yet another Newbie Dbol only cycle questions

[BallysAddict]

I've been working out for almost a year sometimes going twice a week up to 5-6 times a week. Mostly doing the usual muscle groups, but also throwing some cardio in there as well. When I first started i weighed arouns 220 and feel like ive come a long way naturally so far. The only max I have at this point is bench and thats anywhere from 230-250 depending on how im feelin that day (i know i know nothing special...). Anyways I want to finally try some Dbol that I can get from a friend of mine. I've been researching it off and on for a few months on this website, but am still confused i think. This would be my cycle, so far. Let me know what is wrong and what i need to change to get an effective cycel. By the way, the Dbol is oral, i hate needles.

1st week: 10mg Dbol
2nd-5th week: 25mg Dbol
6th week: 10mg Dbol

While im taking the Dbol, I will obviously need and anti-e and some milk thistle from what ive read. Most people have been taking Nolva for the anti-e correct? Then for the PCT ive heard so many thing i dont even know where to start. I know Nolva, Clomid, and possibly HCG are pretty common. How much of this do i take per day and for how long after my last week being "on". What about Hawthorn Berry and Saw Palmetto in the PCT as well? Let me know, help me out here.

 

[Neo22]

You just need to inject some steel cut oats and quit being a pussy. Stay away from an oral only first cycle. If you are going to do it, do it RIGHT the first time.

 

[RuckstaR]

If you have only been working out for a year, then you should not be thinking of gear just yet, you have alot of natural gains ahead of you, that can be boosted with OTC stuff like creatine etc. However, you didn't ask if you should, so back on topic.....

I would get rid of the ramping, (it's benefit has basicly been proven pointless) and stay with a steady 20mg dose for the whole time.

I would have nolva on hand incase gyno pops up, but with dbol dosages that low you shouldnt need to take an anti-E throughout the cycle.

Take Milk Thistle with ALA and/or NAC all at 1g a day to protect your liver throughout your cycle.

Hawthorne berry and SP are not for PCT, those are support supps that would be great to take during your cycle the same as milk thistle etc.

As far as PCT goes, for your cycle I would use a nolva only PCT. 40mg/day for 2 weeks, and then 20mg/day for 2 weeks. A good solid PCT combined with some creatine, tons of quality food and rest, plus intensity in the gym will allow you to keep a better part of your gains. Cheers

 

[YankeesMan]

You just need to inject some steel cut oats and quit being a pussy. Stay away from an oral only first cycle. If you are going to do it, do it RIGHT the first time.

Is this really nescessary or helpful?

 

[swordfish151]

interesting...how old are you chief? Let me be honest with you...no one will recommend an oral cyle only...Test should be your first cycle...yes that means injecting....if your affraid of needles..then you should not be messing or thinking about steriods. Another thing...a couple of months of research wont do you any good...man there are some guys on here that have researched aas for years until they came to the sound choice of going forth with it.....INJECT or step DOWN!

 

[tahoe2003]

what's the sideeffects of dbol

 

[Makavelli]

interesting...how old are you chief? Let me be honest with you...no one will recommend an oral cyle only...Test should be your first cycle...yes that means injecting....if your affraid of needles..then you should not be messing or thinking about steriods. Another thing...a couple of months of research wont do you any good...man there are some guys on here that have researched aas for years until they came to the sound choice of going forth with it.....INJECT or step DOWN!

Yep. I've been training since I was 12 and researched AAS for years B4 I finally took the plunge when I was 27.

 

[BallysAddict]

I'm 20 years old.

I'll most likely go to injections if I like what I see after this cycle of Dbol. Ya I know no one likes the oral stuff, but look at Bluesman in the other recent thread, his thread has encouraged me and he started at only 5mg!! I have to be honest, i think part of the "inject or step down" stuff is superiority complex. Just because you can inject doesnt make u some badass bodybuilder. I understand that oral AAS are worse for you and might not give the gains of injection, but Im going to work with what i got. I need some more comments/help on my cycle, besides the bashing, thanks!

RuckStar, thanks for the great info!

 

[monkey arms]

Go for it! Expect to have marginal gains in size and strength and be ready to return to your previous size and strength with in a few weeks after stopping.

 

[Zell959]

I have to be honest, i think part of the "inject or step down" stuff is superiority complex.

