Workout Schedule for a Newbie Cycle

[GatorMAG]

Hey Fellas. Wondering if you could give me some advice with a workout schedule for my first cycle. I am going to be doing a 10wk cycle of EQ and TEST with anti-E's in case I need them. Along with Clomid for after the cycle. Here are my stats:

Age: 27
Weight: 175
Height: 5' 11"
Fat 14%

My goal is to make at least 190 lbs...but fairly lean mass. Is this a reasonable goal? I'm not sure if i should workout differently on a cycle than I normally have in the past without the gear. I workout one muscle group a day. (ie...Bi's one day, Tri's another day, chest another....etc) Or should I start working out twice a day (morning and evening) for 4 days and then take a 3-day break? Or 5 days on and 2 off? Normally research shows 24-48 hour rest between workouts on the same muscle group. Is recovery faster on the juice? On a couple side notes. I work abs everyday between sets and I do cardio 2-3 times a week for at least 20 min before my workout. Is that enough cardio?

I am setting aside time and some serious effort on my diet and this cycle. But I know there will be a couple times the guys will want to go out and drink. Anything I need to lookout for while drinking?

Once you start your very first cycle. Did you guys notice a difference in your motivation? Do you feel pumped all the time and want to just crush the weights? I know its different for everyone, but I just want to know your experiences.

Thanks

 

[GatorMAG]

On another note....Its 400MG EQ and 500MG TEST. Please do not give me advice on the gear I am using. I have had a ton of great advice and that is what I have decided on. Seems like everyone's opinions on that are different and no matter what someone chooses....someone is ready to slam on their decisons.

 

[Slyder190]

You're cycle looks solid. I'd kisck start with D-bol, but that's just me. Hope you got Clomid/Nolva, HCG and an anti-e. Now, that being said, I'd start off with Madcow's 5x5 routine. DFHT and DC Training are also possible routines you could look in to. On a side note, if you use 5x5 or DFHT, you'll have to spend a few weeks determining what weights you can work with before you actually start, and before you actually begin your cycle. Let us know what you go with.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

I'm going to give you advice on the AAS your using even though you know all there is to know.

You are WAY over doing it for your first cycle. You will not need the EQ to grow. It might help a little bit but I strongly suggest you think about just running 500mg test for 10-12 weeks. Also don't focus so much on the numbers (I want to get to xxx weight). Honestly no one really knows what a certain bodyweight is going to look like. 500mg test alone will pack tons of mass on you and give you a huge change in body composition.

If your having to ask questions about your workout regime I don't think you know enough about diet and training to begin AAS. I'd bet you can still make good gains without the AAS if you just adjusted your diet and training.

"Normally research shows 24-48 hour rest between workouts on the same muscle group."
I'd say in about 24-48 hours the muscle has finished breaking down and is starting to build back up. It is my theory that it needs more than 48 hours before it is ready to be trained again (using a split smiliar to yours)

Anyway, the 500mg test alone will get you to 190, no need to waste the money on EG in my opinion... but you asked me not to give it...

 

[Lupercal CATS]

You're cycle looks solid. I'd kisck start with D-bol, but that's just me. Hope you got Clomid/Nolva, HCG and an anti-e. Now, that being said, I'd start off with Madcow's 5x5 routine. DFHT and DC Training are also possible routines you could look in to. On a side note, if you use 5x5 or DFHT, you'll have to spend a few weeks determining what weights you can work with before you actually start, and before you actually begin your cycle. Let us know what you go with.

I think adding dbol to the test and eq is WAY overkill. Running 3 drugs for a first cycle is a little extreme.

 

[GatorMAG]

If your having to ask questions about your workout regime I don't think you know enough about diet and training to begin AAS. I'd bet you can still make good gains without the AAS if you just adjusted your diet and training.

Actually I know a lot about diet and training. I minored in Health in college along with spending countless hours in the gym. I was 115 Lbs soaking wet when I graduated high school. I managed to pack on 60 lbs since then and I have a small bone frame. I do feel that I have maxed out my current routine. Your prolly absolutely correct when you say I could make good gains if I put forth as much effort with my diet without the AAS. But so could we all.

