Wish someone could offer me proof of God's existance

[javaguru]

I heard a story today that made my eyes water. Sam is retired from the Air Force and from Yellow Freight. He is 72 years old. Every morning he takes his grandson to the school where I work. He waits in his car for 6 hours until his grandson is out of school. He gets out, walks around and talks my ears off sometimes. Anyone would be lucky to have a granddad like Sam.
Today, Sam was telling me how he met his wife of 52 years and how much he still loves her. Shit made my eyes water. He was on leave from the Air Force during the time of the Korean War, he was visiting his gf in Paris, Texas. Sam knew this wasn't gonna be the girl he married, so he decided to leave early. Sam prayed out loud to God to find him a wife. As he got on the Greyhound Bus to go back home to Mobile, Alabama, he laid eyes on one of the prettiest girls he'd ever seen. She lived in Dallas. Sam persuaded her to let him sit down beside her (he's a very persuasive man). During the bus ride, he got her address after pestering her long enough. She had prayed the same thing that he did that day before she got on that bus. He wrote her letters from Puerto Rico for 6 months and then surprised her by coming home early and not telling her. They were married 2 weeks later. Well, I don't know if that had anything to do with God, but it's a damn good and happy story.

So, if Sam and his future wife hadn't taken action do you think they would be together? Let me pray tonight for the woman I should spend my life with...since I'm staying in I'm assuming it won't be fulfilled. he knew he wasn't into the chick he was dating and was looking for something better...luckily he found it....no divine intervention..just random chance and desire...

 

[biteme]

So, if Sam and his future wife hadn't taken action do you think they would be together? Let me pray tonight for the woman I should spend my life with...since I'm staying in I'm assuming it won't be fulfilled. he knew he wasn't into the chick he was dating and was looking for something better...luckily he found it....no divine intervention..just random chance and desire...

Maybe and maybe not. I'm not arrogant enough to assume I know. Sam has had a remarkable life, he's told me many stories. He is a man of faith. I can't be like that. I've tried. My rationale won't let me. But, doesn't mean I'm right and he's wrong.

 

[Prince K]

believing that god has some sort of control over what we do or what happens in our world. doesn't make sense. if he can pop in and out of the world doing what he pleases to make things happen.. why doesn't he stop all the wars, and hate in the world????
and don't give me that shit about how god works in mysterious ways

wars, and hate are done through the free will of man. WE choose to go to war and hate.

 

[wakefib]

wars, and hate are done through the free will of man. WE choose to go to war and hate.

exactly, god can't change what we choose to do. if he did change things in the world then we don't have free will

 

[saint808]

I am actually kind of glad this didn't end up a hate thread. I like actual debate and find people's opinions to be very differed and I actually like to try and see things through others point of views. I realize faith is exactly what it is... faith... nothing more and nothing less. I just wondered if anyone had actual proof. Like scientific facts and such. Is there a mathematical proof of the existance of God?

 

[Lestat]

If there is a supreme being that cares and wants us to know him. "it" wouldn't have made it so hard to understand, I mean, seriously now. You are going to take the time to send your only son, who is in fact, part of you, and let him get tortured and killed.. you will make sure that the vast majority of all people who lived and died on this earth would know about it for a fact.

 

[cyrex]

If there is a supreme being that cares and wants us to know him. "it" wouldn't have made it so hard to understand, I mean, seriously now. You are going to take the time to send your only son, who is in fact, part of you, and let him get tortured and killed.. you will make sure that the vast majority of all people who lived and died on this earth would know about it for a fact.

I think it's pointless to assume what any supreme being would or wouldn't do... it's pointless because it is obviously SUPREME and thus whatever it does do IS the SUPREME way of doing shit...

as far as your comment on jesus...
assume for this discussion God does exist in every way the whole of the Christian religion believes and did send Jesus as a way to 'save the world'. If this were the case, I think it worked pretty damn well cause the whole situation caused such a ruckus that Christianity is what it is today . . .


Do i believe in God? (no i don't believe nor do I disbelieve I can argue equally on both sides and struggle with this myself every day)
Do i believe there was a dude named Jesus that lived around 2k years ago? (absolutely. Even the most outrageous old wives tails started from something that actually happened.)


BTW a great read:

Finding Darwin's God

great scientific explanation on creation discussing religion and evolution. Both sides very well, but i'd say it favors the non-religious POV more.. ALTHOUGH the auther does say that he does believe in God and his reasons are not logically explained so there is some discredit there..

anyways for anyone interested in religion and these types of debates, or those in a similar situation as myself who has some internal debate going on constantly, it's a must read.

 

[Lestat]

i had the internal debate, and its over.

not pointless to assume what god would do, we've got the whole bible to read and learn from experience with right?


Christianity is huge, but the number of people who have never heard the gospel dwarfs those that have.

 

[spongebob]

im starting to think if there was truely a god HE WOULD NOT allow such pointless endless mindless bantering to continue in this thread.

post after post after post, please shut up already about it. someone please shitcan this thread. read some of this shit.

"if god created the earth then he would allow all peoples to wtf"

"but gods will is wtf"

"you can not prove god created man wtf"

"i have spoken with god wtf"



alright im done, continue i guess.

 

[spongebob]

i had the internal debate, and its over.

not pointless to assume what god would do, we've got the whole bible to read and learn from experience with right?


Christianity is huge, but the number of people who have never heard the gospel dwarfs those that have.

if youve read the whole bible then why are you posting this, doesnt the bible answer everything in your post?

If there is a supreme being that cares and wants us to know him. "it" wouldn't have made it so hard to understand, I mean, seriously now. You are going to take the time to send your only son, who is in fact, part of you, and let him get tortured and killed.. you will make sure that the vast majority of all people who lived and died on this earth would know about it for a fact..

im sorry but all this shit is like silly speak to me.