that HCG 250IU subq EOD will maintain baseline functioning. You want vials, not amps. Large doses are harmful. HCG also seems to improve mood and sense of well being; but that might be in part due to the tests that the HCG causes the testes to produce.

I feel that HCG is not optional.

So the foundation might be test+HCD+arimidex(anastrozole). Injections beat any transdermals. As for self injections, for these small amounts of test, test cyp will draw up in a #29 .5ml .5" insulin syringe. Inject in the vastus lateralis and carefully avoid veins in the skin.

example: I found that .28mg (0.14ml) injected EOD feels the best in terms of consistent levels. Tried 0.07ml ED and that was not as good. Weekly injections are hormone roller coasters that leave you empty for the 2nd half of the week.

Docs who want injections every two weeks need to find another profession.

Costs: most pharmacies are very expensive. But at Sam's club (USA) with a business membership, 10,000 IU HCG costs $16.25, 10ml of 200mg/ml test cyp costs $42-43. So that's all cheap. Insulin syringes are $100 per box of 100. 100 23 gauge 3ml 1.5" are $18. The major costs will be lab work and doctor consults. Transdermals are very expensive, if not covered by insurance, you had better go with injections. Arimidex is very expensive, $8-10 per 1mg tablet and most insurance probably does not cover. So "research chems" at a fraction of the cost may be your only option, even if you have a script in hand.

TRT can be the beginning of a much better life.

 

[thelion2005]

I agree. 100mg of test eth/cyp/prop per week will shut the boys down, shrink them and that can hurt. Research shows that HCG 250IU subq EOD will maintain baseline functioning. You want vials, not amps. Large doses are harmful. HCG also seems to improve mood and sense of well being; but that might be in part due to the tests that the HCG causes the testes to produce.

I feel that HCG is not optional.

So the foundation might be test+HCD+arimidex(anastrozole). Injections beat any transdermals. As for self injections, for these small amounts of test, test cyp will draw up in a #29 .5ml .5" insulin syringe. Inject in the vastus lateralis and carefully avoid veins in the skin.

example: I found that .28mg (0.14ml) injected EOD feels the best in terms of consistent levels. Tried 0.07ml ED and that was not as good. Weekly injections are hormone roller coasters that leave you empty for the 2nd half of the week.

Docs who want injections every two weeks need to find another profession.

Costs: most pharmacies are very expensive. But at Sam's club (USA) with a business membership, 10,000 IU HCG costs $16.25, 10ml of 200mg/ml test cyp costs $42-43. So that's all cheap. Insulin syringes are $100 per box of 100. 100 23 gauge 3ml 1.5" are $18. The major costs will be lab work and doctor consults. Transdermals are very expensive, if not covered by insurance, you had better go with injections. Arimidex is very expensive, $8-10 per 1mg tablet and most insurance probably does not cover. So "research chems" at a fraction of the cost may be your only option, even if you have a script in hand.

TRT can be the beginning of a much better life.

Wait a minute! I want to make sure I understand.

Low dosage test wiil result in your testicles not producing testo and they will shrink?

I disagree and I'm looking at the evidence right now. So is my devoted SO who had her brains fucked out Friday and Sat night , thank you very much. My testes have never shrunk on either HRT or a cycle. Never. There is fluctuation, but every male has that.

On top of this, my blood test panels say my levels are above the range in both cases. I also have plenty of very fertile swimmers as I am a tested donor for a bank.

Remember, I'm 63 and should have no action at all. Instead, I'm functioning extremely well thanks in a great part to modern thinking at the University of Michigan and my Doctor.

What don't I understand or fail to see?

 

[tommyguns2]

Sounds like you have an HPTA that operates differently than most, which is a good thing for you! But when you say that you haven't experienced any shrinkage even on cycle, I'm assuming that you equate lack of shrinkage with lack of shutdown, which may be correct. However, for most people, a cycle will certainly shut you down and cause testicular atrophy, and low dose test can shut down at least some of us.

I don't think that HPTA shutdown = loss of libido. After all, you could be on 1g test per week, be completely shut down re your HPTA, and have an excellent libido due to the large amount of exogenous test.

I think a low doese HCG is a relatively simple and inexpensive addition to HRT/TRT. I think throwing that in the mix would be helpful to many and harmful to no one. I think you need to keep the HCG dose low (below 500IUs) to prevent the leydig cells from becoming desensitized.

Just my $0.02.

Wait a minute! I want to make sure I understand.

Low dosage test wiil result in your testicles not producing testo and they will shrink?

I disagree and I'm looking at the evidence right now. So is my devoted SO who had her brains fucked out Friday and Sat night , thank you very much. My testes have never shrunk on either HRT or a cycle. Never. There is fluctuation, but every male has that.

On top of this, my blood test panels say my levels are above the range in both cases. I also have plenty of very fertile swimmers as I am a tested donor for a bank.

Remember, I'm 63 and should have no action at all. Instead, I'm functioning extremely well thanks in a great part to modern thinking at the University of Michigan and my Doctor.

What don't I understand or fail to see?

 

[MADBALL99]

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