I don't think I know it all when it comes to AAS cause I don't. In fact, I know hardly little about it. Thats why I am on here gaining as much knowledge I can before I step into a cycle. The only reason I asked people not to judge the AAS I was using was cause I didn't want that to be the focus of someone's reply on this topic. I don't know what to expect when working out while on the gear or what kind of effect it has mentally on someone.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

Actually I know a lot about diet and training. I minored in Health in college along with spending countless hours in the gym. I was 115 Lbs soaking wet when I graduated high school. I managed to pack on 60 lbs since then and I have a small bone frame. I do feel that I have maxed out my current routine. Your prolly absolutely correct when you say I could make good gains if I put forth as much effort with my diet without the AAS. But so could we all.

I don't think I know it all when it comes to AAS cause I don't. In fact, I know hardly little about it. Thats why I am on here gaining as much knowledge I can before I step into a cycle. The only reason I asked people not to judge the AAS I was using was cause I didn't want that to be the focus of someone's reply on this topic. I don't know what to expect when working out while on the gear or what kind of effect it has mentally on someone.

I started AAS at your same age, height, and nearly the same weight as you so I know what your going through. Maybe I misunderstood your question.

You shouldn't really need to change your diet to grow on AAS. You don't put on weight easily so I assume you are taking in as many calories as possible. If you decide to run the EQ (which I advice against and will explain why in a moment) your appitite will go up and it will be a lot easier for you to get plenty of calories. I do a split similar to yours so I'll post what I do:

Day 1: Chest/Calves
Day 2: Bicep/Forearm
Day 3: Legs
Day 4: Tricep/delt
Day 5: Back/trap
Day 6: Rest

This allows 2 days between when similar muscles are trained ex. chest has 2 days between tricep and delt. I have gotten real good results with this training split. If you want I will PM you with my tricep and bicep days, Radar was the one who helped me with that.

The reason for sticking to just test for a first cycle is you never know how you will react to a substance. I get NO sides from test, eq, deca, winny and dbol but put 400mg of tren in me and pimples and titties sprout up. If you run two different drugs and get sideeffects you won't know what is causing it. If you run test this time and then add the EQ next cycle and get gyno you'll know to drop the EQ.

I think you'll also be more than surprised with your gains off of just test. I wouldn't be surprised if with proper diet, training, and rest that you couldn't exceed your goal.

 

[wayneboard1]

Hey Fellas. Wondering if you could give me some advice with a workout schedule for my first cycle. I am going to be doing a 10wk cycle of EQ and TEST with anti-E's in case I need them. Along with Clomid for after the cycle. Here are my stats:

Age: 27
Weight: 175
Height: 5' 11"
Fat 14%

My goal is to make at least 190 lbs...but fairly lean mass. Is this a reasonable goal? I'm not sure if i should workout differently on a cycle than I normally have in the past without the gear. I workout one muscle group a day. (ie...Bi's one day, Tri's another day, chest another....etc) Or should I start working out twice a day (morning and evening) for 4 days and then take a 3-day break? Or 5 days on and 2 off? Normally research shows 24-48 hour rest between workouts on the same muscle group. Is recovery faster on the juice? On a couple side notes. I work abs everyday between sets and I do cardio 2-3 times a week for at least 20 min before my workout. Is that enough cardio?

I am setting aside time and some serious effort on my diet and this cycle. But I know there will be a couple times the guys will want to go out and drink. Anything I need to lookout for while drinking?

Once you start your very first cycle. Did you guys notice a difference in your motivation? Do you feel pumped all the time and want to just crush the weights? I know its different for everyone, but I just want to know your experiences.

Thanks

First off, don't drink on your cycle...PERIOD. Not a wise move at all considering the stress you are going to be putting your liver and kidneys thru, DON'T DRINK WHILE ON CYCLE. I REPEAT DON'T DRINK ON YOUR CYCLE.

Second, a test eq cycle for your first is ok. However you do realize that it takes on average 7-8 weeks for the EQ to kick in correct? Most guys will tell you that EQ needs to be run at LEAST 12 weeks, and a lot of guys including myself ran it for 15. You will be starting to feel the EQ and then be stopping your cycle 2 weeks after.

If you are looking to bulk up you will need to drop your cardio down to a moderate intensity maybe twice a week. I tried to burn the candle at both ends and lasted about 4 weeks and had to take a few days off to recoop. Your recovery will be what you first notice. You will go into the gym and blast your muscles and not get sore. You will want to make a post on here asking why you aren't sore and what are you doing wrong. Most likely nothing. Thats one of the major benefits of gear especially test, RECOVERY IS LIKE NO OTHER. I don't remember hardly any soreness my entire cycle and it was not like I wasn't blasting my body in the gym. I was taking in a gram of protein per lb of body weight (which is something you should also do) and eating right and getting a good amount of rest....which is my next point in this novel of a reply.

