would it be a waste???

[wootoom]

i was going to add 10mg/ed of Dbol in with my 75mg/ed of Var. would that be a waste??

 

[help4john]

No....not considering the fact that many use 10mg DBOL as a bridge. Sorry....don't like the idea of two orals together though (even a low doses).

 

[wootoom]

whats the difference though?? there both 17alkaylated var and dbol are going to hurt you the same as var and var. its just the doses.

 

[Fastlane]

go for it, I would. How long are you going to run it though?

 

[wootoom]

8-10 weeks. i got good liver supps. what are the odds of gyno at 10mg/ed??? never done dbol.

 

[UA_Iron]

8-10 weeks. i got good liver supps. what are the odds of gyno at 10mg/ed??? never done dbol.

probably not too high - but thats just speculation. The only way to know is to try it and see. Have an aromatase inhibitor and anti-e on hand.

 

[alltraps]

8-10 weeks. i got good liver supps. what are the odds of gyno at 10mg/ed??? never done dbol.

honestly, if 10mg of dbol gives you gyno, you shouldnt ever ever ever touch ANY AAS.

 

[gsdpharma]

8-10 weeks of 2 orals might be pushin it, even with milkthistle, etc..
dbol can get the nips sensitive at 10mg and up, everybody's different
I would keep some arimidex onhand in case you get the sensations

 

[wootoom]

yes arimadex would be on hand

 

[UA_Iron]

here's an idea

get your liver values and lipid panel tested before and after your 8 week cycle. I have a feeling your lipids will be wrecked - but thats not a big deal. The interesting part would be the liver values.

 

[LVTitan]

im scared of Dbol. i might just stick to the var. i couldnt live with myself if i got gyno

i highly doubt you will see any sides at 10mg /day... i believe it was mavy that had a few threads about "dvar" as he called it...sounded like a good idea,he has more info on it...

 

[wootoom]

i dont get why people say its bad to do 2 different orals?????? why the heck would it matter. if both doses are reasonable it doesnt matter each drug will effect you the same way. 85mg/ed of var is the same thing as 75mg/ed Var+10mg/ed of Dbol. same thing

 

[UA_Iron]

i dont get why people say its bad to do 2 different orals?????? why the heck would it matter. if both doses are reasonable it doesnt matter each drug will effect you the same way. 85mg/ed of var is the same thing as 75mg/ed Var+10mg/ed of Dbol. same thing

because people just usually parrot what others have said?

 

[glennds]

wootoom i did a cycle of dbol only out for six weeks but sort of by default. i was waiting for test/eq/var to come in and they were delayed for a few months.

anyhow, dbol is fun and you will see some quick gains but they will go away just as quick. i did not have "lower back pumps" as i have read so much about on this board. never understood what lower back pumps were anyhow.

i would not do dbol again. i just felt kind of strange and bloated (which i wasn't) on them. maybe it was psychosomatic. i just don't like dbol.

 

[BionicBC]

honestly, if 10mg of dbol gives you gyno, you shouldnt ever ever ever touch ANY AAS.

fo sho.

 

[wls8687]

Gyno at 10 mg is very rare, but using two 17-aa orals aren't good even tho you have all the milk thistle in the world.. but if you want i say go for it because the D-bol will make you feel alot better and improve the pumps in a way Anavar doesent.

 

[biggeek]

wootoom.. i was planning on running "supervar" or "extra strength var" in a few weeks as well.. hadn't decided on my doses yet.. but probably something like.. 20mgdbol/20mg var.. for 4-5 weeks.. then 10mgdbol/30mg var.. for 2-3 weeks.. and then finish with just var to help with the lean mass gains.. i've got arimidex on hand for the dbol.. and nolva for gyno.. but i don't see it being too much of a problem.. i'm not really wanting to push the dbol.. just allow the dbol to put some mass on me.. and let the var take over and make it more permanent so to speak.. i've heard nothing but good things about this combo and it seems like an amazing idea.. and it would not be that hard on the liver.. considering how many orals many other people take.. but once i start the cycle and get some time under my belt i will post my results and feedback on it so everyone can finally know how good "supervar" really is.. good luck man.. let us know if you try it soon

 

[wootoom]

i will biggeek. thanks for the input everyone. ya your right people just parrot other people. good point your exactly right

 

[sinister]

Think of what happens when you take an oral it has to pass through your liver which breaks it down and through your kidneys. 10mgs is a small amount on the avergae for guys who have done more than 1 or 2 cycles, but even this small amount can affect your Liver Function Tests( LFT ).When you pass to much through the liver it causes a strain to its function, something you do not want to do. Some damage is ir-reversible. Now think of when you put two orals in at one time you are making the liver do double time. It is def worth passing on.

