Would use of AAS benefit my situation.

[rvboy]

rvboy,

I didnt mean that I had dropped to 10% BF, what I meant is that I have dropped about 10%. I know my method is probably incorrect but at least it is consistently incorrect and it sais that I have gone form about 32-34 to about 24%. Sorry if I was unclear, if I weree at 10% BFI wouldn't be here, I would be running through the streets naked in joy!!

BTW I used a blood pressure machine that also record BF to record my BF...

Sorry Acclu My bad, I wasn't reading your original post clearly. Anyways, your progress so far is outstanding. Keep plugging away. Take it to the next level. Clean the diet up even more. Pick up the cardio hardcore, and let's see what you really can do with those genetics of yours. Keep us posted!

 

[Mavy]

Damn acclu97, .... you just made my day. You will find that people on this board just love to help newbies like you. Your not an idiot, you have some priorities straight, your trying to improve yourself and you are not impatient. That is very important, and I think that you will reach your fitness goals. Your determination seems to be in line, you just have to stay dedicated.

So ... very brave of you to post your pics, and congrads on the progress so far. You are a classic Endomorph. ("Soft Looking", usually not ripped at all. Round face, short neck, wide hips, heavy fat storage). These are your genetics and you will have to work with them. Obviously your training and diet is going to always be different then and Ectomorph who struggles to put on a pound of muscle or fat at that. But just remember that under that fat is a solid frame of muscle.

I agree with JA and Citruscide at the moment, you should be researching as much as possible about different training methods and different diets, see what works for you, and dont be scared to change things up a bit (experiment with your body to find what works best). Your diet and supps do not look all that bad right now, but there are a few things that you could change.

I would suggest a high volume high intensity weight training program (HST, or a supersetting program of sometype with very little rest between sets that keeps your heart rate high) with about 3 40 min cardio sessions per week. A very strict clean diet and plenty of rest. I think that as long as you stay consistant and dont fall into anymore pits that you will be very satisfied with the results you will recieve. And trust me ... the more you start seeing results, the less likely you are to slack off. It becomes very addicting.

Now ... do I think that you are a good candidate for AAS usage? Yes ... but just not yet. Most people will say to workout for at least another year natural, and I will probably get flamed for mentioning this, and I usually never do, but I think that if you keep seeing the results that you have so fay naturally, you could do a mild cycle withing the year. You ultimately have to see how your progress goes. If you really put your head down and went balls to the wall all winter, and got your bf down and strength up, I dont think that it would hurt to run a mild cycle in the spring right before summer. Again, this would all depend on your progress up until then. 8 months of training would take you almost up until May. If your progress has been sweet, then I would say that you would be safe to run a "mild" cycle, to compliment your training. I am not even gonna get into suggesting one for you because it is to far away from now, and I dont want you to jump the gun early. I will say that you should stay away from any drugs that cause bloat, and go for a "lean gain" type of cycle. Like I say though, that is a long ways away from now. Just put your head down and go hard bro. Remember that healthy body = healthy mind. It will all come together for you.

Good luck,
Mavy

 

[AleaveR]

Mavy,

Thank you for your compliments and for such an amazing and thorough reply. You are absolutely right when you said that considering actual drugs right now is not a good idea. I really like your idea of a mild cycle right before summer and have actually thought of it myself. In a way, I can even use that as a motivation. If I can stay on my program and stick with it until late spring, I can then reward myself with a mild cyle right before summer and IMO, this will only motivate me even more there after.

But again, that is still a long way from now and who knows, I might be so happy with my results from now to late spring that I might not even wat to do cycle then. For now I am just going to continue doing what I am doing and tweak my program to find out what is truly best for me.

As a matter of fact, I have been doing a different workout style than what you mentioned and wonder if your idea would help. Anyways, I guess this isnt the forum for training questions so I will post something on that subject in the proper forum.

Again, thank you for such a complete reply! I am not sure what karma is or how to give it, but if you let me know, I will definately pass some of that to you....

 

[Dr. M]

acc -

first of all, congratulations on having balls of steel to post your pics. Also, nice work not being a retarded newbie with an attitude - you're living, breathing proof that not all newbies are jackasses.