Rest. This is so important it's not even funny. You don't grow muscles when you lift, you grow them when you SLEEP. Provide your body with time to rest, repair and recoop and it will reward you with muscle.

If you want to bulk, test is best and the 5X5 is a GREAT WONDERFUL workout. I would not do a split and here is why. A lot of guys get gear and think they can go lift 50 lbs more in their first workout. It takes some time for test and especially EQ to kick in, EQ burns slow but when it burns it is hot. Doing a split is too much too fast. Pick a routine, do it for a while and then start gear. If you do too much to fast you will either overtrain or hurt yourself and both are not good.

Also, www.spotinjections.com will help you inject correctly.

Remember, eat right, DON'T DRINK, SLEEP, and lift hard and gear will reward you.

 

[GatorMAG]

Thanks wayneboardl & luperal_cats, this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. A lot of people have told me to drop the EQ for my first cycle, so majority rules, I will drop it. Possibly try it out at a later cycle. Im looking at this realistically, I have about 3 months I am setting aside that I am totally dedicating to this cycle. I am going to eat...sleep...and breath this stuff. Im psyched. The cycle won't start till January....after the holidays. I don't want any interruptions.

Any other useful information you think I might need. Please pass it along.

I read about Chlomid but let me see if I understand it correctly. Its used for a post cycle treatment to help maintain your gains correct?

Lets say this is the only cycle I do. If I maintain my normal workout schedule, will I keep the weight I put on?

 

[Slyder190]

I think adding dbol to the test and eq is WAY overkill. Running 3 drugs for a first cycle is a little extreme.

He'll grow off 500mg Test, for sure. But Test/D-bol/EQ isn't that much overkill for a first cycle. It's a healthy cycle, but not too extreme IMO. I did Deca/D-bol for my first cycle. If I could go back and change it, I'd add test.

 

[wayneboard1]

Thanks wayneboardl & luperal_cats, this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. A lot of people have told me to drop the EQ for my first cycle, so majority rules, I will drop it. Possibly try it out at a later cycle. Im looking at this realistically, I have about 3 months I am setting aside that I am totally dedicating to this cycle. I am going to eat...sleep...and breath this stuff. Im psyched. The cycle won't start till January....after the holidays. I don't want any interruptions.

Any other useful information you think I might need. Please pass it along.

I read about Chlomid but let me see if I understand it correctly. Its used for a post cycle treatment to help maintain your gains correct?

Lets say this is the only cycle I do. If I maintain my normal workout schedule, will I keep the weight I put on?

This won't be the only cycle you do. We all said the same thing. Yes clomid is used for PCT and while Ihave not used it, all that I hear makes me not want to use it. I would suggest Nolvadex (I use the liquid version called liquinolva) and am just finishing up a very good cycle and PCT. If you are able, youmight want to look into HCG and Nolva but HCG is a bonus, not a "must". It is your body though and I plan on using HCG and Nolva for all my pcts, it worked VERY well for me.

Keeping your gains is a never ending debate. It depends on if you are at your genetic limit or not, which you are not. Thats why PCT is so important to help you keep your gains along with diet and continued intensity in the gym thruout your PCT.

Glad to hear you are psyched and waiting until the holidays are over, thats smart. Between now and then, get that intensity in the gym up and keep it up as if you were already on your cycle. No gear doesn't mean low/no intensity. You have to look like this when you workout.

 

[Big_Joe]

I know there is a lot of controversy about this but I would suggest doing 500 iu of hcg every three to five days while on test. I didn't do that for the first few weeks of my cycle and I could tell my guys were "slip sliden away." I did a lot of research and found information from a guy that calls himself Dr. Swale. He sounded legit to me. He said that using a small amount of hcg every few days pervents testicular shrinkage. I started doing 500 iu every three days and I noticed a difference in my testicules.

Because injecting test shuts down your bodies production of test you really are only replacing your natural test and then adding more. If doing hcg while on cycle stimulates your own production of test you actually increase the amount that you have circulating in your body. More bang for your buck so to speak.