 

[biggeek]

Think of what happens when you take an oral it has to pass through your liver which breaks it down and through your kidneys. 10mgs is a small amount on the avergae for guys who have done more than 1 or 2 cycles, but even this small amount can affect your Liver Function Tests( LFT ).When you pass to much through the liver it causes a strain to its function, something you do not want to do. Some damage is ir-reversible. Now think of when you put two orals in at one time you are making the liver do double time. It is def worth passing on.

But what your not seeming to get.. is all oral steroids are 17aa.. and some prescription meds are as well.. because it can survive the liver and a much much higher percentage of the medication or drug will enter the blood stream... BUT.. in making these medications and drugs 17aa.. it will put a severe beating on your liver.. and yes.. even 10mg of any 17aa will more than likely affect liver values.. BUT.. here's the point me and Wootom are trying to make.. it's the 17aa of the certain drug that hurts the liver.. not really the drug itself.. so in saying that.. 50mg of dbol.. 50mg Var.. 50mg winny.. all have around the same affect on the liver.. per se.. most orals have the same affect on liver.. some being slightly harsher.. but making something 17aa is the same across the board.. so taking 25mg of dbol and 25mg of var.. yes.. two orals.. BUT.. the liver only processes 50mg of any 17aa's.. which is not THAT much in comparison to most oral cycles.. it's not the amount of orals the liver has to break down.. but how many of them are 17aa.. as bodybuilders and what not.. we take things ALL the time that the liver has to break down but no one says a THING about those.. multivitamin's.. antioxidants.. creatine.. glutamine.. CLA.. EFA's.. tylenol.. ibuprofen.. hell.. this is just a short list of the things i can think of off this list.. make those things 17aa.. and your talking just about as much liver damage as an oral steroid.. get my point now?? ha ha.. anyway.. hope everyone is clear on this and we can all stop posting about it..

-BigGeek-

 

[DIVISION]

But what your not seeming to get.. is all oral steroids are 17aa.. and some prescription meds are as well.. because it can survive the liver and a much much higher percentage of the medication or drug will enter the blood stream... BUT.. in making these medications and drugs 17aa.. it will put a severe beating on your liver.. and yes.. even 10mg of any 17aa will more than likely affect liver values.. BUT.. here's the point me and Wootom are trying to make.. it's the 17aa of the certain drug that hurts the liver.. not really the drug itself.. so in saying that.. 50mg of dbol.. 50mg Var.. 50mg winny.. all have around the same affect on the liver.. per se.. most orals have the same affect on liver.. some being slightly harsher.. but making something 17aa is the same across the board.. so taking 25mg of dbol and 25mg of var.. yes.. two orals.. BUT.. the liver only processes 50mg of any 17aa's.. which is not THAT much in comparison to most oral cycles.. it's not the amount of orals the liver has to break down.. but how many of them are 17aa.. as bodybuilders and what not.. we take things ALL the time that the liver has to break down but no one says a THING about those.. multivitamin's.. antioxidants.. creatine.. glutamine.. CLA.. EFA's.. tylenol.. ibuprofen.. hell.. this is just a short list of the things i can think of off this list.. make those things 17aa.. and your talking just about as much liver damage as an oral steroid.. get my point now?? ha ha.. anyway.. hope everyone is clear on this and we can all stop posting about it..

-BigGeek-

Good Post...





DIV

 

[RADAR]

I've ran 20 mgs for 20 wks with no problem as long as you have proper liver protectors and lots of water there should be no problems



RADAR

 

[biggeek]

Good Post...





DIV

Ha ha.. I'm honored DIV... i'm used to seeing you bashing people's posts on here.. lol.. must have said something good to get in your good graces..

Now be a cool man and hit me up with some of that K power.. ha ha..

