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Wish someone could offer me proof of God's existance

Lestat said:
good post. but I still don't believe, been there, tried that.

Speaking of healing people, i heard a story that was pretty amazing the other day.. this dude had a bad heart, and this other guy actually REMOVED the heart, took a heart out of someone who had died, and put it in the sick guy's chest and he was fine!!

I wouldn't go so far as to call him god though, but he was pretty damn smart and talented.
so you gave up? why? giving up or saying been there done that is giving up! Also did the guy you heard about cut through the sternum to get the heart out or did he just touch him and his problems were relieved? big difference
 
curling said:
Well then he is in a quandry now isn't he?

Wrong.

You are the one in the guandry.

You made the assertion, you back it up. I will just take the logical stance and refuse these silly ideas.

I like how you have to "truly search" for god in order to find him too. Chances are if you reached that destination it was by faulty reasoning.


And as an added bonus: If I'm wrong - the music is way better in hell anyway. (nice spin on Pascal's wager)
 
DBBT said:
well if walking on water, bringin dead people alive, blind to see, ill to healed or any of the thousands of miracles he performed in front of hundreds of thousands of people aren't enough then I guess he's just a gifted man.

And for whoever said stories change as time goes on....hmmm, so in 2000 years will people possibly be saying that there never was an Atomic Bomb dropped.....Or how about saying 1776 was just a normal year no biggie..we have no video of that but we know its true because you should have learned it in school. Forget then that Jesus was crucified because that was made up and no one has ever been crucified that long ago because we don't have an mpeg of it...AND lets just pretend that Jesus rose from the dead and walked into a room full of people who had SEEN him crucified only to show them his wounds and his life-like body.

As much as people HATE not having an mpeg of Jesus' resurrection, they will only know the truth when their time comes. It's VERY easy to not be a believer, so go ahead, take the easy way out people.
-Peace
Just a point here. Many of the stories of today are being recorded on durable media, as it happens.
The story of Yahweh, was recorded on poor quality media, years, decades/or centuries after it actually happened. & translated from language to language by overworked, tired junior clerks in monasteries
 
There is no "proof". God is a belief, you either do or do not believe. It must be within you and your heart, mind and soul. If you do not believe you have a soul then he cannot exist. About the only "proof" you will find are the miricles of the old Testament, and those of the new. Some force made things happen, and the belief is God made these things happen.

don't believe? want to test HIM? you will not find an answer.
 
ALL RELIGIONS are ONE

The Voice of one crying in the Wilderness

The Argument As the true method of knowledge is experiment
the true faculty of knowing must be the faculty which
experiences. This faculty I treat of.

PRINCIPLE 1st That the Poetic Genius is the true Man. and that
the body or outward form of Man is derived from the Poetic
Genius. Likewise that the forms of all things are derived from
their Genius. which by the Ancients was call'd an Angel & Spirit
& Demon.

PRINCIPLE 2d As all men are alike in outward form, So (and
with the same infinite variety) all are alike in the Poetic
Genius

PRINCIPLE 3d No man can think write or speak from his heart,
but he must intend truth. Thus all sects of Philosophy are from
the Poetic Genius adapted to the weaknesses of every
individual

PRINCIPLE 4. As none by traveling over known lands can find out
the unknown. So from already acquired knowledge Man could not
acquire more. therefore an universal Poetic Genius exists

PRINCIPLE. 5. The Religions of all Nations are derived from
each Nations different reception of the Poetic Genius which is
every where call'd the Spirit of Prophecy.

PRINCIPLE 6 The Jewish & Christian Testaments are An original
derivation from the Poetic Genius. this is necessary from the
confined nature of bodily sensation

- 1 -

PRINCIPLE 7th As all men are alike (tho' infinitely various) So
all Religions & as all similars have one source
The true Man is the source he being the Poetic Genius
 
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