What I did was get some sterile 10ml vials, some bacterial static water and a 5000 iu vial of hcg. I then added two ml of the bacterial static water to the hcg vial and then put that into the 10 ml vial. I then added 8 ml of bacterial static water to the 10 ml vial. This gives me a solution that is 500 iu per mil. I do a subcutaneous injection every three to five days and my guys are happy campers now.

With that said I'm a lot older then you so your mileage may very.

As for the workout. Before I was on cycle I tried to do two-a-days. I over trained real fast. But on cycle I bang out two-a-day workouts all the time. The recovery is great. But my goals are different then your goals. I do a shit load of cardio and lift my ass off.

 

[GatorMAG]

OK great advice thanks. But your responses have created more questions. I am not familiar with HCG whatsoever. I can get 2000IU/amp in 1 amp bottles. I understand I have to mix it with distilled water. If I run just a 10 week cycle of TEST when and how much would I use the HCG? I forgot to mention that I will be using NOLV too. My source suggested using it the entire cycle but I have read from other people that it could hinder my gains. What does everyone think? When should I start the HCG and NOLV?

 

[sweed]

mix hcg with bacteriostatic water bro.. u can get it at getpinz.com i beleive..
i am doing 3 days on 1 day off on cycle now. dont have to use nolva throughout, only if u feel gyno sypmtoms. u could run hcg throughout 2 times a week, or do it like some the last 3 weeks of the cycle... some say it will suppress. and some run it the 1st 3 weeks of pct , m/w/f at 500-1000 ius.

 

[zips92]

gatormag, pretty good thread, just a few things to add......

I do not recommend posting a thread on an Anabolic Steroids Discusson Forum, indicating what you are cycling with, and then telling telling bros explicitly not to comment on your anabolic steroids decision.....capiche'?

If I interpreted correctly what you wrote, I am a little concerned that you noted that research shows that you should/can rest 24 hours between workouts on the SAME muscle group, I have never heard this before anywhere in person or on forum, and as wayneboard said, you grow when you rest and sleep, I would not advise this bro, and how could you do it anyway? Read what wayneboardl said in his first post, and then reread it, and remember it, good advice in that post bro!

Sounds like your goals are to put on about 15 lbs., I do not see the need to add dbol to your aforemetioned cycle for that purpose, it does seem a little overkill for your goals. Not saying anything wrong with adding the oral, just doesn't seem necessary to spend the money.

Also, don't drink and oral at the same time. This is a slightly controverisal topic on here, but just keep the alcohol out of your system, period. Doesn't it seem that's a little inconsistent with the bodybuilding lifestyle? Drink some sparkling grape juice instead or something similar, seriously. Do yourself this favor bro, even though a lot will say they can still grow on AAS while drinking.

If you are NOT DISCIPLINED ENOUGH to refrain from drinking alcoholic drinks, when there are thousands of beverage alternatives, how can you be disciplined enough to diet properly, take in enough calories and protein, aspirate, take liver detox, follow PCT protocol, workout with intensity, do bloodwork, get enough sleep and rest? Just a little venting..........

Interesting and good question about motivation while on AAS, I gotta believe the resounding answer is yes, even if it some of it is a placebo effect. Yes, you will want to kill the weights while juicing, and the AAS will definitely help with your recuperation, that's a huge benefit of using. While some AAS may help and hurt more than others - deca can help lube joints, and especially help older guys, winny can make joints more painful for others, anavar can really boost your strength - but all in all, when juicing, balls to the wall intensity.

Good luck to you bro, stick around, you will learn a lot on here. Be sure to keep us posted on your results!

 

[Ozz2001]

Ill keep this on the subject!

My opinion is if your going to do gear thats one thing...But to ask people how to workout is just plan dum and off the wall! If you dont event know how to workout,and need someone to give you a plan,you sure ass hell dont need to be doing gear! Simple math no one here can tell you how to workout or whats going to work for you period.The only real person that could know what works for you is yourself! Its clear that your havent been training enough or that your ready to do gear..See ppl think ill stick a needle in my ass and throw some weights around and ill get big,aint going to happen.If you have trained for any period of time you wouldnt need help..and to add your a drinker only proves my point that you wont get much this cycle..These guys were nice enough to try and help you,but its all a waste...6 months from now you will see my point..Id put your gear up dry out of the drinking stage,make me a routeing that i liked and see how your body takes to it..If you stick with it a few months and your seeing gains and your commited to it, then run your gear..I could feed you all kinds of good info but whats the use?