 

[DIVISION]

Ha ha.. I'm honored DIV... i'm used to seeing you bashing people's posts on here.. lol.. must have said something good to get in your good graces..

Now be a cool man and hit me up with some of that K power.. ha ha..

I am a Bash Brother...........

K is granted.......




DIV

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

I am a Bash Brother...........

K is granted.......




DIV

Yes, he does say some nice things here and there...aside from the insane hatred from idiotic posts
DIV...what are your specs, height, weight, bfat?

 

[LVTitan]

Think of what happens when you take an oral it has to pass through your liver which breaks it down and through your kidneys. 10mgs is a small amount on the avergae for guys who have done more than 1 or 2 cycles, but even this small amount can affect your Liver Function Tests( LFT ).When you pass to much through the liver it causes a strain to its function, something you do not want to do. Some damage is ir-reversible. Now think of when you put two orals in at one time you are making the liver do double time. It is def worth passing on.

i dont believe that is true... if you are putting 60mg dbol thru your liver a day, you are putting 60mg of orals thru your liver. if you are putting 60mg of anavar thru your liver , same thing. now if you are putting 30mg/dbol and 30mg/anavar, you are still putting 60mg/day of orals thru your liver....no difference from what i can see....

 

[Mr. Burns]

I thought this as well^^^^ Each pill with have the toxic effect on the liver. What really is the difference of taking two orals at 15mgs a day versus 30mg's of one oral. Does the liver tell a difference between the pills or just the amounts? I believe that the amounts are the obvious culprit.

 

[biggeek]

I thought this as well^^^^ Each pill with have the toxic effect on the liver. What really is the difference of taking two orals at 15mgs a day versus 30mg's of one oral. Does the liver tell a difference between the pills or just the amounts? I believe that the amounts are the obvious culprit.

Read up a few posts.. I covered this topic in as much detail as I could without getting too medical and losing some people here.. but yes.. you are right in what your saying.. 1+1=2.. 15mg+15mg=30mg.. doesn't matter the substance.. or atleast it does not matter nearly as much.. there are OTC things that are more liver toxic than the oral steroids themselves.. but since the oral steroids are 17aa.. it makes them tops on the list of liver toxic drugs.. take off the 17aa.. and you've probably got the same amount of liver damage from it as taking a tylenol.. now that's speculation.. but you get my point..

 

[roidpuple]

so why do you think suck a dose it harmful to the liver?? is it the hepatotoxicity? are steroids different than say Acetaminophen (tylenol) ??
anavar doens not converty to estogen ... or so says (William Liewellyn)
so what is the big deal ... there is just a big fear of liver problem?

 

[biggeek]

so why do you think suck a dose it harmful to the liver?? is it the hepatotoxicity? are steroids different than say Acetaminophen (tylenol) ??
anavar doens not converty to estogen ... or so says (William Liewellyn)
so what is the big deal ... there is just a big fear of liver problem?

Well.. IMO.. anavar is a wonder drug.. many of the people here that will bash it either had bad stuff.. or their training and diet were off.. other than the possiblity of liver damage if your not smart and careful.. there are next to nil side effects associated with anavar and the gains made from it albeit slow are most of the time kept without continous cycles.. unlike using high doses of test.. anavar has been a wonder drug for me because not only have I slowly gotten stronger.. I have lost body fat.. gained LBM.. no gyno.. no acne.. (aside from my usual facial problems).. and my sex drive is perfectly fine.. now that i've given my praises to var.. such a dose of any oral steroid.. or any oral medication that is 17aa is what poses the problem to the liver.. some substances by themselves are slightly liver toxic if taken in high doses and long periods of time.. even tylenol if taken in high doses for long periods of time can pose problems to the liver even though it is not 17aa.. everybody's body is totally different.. some people can handle high doses of 17aa oral steroids whereas some can have permanent liver damage from going that high.. there is no telling.. just better to play it safe than sorry.. so yes.. the only real concern I see with var.. is the liver toxicity and future liver problems.. but with the right supps.. smart dosing.. and just being knowledable about what to look for when your actually having liver problems and having blood work done.. anavar is a near flawless steroid.. now.. everyone that disagress flame on.. and everyone that agrees send some K my way..