I really don't think that's true. It's because a lot of people remember when they were only willing to consider oral cycles and most of that came from just a fear of injections or just not knowing enough. So when someone shows up saying they only want to run an oral cycle, most guys will say go back to the drawing board and consider injectibles in hopes of getting you to do a little more much needed research.

 

[khemix]

you gotta be shitting me. I'm so sick of theres dbol only cycle threads. Christ do some research already. NO you shouldn't use any kind of gear. When you've been training SERIOUSLY for over 3 years, at 5 days a week constantly, then you might want to start to consider it. Stop trying to take the easy way out and put your fuckin balls to the wall naturally.

Chris

 

[BallysAddict]

^ Many many many people use oral only cycles, so do us all a favor and stop posting in my thread. Moving on, how does my cycle look. Im going to take ORAL Dbol either way, so you guys might as well tell me how to do it the safest and most effective way. Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Tux]

Tell us how you REALLY feel Khemix

 

[bicepts101]

^ Many many many people use oral only cycles, so do us all a favor and stop posting in my thread. Moving on, how does my cycle look. Im going to take ORAL Dbol either way, so you guys might as well tell me how to do it the safest and most effective way. Any help would be appreciated.

from a bodybuilding perspective, an oral only cycle is not amoung the optimal choices

 

[BallysAddict]

I dont want to be a bodybuilder tho. I'm a 20 year old college student looking to bulk up and gain strength, not compete for the gold or anything ya know. Just looking for that edge

 

[khemix]

^ Many many many people use oral only cycles, so do us all a favor and stop posting in my thread. Moving on, how does my cycle look. Im going to take ORAL Dbol either way, so you guys might as well tell me how to do it the safest and most effective way. Any help would be appreciated.

Alright here is what i think you should do.

Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, Weeks 1-6

Tapering doesn't make a difference with orals really. Throughout the entire cycle you should be taking lots of Tylers Liver Detox and milk thistle to help your liver out.. If you don't want the bloat from the dbol (which is what 80% of your gains will be)take 25-50mg of proviron ed throughout.

You should stick with the normal clomid regiment for PCT and if you want your nuts to drop back down quicker, throw in some HCG but I'm not sure off-hand at what IU though.

Enjoy...

Chris

(edit: PS. How old are you....?)

 

[bicepts101]

I dont want to be a bodybuilder tho. I'm a 20 year old college student looking to bulk up and gain strength, not compete for the gold or anything ya know. Just looking for that edge

well the goal of a bodybuilder is to pack on muscle also...the hard part is accually keeping the muscle on after you come off. its very hard to keep the muscle you gain on dbol. it bloats you up and gets you mega strong. then you stop taking it and lose the water and strength...its hard on the mind. regardless the muscle is very difficult to keep.

if you are stuck on doing an oral only cycle go with winstrol...you wont be disapointed..

 

[khemix]

Tell us how you REALLY feel Khemix

 

[swordfish151]

I'm 20 years old.

I'll most likely go to injections if I like what I see after this cycle of Dbol. Ya I know no one likes the oral stuff, but look at Bluesman in the other recent thread, his thread has encouraged me and he started at only 5mg!! I have to be honest, i think part of the "inject or step down" stuff is superiority complex. Just because you can inject doesnt make u some badass bodybuilder. I understand that oral AAS are worse for you and might not give the gains of injection, but Im going to work with what i got. I need some more comments/help on my cycle, besides the bashing, thanks!

RuckStar, thanks for the great info!

there is such a thing as consrtuctive critique and bashing bro...dont get the 2 confused...its reality...your here to learn right? so take the majority of advice being thrown your way...no one here has a superiority complex, because if i did..i wouldnt bother with your newbie question...let you sink and watch you come crying on how you fucked up...but we are here to learn...from one another..look at it that way..if your here to get people to agree with you...then dont ask.

 

[khemix]

there is such a thing as consrtuctive critique and bashing bro...dont get the 2 confused...its reality...your here to learn right? so take the majority of advice being thrown your way...no one here has a superiority complex, because if i did..i wouldnt bother with your newbie question...let you sink and watch you come crying on how you fucked up...but we are here to learn...from one another..look at it that way..if your here to get people to agree with you...then dont ask.

Couldn't have said it better myself....

Chris

 

[BallysAddict]

Why should i take winstrol over dbol? same mg/day ? same PCT and all?