In keeping with Mavy's suggestion of a mild cycle, if you have the money get your hands on some legit anavar (oxandrolone). A mild var cycle would be excellent and in keeping with your goals of fat loss and overall body composition change. Var would allow you to eat a catabolism-promoting diet and still (ideally) keep a positive nitrogen balance, without the water retention of something like dianabol (methandrostenolone). Positive nitrogen balance means retention of LBM; retention of LBM means better basal metabolism; better basal metabolism means better fat burning.

You're well on your way bro... keep up the good work! If you want to see what a fellow endomorph did with years of hard work and training (about 9 in total, but realistically I was too young and stupid for about 4 of them; call it 5 years of focussed training and discipline), e-mail me at [email protected] and I'll send you a pic. I might even post it here on EF at a later point... we'll see.

Regards,
-M

 

[Goldprospector]

acc-
You seem like you have been hard at it and are very interested in improving yourself. Kudo's for the hard work so far. I may be a bit out of line by saying this but I hope you can understand where I am coming from. I have weighed in at 265lb and was pretty large around the middle and I have experimented with about every diet plan out there. I may get flamed, but I do not agree with the 5 - 7 meals ED while strict dieting....It is too hard to overeat (cals) while losing weight. You really need to be in a calorie deficient state to lose weigh and cardio speeds the proscess. If you want the fat off first then back off on the meals, cals, and be very very careful with fruit! It is far better than junk food (NO DOUBT) but they can still pack on the pounds. Green veggies are great, but go in moderation on the fruit.
If you can speed walk twice a day @ 20 minutes each time and get into a target Heart rate zone each walk, then you will shed pound like dog sheds fur. Try for a target rate of double your resting heart rate with a calorie deficient diet and you will be pleased. Add some low weight high intensity weight training and you will be doubly impressed!

Just MHO.

 

[AleaveR]

Dr M

Well I am glad I am not one of those "newbie jackasses" but I completely understand what you are saying, some of the questions that I have seen others post are...hmmmm, interesting to be polite.

But anyways, about oxandralone, that might definately be a possibility of what I can use but right now I am going to try to keep going without anything until late spring and then re-evaluate. Either way, I would like to learn about some of the physiological benefits seen with certain AAS. I guess now that anavar has been mentioned, I will do some research. I looked through one of the computer programs and they provide me with at the College of Pharmacy and researched a bit on the drug.

Basically, this is what I have picked up on what makes the drug special: Its a testosterone derivative that has had a methyl group removed at c19 position (I saw ur a biochemist so I am sure you understand) resulting in less androgenic effects and more anabolic effects. --> I take it this is why there would be less water retention and why it would be considered mild with less side effects that are often seen due to the adndrogenic properties of AAS. Do you have any other info on anavar that wouldnt be mentioned in my program?

 

[Dr. M]

The most significant property of oxandrolone is its 2-oxo nature. Replacing tetravalent carbon with divalent oxygen prevents aromatization of the A ring and thus conversion to estrogen.

Good idea to stay natural until spring; no need to rush right into things. However, if a light cycle seems appealing to you, I don't think low-dose (20 mg/day maybe) var would really hurt.

And now, I'm going to bed.

-M

 

[AleaveR]

Dr M,

Thanks for the reply, that was definately a more complete response than my prgram gave me. I bet you could really help me with my Medicinal Chemistry problems....hmmm....i'm sure I will be emailing you with some HW questions in the future...haha

 

[jubei]

Strict diet, 5 days/week in the gym and a good anti-catabolic (clen or kynoselen) You have NO NEED FOR STEROIDS at this point in time.

 

[Judo Tom]

Congratulations on the progress just keep it up!

You seem to have the right idea just keep focusing on diet and training those are the two biggest factors in losing weight for you right now. Your supp list looks good and there is probably no need to spend money on other products at this point but if your into trying different chemicals then you might experiment but just remember that the results really come from the diet and exercise.

I am not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but you might want to up your protein intake a bit more this might/should help you hold on to more muscle as you continue to loose weight.

what are you doing for cardio? most here would probably suggest a HIIT program

what are you doing for your lifting routine?

Good Luck and keep up the hard work!