With out a good plan there is no victory... Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

 

[shamrock11]

Looks like you got some great advice bro. I see you said you have out aside three months to totally dedicate yourslef to this cycle but you'll need more then that. You are going to have to work just as hard off cycle to keep the gains you made while on cycle. If not they will be gone in a couple of months. I promise this is not the only cycle you will do.

 

[Lupercal CATS]

He'll grow off 500mg Test, for sure. But Test/D-bol/EQ isn't that much overkill for a first cycle. It's a healthy cycle, but not too extreme IMO. I did Deca/D-bol for my first cycle. If I could go back and change it, I'd add test.

I can just see him getting gyno or some other side effect and not know what's causing it. It's frustrating when a side pops up but even more so when you don't know whats causing it.

My first cycle was test, dbol, winny. The dbol and winny were run at seperate times so that I knew if I got a side effect where it was coming from.

I'm not saying that he should no way in hell run the EQ but I would recommend just saving the money and running test with maybe some dbol. If he can't get to 190 with test and dbol hes doing something wrong.

 

[GatorMAG]

My opinion is if your going to do gear thats one thing...But to ask people how to workout is just plan dum and off the wall! If you dont event know how to workout,and need someone to give you a plan,you sure ass hell dont need to be doing gear!

First I want to apologize if I insulted anyone by asking them not to critique the AAS I was taking. I will say this again. I laid out my cycle just to give everyone an idea of what I was taking and I wanted the FOCUS of this topic to be on the workout and the things I could expect. But don't tell me I don't know how to workout. You don't know me....Oz...its guys like you that I don't want posting a reply to my posts. You fill in the blanks with your own ideas. I know how to workout off the juice...I have done it for years and pretty successful with it. What I don't know....is how to workout ON THE GEAR...I didn't know what to expect...recovery...motivation...etc. I didn't know if I should workout a muscle group more frequently....etc.

Im not a "Drinker" as you so say I am. I am currently in Iraq serving a year tour. I havent had a drop of alcohol in almost a year. But I will be returning home, right before the holidays. So I can imagine my buddies wanting to take me out for a few. I plan on severely limiting that but I wanted to hear someone's opinion who has drank alcohol on a cycle. I wanted to know if it creates ill side-effects or makes you wig out on someone.

I wanted to say thanks to everyone replying to my thread with useful info. Again I was just asking what YOU GUYS have experienced. I know everyone is different. To ease some minds...and to use some usefull info, I decided to drop the EQ and just go with 500mg TEST, NOLV and HCG for PCT (or if gyno shows) and I am dropping Chlomid. I don't like the sounds of the side-effects with that.

 

[djsf]

OK great advice thanks. But your responses have created more questions. I am not familiar with HCG whatsoever. I can get 2000IU/amp in 1 amp bottles. I understand I have to mix it with distilled water. If I run just a 10 week cycle of TEST when and how much would I use the HCG? I forgot to mention that I will be using NOLV too. My source suggested using it the entire cycle but I have read from other people that it could hinder my gains. What does everyone think? When should I start the HCG and NOLV?

I'll throw in my 2 cents here...

Do NOT reconstitute HCG (or GH or anything else for that matter) with anything but BACTERIASTATIC WATER! Do not use tap water, distilled water or any other water! When you inject, you are bypassing the body's defense systems and potentially putting bateria directly into your bloodstream. Even a small amount of bacteria can get you sick in a hurry. That's why you should also NEVER TOUCH a needle you are about to use to inject yourself.

Note: When you mix HCG or GH, you will often mix an amount that will last several days. Example: you start with 5000 iu of dry HCG, but you are only taking 500 or 1000 iu every few days. So your syringe & pin, which MUST be kept refrigerated, will need to be stored for up to a couple weeks to finish the whole 5000 iu's. On the 2nd and subsequent injections, at a minimum sterilize the already-used pin with alcohol, or far better, replace it with a new pin. Pins are cheap and sterile cleanliness is foremost.

Another note: HCG (and GH) often come with a small vial of mixing water. It has been recommended to me NOT to use that water. That water is meant for single use (i.e. you would inject the whole contents in one shot) and does not keep well in the refrigerator for multi-use. It has been recommended to me to always reconstitute with bacteriastatic water. It is inexpensive and readily available from getpinz.com