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chazk said:
thanks for the info read rbc counts were high with EQ but never read that about anavar.


*******......i think there is more there than just RBC turnover, there needs to be a LOT of red cell death to get jaundiced from the billi unless there is something else going on........*******

The doctors said red blood cells to many dying off so fast the liver and gall bladder cant handle it...he did mention the doc said that his gall bladder might have a duct blocked with a gallbladder stone or a liver duct clogged with iron or some kinda heavey metal.... jason goes in for more testing..
but so far the docs point to high red blood cells death and the ultrasound didnt pick up swelling or a blockage....

2 gallons of distilled water a day is what he was told to do after two days in the hospital...he actually checked himself out after the nurse saidall they are gonna do is keep you in here a week and put you on IV drips no medications will help only make it worse.they didnt want him to leave he could not afford the Er and high priced medical bills already spending 6,000$ no insurance.
He met up with a liver specialist that did more blood work and looked at the test the specialist thinks its just old redblood cells dyinga nd cant make it through the liver fast enough and a possible gall bladder block.But he isnt getting worse and his rbc has gone down from the first day to 3 days later as if its getting better....I guess in 3-5 more days he will know or not..

I guess its possible, nothing is impossible in medicine, but usually you would need massive cell death to do this, like drug induced hemolysis....Thing is, i doubt any of the drugs he took would increase his RBCs THAT much, enough so where normal cell turnover would produce prehepatic jaundice.
 
bigrand said:
I guess its possible, nothing is impossible in medicine, but usually you would need massive cell death to do this, like drug induced hemolysis....Thing is, i doubt any of the drugs he took would increase his RBCs THAT much, enough so where normal cell turnover would produce prehepatic jaundice.

I called him around 6 today to get more info
he had a sonargram the images were of his liver and gallbladder the ducts are not clogged going to the gall bladder from the liver but a duct comming out of the gallbladder seems to be blocked not all the way but a slight blockage.
not a gallbladder stone but seems the walls of the duct are covered with thick stuff making the exit smaller this is cuasing the fluids back up through the gallbladder unto the liver.

the doc seems to think its the bile increase trying to destroy the old dead rbc's

I dont know what is going to happen next
 
chazk said:
I called him around 6 today to get more info
he had a sonargram the images were of his liver and gallbladder the ducts are not clogged going to the gall bladder from the liver but a duct comming out of the gallbladder seems to be blocked not all the way but a slight blockage.
not a gallbladder stone but seems the walls of the duct are covered with thick stuff making the exit smaller this is cuasing the fluids back up through the gallbladder unto the liver.

the doc seems to think its the bile increase trying to destroy the old dead rbc's

I dont know what is going to happen next

But bile doesnt break down billirubin?
Strictures are one of the causes for cholestatic jaundice, similar to what you are describing with his ducts?
 
bigrand said:
But bile doesnt break down billirubin?
Strictures are one of the causes for cholestatic jaundice, similar to what you are describing with his ducts?

im not sure thats what he told me the gall bladder was backing up not allowing the liver to drain the dead red blood cells fast enough so they were circulating around in his body leaving pigment in his skin and eyes..
something about bile was making his pop grey

i'm gonna see him tommarrow and get a exact discription of what going on. he is really tired and dose not speak to loud he is trying to recover so i might have mis heard something or he might have said something incorrect.hes kinda out of it .really tired
 
Bile is the stuff that makes your poop brown, so when the liver stops puting bile through the billiary system, no brown, grey shit. If there was no blockage, all that billi would be carried through...making shit brown.

Let him recover for now, the drugs are done and im sure hes getting bloodwork to see whats going on, from the S/S youve told me though, i think it more that just extra RBC breakdown. I get very analytical about this shit as you can see.
 
chazk said:
wow guys I didnt know it was so serious .I just called him and he is afraid to go and tell the doctor what happened.... he asked what drug would a doc perscribe or what would the doc suggest him to do.

I'm gonna tell him just fucking go to the doc and find out ...i dont know if he has insurnace but geeze only 50 bucks for a walk doc and some meds is better then having liver failure


They will tell him to goto the ER if he is jaundiced already.
 
Zircon said:
...and here's a prime example of why ppl slate steroids.

of course used responsibly this won't happen. but no. there's always some fukkin loser who has to do this, run to ER then blame it on the roids.

Tell your buddy to blame it on himself. He's fukkin stupid.

hope he gets better tho. THen he can blame roids all he likes and we can laff at his sorry ass when he goes from 220 to 130 pounds.
Your an idiot
 
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