Wow, this forum is horrible.

[Deleted member 33117]

I've been scanning this forum for a few minutes and I'm in total shock. Most of the people here would do well to read peer review journals, talk to serious bodybuilders to find out what they actually do, and take a few nutrition classes. Most suppliments cost a fortune, and offer very little, if any benefits to you. They are a market ploy to deprive the gullible of their hard-earned $$$. Fish oil, creatine monohydrate (yes the cheap stuff not Cell Tech), ephedra and some vitamins have benefits, but these prohormones, exotic amino-acid mixes, special creatine blends and such that you guys are wracking your brians trying to get info on are a waste of time.

I have always considered EF to be a source for the sharing of information and truth. What I'm seeing here, with the exception of a few threads, is very much the oposite. Its rather shocking to say the least. Could I get a few of the better known gurus and experts to back me on this?

 

[mrzap]

I think it does boil down to a solid proven supplement core of whey, creatine, and EFA's. All this other stuff is speculative.

I did see amazing results on PH's though so you can knock it all you want. I saw results and no harmful sides.

Got any peer review journals you can link up?

 

[Deleted member 33117]

NO, I have access to peer reviews at the university library. There is alot of info out there show some problems with PH's lately. Alot of them have dianabol in them. LoL That could account for the gains some people claim onthem, but they are paying ALOT more their dbol than they would on the black market. The trent of mixing illegal steroids into suppliments is coming back into popularity. It is the only way to make their crap effective.

There is alot of research showing calcium to have some positive fat burning and muscle building benefits, so calcium tablets could be added to the list of effective one's. Though, the results are more pronouced if dairy products are used rather than pills, so it goes back to the usual advice from most gurus: real food beast most suppliments hands down. Glutamine, arganine, CLA and alot of the other stuff out, is showing nothing positive as of yet.

 

[Sir Foxx]

Name one PH that has Dianabol in it. One.

 

[mrzap]

CLA is bs imo. Glutamine maybe in theory...

 

[ohashi]

CLA is bs imo.

And this wonderful opinion is based on your unlimited knowledge of the subject, which you are about to impart upon us?

 

[BlkWS6]

BBF: I normally like to read your posts in the Training forum, but dont you think this one is kinda useless? It would be much cooler to see you intervene in some of these threads you would consider "bs" and give us your point of view on the matter rather then just start a blanket statement "this forums sucks" thread. Oh yeah, and your point of view with some sort of evidence to back it up of course. Not a flame bro, but just a suggestion that I think would be more beneficial to everyone.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

The theory behind glutamine is good, until viewed under closer examination. When you buy l-glutamine it is a free amino acid. The cells of the intestine love glutamine and will readily absorbe it as fuel. WHen you take in L-glutamine, the intestine walls absorb and use 95% of it for fuel, leaving a very small amount to enter the bloodstream. Now, peptide bonded glutamine is on the market, because the absorbsion rate into the bloodstream is 10 time that of the free amino acid. Sounds great, but this stuff is pricey. What does peptide bonded mean? It means it isn't free, and is part of a protien, thus bonded to other amino acids. Glutamine is claimed, truthfully, to be the most abundant amino acid in muscle tissue. Mean, there is a great deal of peptide bonded glutamine in a 16 oz steak. Most serious bodybuilders are going to be eating a MINIMUM of 2 ibs of meat a day, though 4-6 is more common for some of us. There are only 20 amino acids. So if a ibs of lean meat has roughly 100 grams of protien, and glutamine is more abundant that any other amino acid, it probably makes up roughtly 10% of that protien. That would be 10 grams of peptide bonded glutamine in each ibs, and at 2+ ibs a day, that would mean one is eating 20+ grams of this high priced suppliment every day.

 

[ZKaudio]

This forum used to be a lot faster and have better responses. Mr. X. was a huge asset as well and he doesn't post here quite as often now. Seems like every forum except for chat has slowed down... chat is still killin it though wewt wewt.

 

[mrzap]

And this wonderful opinion is based on your unlimited knowledge of the subject, which you are about to impart upon us?

I have used it twice both at the recommended and doubled dosages with no noticable improvement. Therefore, in my opinion, it sucks.

All the studies in its effectiveness in humans that I have seen are inconclusive.

Do what you want though