 

[Bruce]

injecting is not a superiority complex you moron, its what serious lifters who don't want to damage their livers do, also if you ever want any quality gains you have to inject, no one gives a shit about you remember that, so if you want advice don't go nuts when people tell you the truth that you don't want to hear, learn how to lift, than eat, then see if you can stick a dart in your ass

 

[khemix]

Why should i take winstrol over dbol? same mg/day ? same PCT and all?

So how old are ya? I'm assuming 18 or under...

 

[BallysAddict]

Ive already said like twice in this thread, im 20. And thanks for the laugh Bruce410, you're a funny guy...

 

[gymboy70]

Bro - you need to train for a few years before doing the juice

 

[Bruce]

Ive already said like twice in this thread, im 20. And thanks for the laugh Bruce410, you're a funny guy...

i know how funny i am but i also know that it took 4 years of serious weight lifting for me to reach a limit that i couldn't break, then i took no2 otc from gnc, which i think you should try first, put on a little more muscle, then turned to juice, and my diet and work ethic allowed me to put on 17 lbs on just deca this past 12 weeks, i call it my first cycle cause it is the first time i did it right. listen to these guys if you wanna look awesome, don't take dbol, you will look great for a month after and then it goes away, take some eq for 14 weeks injecting twice a week, its nothing, and you can keep a good 15-20 pounds of solid shredded muscle, its what you want and its what girls want, i am only taking the time to write this because it took a lot for me to start growing good muscle and you should do it right. if your gonna take my time and others who are genius's on these topics, then listen. and if you must do oral juice, i will tell you this, get some anavar and train like crazy, it is the safest oral, and it will help your tendons grow stronger as well. if you eat right you can bulk with any juice, dbol is done. pm me if you want to quality info, i will save you the time of researching this once because i don't want to see a 20 year old go down the shitter cause of lack of knowledge. you made the right first step in coming here, now make the second and listen, like i said if you have to juice get var, and pm me and i can tell you where to research it

 

[Steve The Bluesman]

Alright here is what i think you should do.

Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, Weeks 1-6

Tapering doesn't make a difference with orals really. Throughout the entire cycle you should be taking lots of Tylers Liver Detox and milk thistle to help your liver out.. If you don't want the bloat from the dbol (which is what 80% of your gains will be)take 25-50mg of proviron ed throughout.

You should stick with the normal clomid regiment for PCT and if you want your nuts to drop back down quicker, throw in some HCG but I'm not sure off-hand at what IU though.

Enjoy...

Chris

(edit: PS. How old are you....?)

What he said..but I am using the proviron in the last two weeks of the Dbol, then switching to Winny for the final two weeks hopefully for elimination of the majority of the water weight.

I tapered up, but I am not going to taper down. I only drastically tapered up becuase I wanted to make sure my body wouldn't revolt, so I started at very low doseages. If I were to do it again, I would start at 20, wait for gains to slow, then up to 25...For safety reasons, I will personally not go higher than that.

BTW, after 25 days, my nuts are still big and round, and my nipples flat and hard, but YMMV.

And thanks to the OP for giving my log props, but please understand I did a lot of research, have been lifting for over 20 years, and started with a strong base of lean muscle. I hope the young guys don't look at my log and think low dosages will give you an easy 12 pounds of muscle in 3 weeks. I am working hard and eating clean, but like a madman. I am eating, sleeping and breathing this cycle 24 hours a day, and to be honest, I am looking forward to the end. Insomnia, zits and back pumps can get a little old.

Dbol only is not easy - you have to make your body as efficient as it can be at making muscle, and you have to protect it as well. I agree with bicepts101, orals are not the best choice, but they are a choice that many take regardless - best to give them accurate information, becuase bros are going to do it either way.

Good luck,


Bluesman

 

[pudding]

Alright here is what i think you should do.

Dbol, 25-30mg/ed, Weeks 1-6

Tapering doesn't make a difference with orals really. Throughout the entire cycle you should be taking lots of Tylers Liver Detox and milk thistle to help your liver out.. If you don't want the bloat from the dbol (which is what 80% of your gains will be)take 25-50mg of proviron ed throughout.

You should stick with the normal clomid regiment for PCT and if you want your nuts to drop back down quicker, throw in some HCG but I'm not sure off-hand at what IU though.

Enjoy...

Chris

(edit: PS. How old are you....?)

This sounds like my exact cycle I'm on now